The Abu Ghraib Scandal: Who’s Shame is it?

Those who have seen the beheading video, they are willing to swear over their mother`s graves that beheading was staged. Could someone point me to a link where I could see it myself?

try kaaza P2P software or www.ogrish.com

more on beheading:

Beheading of Berg – now it`s a conspiracy
Tony Allen-Mills and Nick Fielding
Times of London
May 23, 2004


FOR most people the videotaped execution of Nicholas Berg was a graphic reminder of the risks involved in waging war on a violent terrorist enemy. For others, however, it was evidence of a conspiracy.

Take, for example, the suspiciously white ear that appears shortly after frame 9,306 of the beheading video. It appears to belong to a captor wearing an American cap.

Quite why an Islamic terrorist would be wearing an emblem of the enemy has yet to be explained. This is one of at least 50 anomalies now being pored over by video experts, computer analysts and internet surfers.

The arrest last week of four Iraqis suspected of involvement in the revenge killing of the 26-year-old civilian adventurer has added to the confusion, fuelling doubts about official accounts of Berg’s visit to Iraq.

Moreover, it has refocused attention on the bizarre sequence of coincidences and contradictions that led to his death. His past links to an Al-Qaeda terrorist have raised questions in some quarters as to whether he might even have been working for the intelligence services.

Wandering across Iraq in search of business for Prometheus Methods, his fledgling Pennsylvania-based communications company, Berg would introduce himself in halting Arabic as “the tower guy”. He specialised in climbing radio and mobile phone installations to inspect, repair and upgrade them.

There was nothing in the young American’s e-mails home to indicate any sinister connections. He even laughed off a 13-day spell in jail after Iraqi guards spotted an Israeli stamp in his passport — a serious faux pas in the Arab world.

Six weeks ago he checked out of his Baghdad hotel and told the receptionist: “Inshallah (God willing) I will be back in a few days.” His body was found on May 8 on a Baghdad motorway overpass, but it was not until three days later that his family learnt how he died.

The video posted on the Muntada al-Ansar site claimed that Berg had been killed in revenge for the US abuse of prisoners at Baghdad’s Abu Ghraib jail. The CIA later announced that it believed the man who read a statement and then wielded the knife was Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian Islamic militant with ties to Osama Bin Laden.

As America recoiled in horror at descriptions of the blood-curdling murder, Berg’s family disclosed a curious connection. Five years earlier, Berg had attended the University of Oklahoma. At a nearby flight school at the same time, an Islamic militant named Zacarias Moussaoui was taking pilot lessons. Moussaoui, a French Moroccan, is awaiting trial on charges that he would have been one of the September 11 hijackers had he not been arrested beforehand.

When the FBI began examining Moussaoui’s local links it made an extraordinary discovery. He had been using Berg’s university e-mail password.

Michael Berg, Nicholas’s father, has said his son innocently gave his password to a man he met on a bus. The man is believed to have been Hussein al-Attas, a student at an Oklahoma community college who had become friendly with Moussaoui and who asked if he could borrow Berg’s laptop computer to send an e-mail home. Al-Attas is now in US detention.

When Berg was arrested at a roadblock in Mosul, northern Iraq, last March, his Moussaoui connection provoked further scrutiny of the password incident. He was interrogated three times by FBI agents in Mosul.

Eventually he was released, and a Justice Department official insisted last week that however unsettling it seemed that a civilian randomly executed by Al-Qaeda should himself have been investigated for Al-Qaeda links, officials had no doubt it was “a total coincidence”.

The plot seemed to thicken when Michael Berg’s grief at his son’s murder turned to rage against the US administration. Berg claimed that his son’s detention in Mosul had been unlawful, and had “immersed my son in a world of escalated violence . . . were it not for his detention (I) would have had him in my arms again”.

This improbable sequence of events provoked intensive scrutiny of both the US government’s treatment of Berg and the video that shows his death. While some of the anomalies appear easily explained by the obvious editing of the tape, others have excited intense debate.

The CIA’s insistence that al-Zarqawi was responsible appears based on the scantiest of evidence. Al-Zarqawi is known to have lost one leg, yet there is no sign on the video of either a prosthesis or any awkward movement. Sound experts have speculated that the voice might have been dubbed on.

Other questions have been raised about the orange jumpsuit worn by Berg, which appears similar to those worn by prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. He is sitting on a white chair, similar to one shown in an image from Abu Ghraib prison. There are discrepancies in the times on the video frames.

No credible motive has yet been advanced for the suggestion among conspiracy theorists that US forces might have faked a video to cover up Berg’s death. More problematic is the government’s claim that al-Zarqawi was responsible.

Two of the four Iraqis arrested in connection with Berg’s murder have already been released. The others are believed to be former members of Saddam Hussein’s Fedayeen militia, and might have been loyal to Yasser al-Sabawi, a nephew of Saddam who continues to fight coalition forces.

and the Americans Wonder....and perplexed ....why are they.....hated the

world over...


Wait till this shock of their attorocites is Over...

Radio Quran has been broadcasting that Mr. Berg cut off his own head and then lifted it above his body in order to defame the pure, innocent, and totally victimized Muslims. The broadcasters are willing to support their stand by swearing over Mohammad`s mother`s grave. Yesterday, some callers to Radio Quran also swore that they saw Mohammad`s mother lurking in the background behind Mr. Berg before he defamed Muslims by beheading himself. This organized, and state-sponsored atrocity by non Muslims against Muslims was seen as the sure sign of Muslims` imminent victory over their Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Jain, Sikh, Buddhist, Animist, and Pagan oppressors.

More Images Emerge in Prison Torture Scandal
New details in the prison torture scandal in Iraq have emerged as the Washington Post has obtained hundreds of more photos of abuse as well as sworn statements by detainees at Abu Ghraib describing the torture. One photo showed a naked prisoner who appears to be covered in excrement being paraded down a hallway. Another shows a U.S. soldier beating detainees sprawled on the floor. A video shows a prisoner slamming his head repeatedly into a metal door, that he is shackled to, until he collapses. In sworn testimony, prisoners have reported they were force-fed pork and alcohol against their Muslim religion. One detainee said a soldier asked him if he believed in anything. The prisoner said ``I said to him, `I believe in Allah.` So he said, `But I believe in torture and I will torture you.``` Then the soldier hit the detained man who had a broken leg and ordered him to curse Islam. The prisoner said ``Because they started to hit my broken leg, I curse my religion. They ordered me to thank Jesus I`m alive.``

www.democracynow.org

not only the higher ups but the whole country has to be made accountable. i know one thing which the world has experienced is that the cruels..have been crushed. for e.g. the russians.
i have seen videos how they have cut the throats of innocent people..and p.o.w. by knives and that was totally sickening.

and what do u think..americans by nature are cooperative and soft hearted..i think abu ghraib has itself answered this. wat is a soldier a civilian in other sense in the army ranks who takes orders and works.

mind u..as u said..democracy is choosing the president according to the will of the people. americans chose bush to rule america..if logically and arithmetically seen what ever bush does is the will of the americans...and what ever the military does is what bush and rumsfeld want.
i guess by now americans would start hating arithmetic and mathematics. anyways it is in their genes to hate anything which has emancipated from muslims.

Urstruly:

http://209.0.144.17/ogrish-dot-com-american-nick-berg-beheaded-in-iraq.wmv


MALYCK put this up for u on Unplugged.

Where is the moral outrage on the beheading|? Oh sorry, Jews do not count AS VICTIMS!! How could I make such a mistake....besides the Zionists did it.

stuka #9: ``Where is the moral outrage on the beheading``

There will not be too much moral outrage on the beheading in the Muslim world. And any moral outrage that does occur, will be in the way the individual was killed, not the fact that the individual was killed. Most individuals will see the killing itself (though not the manner) as a legitimate act against the members of an occupying force.

The reason is simple. People are looking at it in the context of the overall scenario, and the number of Iraqis killed, i.e. USA has invaded a country and occupied it and is daily killing its citizens, left and right. Each day, tens of Iraqis are killed by US soldiers. The total number is between 10 and 15 thousand now, according to Iraqbodycount, i.e. approximately one thousand per month, through the war. Just yesterday, US soldiers killed civilians, including toddlers at a wedding party, and refused to even acknowledge it.

People thus, now view all killings of Americans, within the context of the people the USA is killing, and the lack of moral outrage in the USA over those killings. How many people in the USA bothered about the tens of thousands of individuals killed in Iraq? How many feel sorry for them? Hardly any. Most were on the forefront of encoruaging the killings of Iraqis. The only outrage seen, amongst Americans, throughout this war was at the pictures. Because there was absolutely no way the pictures could be spun. While the invasion itself and the killings of Iraqis (an event much more damaging for Iraqi families than the prison abuse, since the prisoners are at least alive) can be justified through a minimum amount of spinning.

Moral outrage, under such scenarios, becomes a relative term and a victim of the context in which actions occur. This is unfortunate. This is what wars do to people. And such killings only furthur such coldness.

Compare this to when Daniel Pearl was killed in Pakistan. There was nation-wide moral outrage. The whole country was turned upside down to find him. More so than ever done for even a Pakistani victim. His wife is all praise for the Pakistanis she met, in her book. The reason was simple. The USA had not invaded Pakistan, and was not killing Pakistanis. Hence Daniel Pearl`s killing was seen in a different context.

The problem with moral outrages is that people only want moral outrages when their own are killed. They don`t worry about moral outrages when they are killing. This is how the individuals who kill others justify their killings.......This is why the individuals who have benefitted the most from the Iraq war is the neo-con US govt. and Al-Qaeda.

If you ask me, the individuals who killed Mr. Berg should be tried for terrorism. And George Bush and the US govt. should be tried for state terrorism also. Until both of the events happen, I doubt you will see too much moral outrage from any side.

P.S. would it be correct to assume you are morally outraged about the US invading a country, and killing tens of thousands of individuals. If you aren`t, then I am afraid you lose the moral highground for demanding moral outrage from others........

Its insulting that our grief be demanded for Daniel Berg. People who play switch and bait games ought remember that most of us grieve for everyone wounded, raped, tortured and murdered in this fiasco called Operation Bullshite.

The topic here is Abu Gharaib. Stick to it.

general romair..you are promoted to the rank of field marshal...for the first time you made sense to me...hallelujah...there is hope for you yet...;)

Shame is such a hard word..how do you tell someone to be ashamed? It`s like telling the Emperor he has no clothes.

`` As a Pakistani-American, it is especially difficult to watch this war between “good” and “evil.” On the one hand, our government bombs countries and encroaches on the civil rights of people in the name of “national security” (many of the men carried off to Guantanamo Bay after 11 September without any charges were of Pakistani). On the other hand, religious fundamentalists commit atrocities in the name of Islam. Each side calls its adversary “evil.”"

How many Pakistanis living in America were sent to Guantanamo ? Most of the Pakistanis in Guantanamo were caught in Afghanistan. I wonder which cave you were crawling under when Taliban was busy sending Afghanistan to the stone ages.

`` As an immigrant to the United States, when criticizing my government, I have heard the arguments: “if you don’t like America then go back to your own country,” and “how can you criticize America when there is so much wrong in your native Pakistan?” To them I say that I am a citizen of the United States, I am an American and I value the freedom this country has afforded me. As such it is my duty to speak up when my government commits unjust acts of aggression. ``

I am glad you feel that way !!!

``People who play switch and bait games ought remember that most of us grieve for everyone wounded, raped, tortured and murdered in this fiasco called Operation Bullshite.``

Except the victims of class pogroms, Cultural Revolution, Siberian Death Camps etc.


``The topic here is Abu Gharaib. Stick to it``

Yup, the topics on Chowk seem to be rather convenient don`t they??

Romair:

I by and large agree with the context of your post.

I am outraged about two things:

1. The mode of killing. It is different from a shot to the head. All these idiots do is make themselves look barabaric. In the context of number killed, I see your point.

2. The wanton and deliberate nature of the act. I agree that comparing one individual to the thousands of civillians killed is grotesque. But the fact remains that the civillians killed in Iraq are not targetted in a deliberate and wanton manner, they are casualties in the course of war. If American civillians are killed in an attack on Troops or a supply depot, there will be NO moral outrage. It is a natural consequence of war.

If the US was to retaliate in the same measure, then with the firepower at its disposal, the life of every Iraqi would be at risk.

To put things in perspective, imagine the beheading and videotaping of a Hindu by the Hizbul Mujahideen in Kashmir. Now imagine what the reaction of Indian Army and BSF troops would be.