Living in Fear

I certainly hope that justice will be done...

what lies at the heart of this entire saga is a mind who somehow taught other minds to function no longer. brainwashing we call it. it`s a chain thing and serves the purpose of a few who may or may not have much to do with religion or god for that matter. and if all this has anything to do with it, it`ll be very sad in the end though it is sad enough now.
god is not blind dear bat, justice will be done. have faith in him.

skept:
sorry for misunderstanding that statement...what you really meant is my point exactly. These people have taken religion to extremes and gone crazy with their self-avowed jehad of sorts. Where we differ I suppose is that I feel there is a huge difference between my best friend whose a sunni and any member of Sipahe Sahaba who also happens to be sunni. For you, the latter is not essentially ``sunni`` because he is defying what sunnism is. Once, again that is what our prime minister said ; ``these murderers cannot be muslims because muslims arent supposed to kill``...and yet i feel religion lies at the heart of this entire saga..the reason they kill is faith
guess we all have our opinions

gee, same post 3 times, sorry abt that.

gee, what i meant was, the people targetting shias for their being shia have to be mentally retarded NOT THE SHIAS themselves.

who is a moderate sunni. how do you differentiate a moderate sunni from an extreme sunni. one who kills and one who doesn`t kill? you are confusing concept with reality. whatever these so-called jihadis call themselves , they can`t be sunnis just cos` they apparently call themselves so or pray 5 times things like that. you have to be guided accordingly in a certain discipline and if that discipline fails to guide you , that`s your test.
i don`t like to tread over people`s belief systems unless they compel me. and yeah, i`m not a sunni however i`m from an orthodox sunni family. now i don`t know what you understand by orthodoxy. but for me their orthodoxy is simply their particularity in keeping up with the codes of behaviour, obligations etc. and they`re not bad people believe me, however orthodox they may appear. anyway, however sad it may seem, i personally feel there is a need to separate the sunni branded militant organizations from the average sunni who just goes to the mosque, offers his prayers, fasts when he`s supposed do, goes to work, bears and brings up his kids and simply seeks a peaceful life. i`m very sure the concern of the average pakistani sunni is to earn his bread and peace and nothing much more.

who is a moderate sunni. how do you differentiate a moderate sunni from an extreme sunni. one who kills and one who doesn`t kill? you are confusing concept with reality. whatever these so-called jihadis call themselves , they can`t be sunnis just cos` they apparently call themselves so or pray 5 times things like that. you have to be guided accordingly in a certain discipline and if that discipline fails to guide you , that`s your test.
i don`t like to tread over people`s belief systems unless they compel me. and yeah, i`m not a sunni however i`m from an orthodox sunni family. now i don`t know what you understand by orthodoxy. but for me their orthodoxy is simply their particularity in keeping up with the codes of behaviour, obligations etc. and they`re not bad people believe me, however orthodox they may appear. anyway, however sad it may seem, i personally feel there is a need to separate the sunni branded militant organizations from the average sunni who just goes to the mosque, offers his prayers, fasts when he`s supposed do, goes to work, bears and brings up his kids and simply seeks a peaceful life. i`m very sure the concern of the average pakistani sunni is to earn his bread and peace and nothing much more.

who is a moderate sunni. how do you differentiate a moderate sunni from an extreme sunni. one who kills and one who doesn`t kill? you are confusing concept with reality. whatever these so-called jihadis call themselves , they can`t be sunnis just cos` they apparently call themselves so or pray 5 times things like that. you have to be guided accordingly in a certain discipline and if that discipline fails to guide you , that`s your test.
i don`t like to tread over people`s belief systems unless they compel me. and yeah, i`m not a sunni however i`m from an orthodox sunni family. now i don`t know what you understand by orthodoxy. but for me their orthodoxy is simply their particularity in keeping up with the codes of behaviour, obligations etc. and they`re not bad people believe me, however orthodox they may appear. anyway, however sad it may seem, i personally feel there is a need to separate the sunni branded militant organizations from the average sunni who just goes to the mosque, offers his prayers, fasts when he`s supposed do, goes to work, bears and brings up his kids and simply seeks a peaceful life. i`m very sure the concern of the average pakistani sunni is to earn his bread and peace and nothing much more.

skept:
``why would anyone want to annihilate shias particularly other than someone who`s mentally retarded? `` well i guess if the mentally retarded arent shia, then they can live! or no, since the mentally retarded shias have no way of ``uplifting`` their community, perhaps they can live as well

But religion has EVERYTHING to do with it...when you say maybe Sunnism has nothing to do with it, I guess youre unaware of the likes of Sipah Sahaba, LashkareJhangvi and their sister organizations that are essentially Wahabbi Sunni organizations. Once again, I dont think people like you or moderate Sunnis should be lumped up with these bigots, but to deny the fact that these killers are killing in the name of religion is hypocritical dont you think? These organizations have actually accepted their role in the killing of shias, moreover the people arrested last week for shia killings in Karachi also belonged to these ``banned`` outfits.
This has not happened overnight. This goes back to Zia`s time and the state has much to do with it. But when people like Jamali say ``these killers arent muslims`` something youre echoing, its just sad..

``Faithism``...i dont know..i dont think you can give academic names to these things. This is wrong and its prosecution, and its killing. yes it is very much like racism and yet so much more..

hmm. it`s natural eruption . many of my shia friends can`t help saying all these things. it`s the obvious picture but perhaps not the only one. maybe the so-called faith-bearers have nothing to do with sunnis or sunnism at all. and then, why would anyone want to annihilate shias particularly other than someone who`s mentally retarded? pretty much like racism isn`t it? faithism? if it has anything to do with it of course. i doubt this is the case. most people have a tendency to come up with such theories if their community is being attacked more often but theories offer no real explanation. relying on conjectures simply can lead to other worse situations.

hellbound

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it takes some time getting used to the likes of shri veeresh ji by the way :)

now, what is the difference between a sunni ans a shia ?

.............. as foud ajami once said: ``shias are suicidal, while the sunnis are homicidal``

................so let`s stop quibbling about minor details ..................

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[ E.g, praying with hands folded instead of the Shia way of keeping hands aside during namaz.]
...obviously you havent seen maalki and shaafai sunnis...they dont fold hands either...

#12 by mumbaikar

In reference to Fareed Zakaria`s article in Newsweek where he states:

``Saudi Arabia is, as always, the extreme, where Shiites who want to get ahead have been known to become Sunnis. The repression in Saddam`s Iraq was also atypical.``

The Shias don`t exactly become Sunnis. Under such circumstances, they practise what is known as `Taqayyah`. A Shia belief, or ritual where a Shia is allowed to act in contrast to religious set of laws in case a situation poses major threat to him/her or causes fights and violence in the name of religion. E.g, praying with hands folded instead of the Shia way of keeping hands aside during namaz. If Shias would turn into Sunnis to `get ahead`, the majority population of Iraq today would not consist of Shias.

``In many Muslim countries there are almost no Shiites. And where they exist in small minorities, relations are fine—as long as the Shia don`t protest their secondary place.``

Shias have never protested their secondary existence in Karachi! How come the terms b/w the two sects are still messed up, even if not on a day-to-day basis? Is Zakaria blaming Shias for the violence?

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