Role of Pakistan Army Under Musharraf Just Stinks
Shaheen Sehbai June 13, 2004
#237 Posted by sadna on July 2, 2004 9:23:55 am
omar_r_quraishi #236
````An Austrialian newspaper is less credible than the Dawn?`` -- yes shri sadna jee but in your scheme of things to even consiider that would seem sacrilegious -- it depends on the context -- i think the hindu or the times of india would be more credible than say the new york times or the australian on something to do with india -- dont see why its a problem shrimati jee -- but i wouldnt expect an indian paki hater like u to get this logic then would i``
``i think like i said u dont understand things when they are explained to you sadna -- u quoted an australian interview in which he said that that lashkar wasnt banned and i said that it was -- its my word against what he said in the interview and officially it is banned -- i also dont remember saying anywhere that he was saying the truth there.``
Priceless. Pakistani media in a nutshell. In other words, `` all other sources of information are worthless. Irrespective of whether they are true or not, any one who does not believe my assertions to be the whole truth is either stupid or a hateful Paki-basher``.
Thanks for an informative exchange omarjee.
````An Austrialian newspaper is less credible than the Dawn?`` -- yes shri sadna jee but in your scheme of things to even consiider that would seem sacrilegious -- it depends on the context -- i think the hindu or the times of india would be more credible than say the new york times or the australian on something to do with india -- dont see why its a problem shrimati jee -- but i wouldnt expect an indian paki hater like u to get this logic then would i``
``i think like i said u dont understand things when they are explained to you sadna -- u quoted an australian interview in which he said that that lashkar wasnt banned and i said that it was -- its my word against what he said in the interview and officially it is banned -- i also dont remember saying anywhere that he was saying the truth there.``
Priceless. Pakistani media in a nutshell. In other words, `` all other sources of information are worthless. Irrespective of whether they are true or not, any one who does not believe my assertions to be the whole truth is either stupid or a hateful Paki-basher``.
Thanks for an informative exchange omarjee.
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#236 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on July 2, 2004 1:47:08 am
dear harish jee aka moron jee -- ever heard of freedom of expression and the freedom to speak one`s opinion (probably an alien concept to a moron like you harish jee) -- the fact that a newspaper allows its columnist to write this shows that it allows for some freedom of opinion --
nb: ``And I was not making fun of your Hindi-I assume you`ve never learnt it,
hahaha there you go assuming -- the indians i met in college often told me that except for the sanskritized words (a more recent phenomenon in usage) the grammar is the same -- are you telling me that the hindi they speak in indian movies is some other language because any one in pakistan can understand it
as for bothering to learn (i assume you mean to read devnagiri) nb there is no need for that in pakistan but whether i ever tried or not i dont think i am obliged to `tell` on chowk --
nikki: ``#232 by nikki7777 on July 1, 2004 5:39pm PT
#228..MULLAH O...the reason i keep making an ``ass` of myself as you so delicately put it is `cause of YOU...you keep making an `ass` of yerself day in and day out on this site , so i`ve dedicated myself to do the same....till both our `asses` collide and explode under a pile of shit..``
there you go again dude .....
sadna: ``omarjee, be honest and logical for ONCE. Admit that not ONE of websites in #214 is anti-Pakistani and they all corroborate the contents of the website you are objecting to. `` -- hahaha i just told you i think twice already why
shri arjun jee the question was about the mnna status by nato -- answer that pundit jee
sadna: ``An Austrialian newspaper is less credible than the Dawn?`` -- yes shri sadna jee but in your scheme of things to even consiider that would seem sacrilegious -- it depends on the context -- i think the hindu or the times of india would be more credible than say the new york times or the australian on something to do with india -- dont see why its a problem shrimati jee -- but i wouldnt expect an indian paki hater like u to get this logic then would i
nb: ``The reason I talked about Pakistani men all thinking about how perfect they are, is that many of them really do seem quite narcissistic. You`re narcissistic in other ways, so I apologise for thinking it would apply to your physical appearance as well. I`m not the only one who generalises, btw. Every time you call me a Paki basher, I think of myself as a skinhead who beats up little old Punjabi ladies in Bradford.`` -- hahaha -- well try not to generalize and i do yes but i make it a point to refer to only those who interact on chowk -- and by the one doesnt have to be white to be a paki basher -- and paki or whatever bashing for me obviously does not have physical connotations since i am talking about it happening on a website -- trust me nb im less narcissistic than some of your worthy compatriots here most of whom have egos larger than india itself
nb again: ``Every country has problems. None of us pretends that India is perfect. But you refuse to look objectively at anything which suggests Pakistan is imperfect, no matter the source.`` -- i can only laugh at this nb -- in my line of work most of my writings and articles (including those on chowk) have been very critical of things and institutions pakistani -- as for looking objectively, actually i do look at it objectively which is why i can differentiate between the intention of someone like ayaz amir and someone like arjun m or harish of hyderabad aka moronjee -- and by the way i think a lot of your compatriots, esp juvenile morons like nikki et al do seem to think that their country is pretty much close to perfect
sadna: ``Well, the Pakistani President says a group is not banned and you a member of the Pakistani press scrambles to cover up for him without verifying the facts, preferring to blame the whole world of conspiracy. If that is not supporting a terrorist organisation, what is.`` -- who was covering up for musharraf -- i think like i said u dont understand things when they are explained to you sadna -- u quoted an australian interview in which he said that that lashkar wasnt banned and i said that it was -- its my word against what he said in the interview and officially it is banned -- i also dont remember saying anywhere that he was saying the truth there but did accuse u of double speak because you continue to twist and deliberately misunderstand (or seem to) what i say --
as for the book saying 80,000 books, yes iw ould question that and thats what i have done here on this board -- if u cant handle it then either just ignore it sadna or say that u disagree -- what i dont understand is your persistence in going on and on and using my disagreement with you to launch personal attacks and question my credibility -- the latter is fine but surely once your point is made you need to move on -- but every day i come on this board and lo and behold there is another facetious point by you -- i mean where is this leading
you and me disagree -- i think youre a pathological paki basher and you think im a sham journalist -- and i can live with you thinking that because it doesnt matter to me what people like you think anyway -- so is there anything else that can be done about that
sadna: ``I mean a Pakistani organisation is killing my countrymen on a daily basis, you are dissembling about it, implying I should not hate them, nor challenge your claims about them but admit India`s problems instead? Why?`` -- where is this happening now shrimati jee -- your own indian army chief said recently that infiltration from pakistan had sharply decreased -- the attack recently in J & K wasnt even attributed to the militants -- so my guess is your the victim (or perhaps the instigator) of a massive disinformation campaign -- and even if you believe all this why should i have to suffer by typing endless responses to your one-dimensional posts shrimati jee?
nb: ``And I was not making fun of your Hindi-I assume you`ve never learnt it,
hahaha there you go assuming -- the indians i met in college often told me that except for the sanskritized words (a more recent phenomenon in usage) the grammar is the same -- are you telling me that the hindi they speak in indian movies is some other language because any one in pakistan can understand it
as for bothering to learn (i assume you mean to read devnagiri) nb there is no need for that in pakistan but whether i ever tried or not i dont think i am obliged to `tell` on chowk --
nikki: ``#232 by nikki7777 on July 1, 2004 5:39pm PT
#228..MULLAH O...the reason i keep making an ``ass` of myself as you so delicately put it is `cause of YOU...you keep making an `ass` of yerself day in and day out on this site , so i`ve dedicated myself to do the same....till both our `asses` collide and explode under a pile of shit..``
there you go again dude .....
sadna: ``omarjee, be honest and logical for ONCE. Admit that not ONE of websites in #214 is anti-Pakistani and they all corroborate the contents of the website you are objecting to. `` -- hahaha i just told you i think twice already why
shri arjun jee the question was about the mnna status by nato -- answer that pundit jee
sadna: ``An Austrialian newspaper is less credible than the Dawn?`` -- yes shri sadna jee but in your scheme of things to even consiider that would seem sacrilegious -- it depends on the context -- i think the hindu or the times of india would be more credible than say the new york times or the australian on something to do with india -- dont see why its a problem shrimati jee -- but i wouldnt expect an indian paki hater like u to get this logic then would i
nb: ``The reason I talked about Pakistani men all thinking about how perfect they are, is that many of them really do seem quite narcissistic. You`re narcissistic in other ways, so I apologise for thinking it would apply to your physical appearance as well. I`m not the only one who generalises, btw. Every time you call me a Paki basher, I think of myself as a skinhead who beats up little old Punjabi ladies in Bradford.`` -- hahaha -- well try not to generalize and i do yes but i make it a point to refer to only those who interact on chowk -- and by the one doesnt have to be white to be a paki basher -- and paki or whatever bashing for me obviously does not have physical connotations since i am talking about it happening on a website -- trust me nb im less narcissistic than some of your worthy compatriots here most of whom have egos larger than india itself
nb again: ``Every country has problems. None of us pretends that India is perfect. But you refuse to look objectively at anything which suggests Pakistan is imperfect, no matter the source.`` -- i can only laugh at this nb -- in my line of work most of my writings and articles (including those on chowk) have been very critical of things and institutions pakistani -- as for looking objectively, actually i do look at it objectively which is why i can differentiate between the intention of someone like ayaz amir and someone like arjun m or harish of hyderabad aka moronjee -- and by the way i think a lot of your compatriots, esp juvenile morons like nikki et al do seem to think that their country is pretty much close to perfect
sadna: ``Well, the Pakistani President says a group is not banned and you a member of the Pakistani press scrambles to cover up for him without verifying the facts, preferring to blame the whole world of conspiracy. If that is not supporting a terrorist organisation, what is.`` -- who was covering up for musharraf -- i think like i said u dont understand things when they are explained to you sadna -- u quoted an australian interview in which he said that that lashkar wasnt banned and i said that it was -- its my word against what he said in the interview and officially it is banned -- i also dont remember saying anywhere that he was saying the truth there but did accuse u of double speak because you continue to twist and deliberately misunderstand (or seem to) what i say --
as for the book saying 80,000 books, yes iw ould question that and thats what i have done here on this board -- if u cant handle it then either just ignore it sadna or say that u disagree -- what i dont understand is your persistence in going on and on and using my disagreement with you to launch personal attacks and question my credibility -- the latter is fine but surely once your point is made you need to move on -- but every day i come on this board and lo and behold there is another facetious point by you -- i mean where is this leading
you and me disagree -- i think youre a pathological paki basher and you think im a sham journalist -- and i can live with you thinking that because it doesnt matter to me what people like you think anyway -- so is there anything else that can be done about that
sadna: ``I mean a Pakistani organisation is killing my countrymen on a daily basis, you are dissembling about it, implying I should not hate them, nor challenge your claims about them but admit India`s problems instead? Why?`` -- where is this happening now shrimati jee -- your own indian army chief said recently that infiltration from pakistan had sharply decreased -- the attack recently in J & K wasnt even attributed to the militants -- so my guess is your the victim (or perhaps the instigator) of a massive disinformation campaign -- and even if you believe all this why should i have to suffer by typing endless responses to your one-dimensional posts shrimati jee?
#235 Posted by harish_hyd on July 1, 2004 10:48:09 pm
Well, here`s what Ayaz Amir has to say about the press in Pakistan. And horror of horrors, it is in the same newspaper that Omar `jee` claims he`s working for. What is the world coming to?
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/ayaz.htm
Excerpts:
``Indeed, the press is at fault for not making the most of its present freedoms. Pakistan today suffers from a glut of commentating. Anyone with access to newspaper space is a pundit.
There is little or no interest in investigative reporting (for the obvious reason that it entails work) and even standards of ordinary reporting are quite abysmal. Which has something to do with what we`ve done to our educational system but that`s another story. ``
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/ayaz.htm
Excerpts:
``Indeed, the press is at fault for not making the most of its present freedoms. Pakistan today suffers from a glut of commentating. Anyone with access to newspaper space is a pundit.
There is little or no interest in investigative reporting (for the obvious reason that it entails work) and even standards of ordinary reporting are quite abysmal. Which has something to do with what we`ve done to our educational system but that`s another story. ``
#234 Posted by harish_hyd on July 1, 2004 10:04:12 pm
nb, sadna,
I`m surprised you`re still arguing with this moron. He`s lost it. Just let him be.
Harish
I`m surprised you`re still arguing with this moron. He`s lost it. Just let him be.
Harish
#233 Posted by nb on July 1, 2004 6:15:00 pm
Omar,
The SBS is very very credible. They`ve been very fair in the was on Iraq.
The idea of those ``jokes`` was not to make you laugh but to demonstrate to you how absurd the `facts` are that you keeep pointing out about India.
I think you didn`t know what glutes were, so we shall leave it at that.
And I was not making fun of your Hindi-I assume you`ve never learnt it, but telling you it is colonial thinking to go on with the jees and shris and shrimatis to make fun of people. I did correct you with the shrimati (BTW, it`s usually husbands who call their wives shrimati ji as you did with sadna), but that was not making fun, just telling you, since you`re using it wrong unlike the things you said about zahra and zeena, your own compatriots.
The reason I talked about Pakistani men all thinking about how perfect they are, is that many of them really do seem quite narcissistic. You`re narcissistic in other ways, so I apologise for thinking it would apply to your physical appearance as well. I`m not the only one who generalises, btw. Every time you call me a Paki basher, I think of myself as a skinhead who beats up little old Punjabi ladies in Bradford.
At leas sadna needs to regress. You are already so regressed that there is no scope for further regression before you disappear.
Every country has problems. None of us pretends that India is perfect. But you refuse to look objectively at anything which suggests Pakistan is imperfect, no matter the source.( It`s ok for you to say you won`t look at a source which has Gill on it, but I can`t say that about a source that has Bidwai on it.) Your double standards are amazing.
The SBS is very very credible. They`ve been very fair in the was on Iraq.
The idea of those ``jokes`` was not to make you laugh but to demonstrate to you how absurd the `facts` are that you keeep pointing out about India.
I think you didn`t know what glutes were, so we shall leave it at that.
And I was not making fun of your Hindi-I assume you`ve never learnt it, but telling you it is colonial thinking to go on with the jees and shris and shrimatis to make fun of people. I did correct you with the shrimati (BTW, it`s usually husbands who call their wives shrimati ji as you did with sadna), but that was not making fun, just telling you, since you`re using it wrong unlike the things you said about zahra and zeena, your own compatriots.
The reason I talked about Pakistani men all thinking about how perfect they are, is that many of them really do seem quite narcissistic. You`re narcissistic in other ways, so I apologise for thinking it would apply to your physical appearance as well. I`m not the only one who generalises, btw. Every time you call me a Paki basher, I think of myself as a skinhead who beats up little old Punjabi ladies in Bradford.
At leas sadna needs to regress. You are already so regressed that there is no scope for further regression before you disappear.
Every country has problems. None of us pretends that India is perfect. But you refuse to look objectively at anything which suggests Pakistan is imperfect, no matter the source.( It`s ok for you to say you won`t look at a source which has Gill on it, but I can`t say that about a source that has Bidwai on it.) Your double standards are amazing.
#232 Posted by nikki7777 on July 1, 2004 5:39:49 pm
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#231 Posted by sadna on July 1, 2004 10:47:05 am
omar_r_quraishi #228
``Which of the websites in #214 talking of Jamat Ul Fuqra is ani-Pakistani omarjee. Try being a LITTLE honest for a change.
eerrrr sadna jee since u cant read its the one with the reference/link to k p s gill ``
omarjee, be honest and logical for ONCE. Admit that not ONE of websites in #214 is anti-Pakistani and they all corroborate the contents of the website you are objecting to.
``Which of the websites in #214 talking of Jamat Ul Fuqra is ani-Pakistani omarjee. Try being a LITTLE honest for a change.
eerrrr sadna jee since u cant read its the one with the reference/link to k p s gill ``
omarjee, be honest and logical for ONCE. Admit that not ONE of websites in #214 is anti-Pakistani and they all corroborate the contents of the website you are objecting to.
#230 Posted by arjun_m on July 1, 2004 10:16:07 am
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#229 Posted by sadna on July 1, 2004 9:55:31 am
omar_r_quraishi #228
An Austrialian newspaper is less credible than the Dawn? Are you saying the Austrialian newspaper cooked up those statements about Lashkar-e-Toiba by Musharraf? Why would they do so?
``btw, the Al Dawa publication of Laskhar E Taiba selling 80,000 copies and is stocked in upscale book stores in Pakistan. So much for moderate Pakistanis, an extinct species.`` -- hahaha acha which upscale book stores stock their books -- please give me their names shrimati (slowly losing it) jee .... u know that sitting in somewhere outside of pakistan hahaha ``
The book I am quoting on the above statement is
Islamist Networks, The Afghan-Pakistan Connection
Mariam Abou Zahab and Olivier Roy
Translated from the French
Published by Columbia University Press, New York 2004
The actual statement is `` The monthly Al-Dawat, the most widely-read religious magazine in the Punjab, was printed in an edition of more than 80,000 copies and distributed through all possible outlets, notably in the English-language bookshops of the smart quarters of Islamabad and Karachi.``
The authors say ``The case of Lashkar-i-Taiba is a proof of President Musharraf`s ambivalence towards jihadi movements. The government has consistently maintained a lenient attitude towards groups focussed on the jihad in Kashmir because the army will continue to need them as a proxy force for as long as Kashmir remains unsolved.``
The book is available on amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0231133642/qid=1088699139/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-0460315-8125755?v=glance&s=books
Now let me guess, Columbia University Press is less credible than Dawn newspaper.
``and why should you think that all pakistanis would support the jihadis -- but it doesnt matter to me that you think that shrimati jee -- you are so full of hate against pakistan that it doesnt matter ``
Well, the Pakistani President says a group is not banned and you a member of the Pakistani press scrambles to cover up for him without verifying the facts, preferring to blame the whole world of conspiracy. If that is not supporting a terrorist organisation, what is.
And yes, I hate people who dissemble about an organisation like LeT. Neither do these people seek to debunk the religious claims of LeT about paradise(for their own sake), nor do these people put a check on the brutal savagery of their methods, nor do they stop dissembling about the freedom and official license given to this group to operate.
I mean a Pakistani organisation is killing my countrymen on a daily basis, you are dissembling about it, implying I should not hate them, nor challenge your claims about them but admit India`s problems instead? Why?
An Austrialian newspaper is less credible than the Dawn? Are you saying the Austrialian newspaper cooked up those statements about Lashkar-e-Toiba by Musharraf? Why would they do so?
``btw, the Al Dawa publication of Laskhar E Taiba selling 80,000 copies and is stocked in upscale book stores in Pakistan. So much for moderate Pakistanis, an extinct species.`` -- hahaha acha which upscale book stores stock their books -- please give me their names shrimati (slowly losing it) jee .... u know that sitting in somewhere outside of pakistan hahaha ``
The book I am quoting on the above statement is
Islamist Networks, The Afghan-Pakistan Connection
Mariam Abou Zahab and Olivier Roy
Translated from the French
Published by Columbia University Press, New York 2004
The actual statement is `` The monthly Al-Dawat, the most widely-read religious magazine in the Punjab, was printed in an edition of more than 80,000 copies and distributed through all possible outlets, notably in the English-language bookshops of the smart quarters of Islamabad and Karachi.``
The authors say ``The case of Lashkar-i-Taiba is a proof of President Musharraf`s ambivalence towards jihadi movements. The government has consistently maintained a lenient attitude towards groups focussed on the jihad in Kashmir because the army will continue to need them as a proxy force for as long as Kashmir remains unsolved.``
The book is available on amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0231133642/qid=1088699139/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-0460315-8125755?v=glance&s=books
Now let me guess, Columbia University Press is less credible than Dawn newspaper.
``and why should you think that all pakistanis would support the jihadis -- but it doesnt matter to me that you think that shrimati jee -- you are so full of hate against pakistan that it doesnt matter ``
Well, the Pakistani President says a group is not banned and you a member of the Pakistani press scrambles to cover up for him without verifying the facts, preferring to blame the whole world of conspiracy. If that is not supporting a terrorist organisation, what is.
And yes, I hate people who dissemble about an organisation like LeT. Neither do these people seek to debunk the religious claims of LeT about paradise(for their own sake), nor do these people put a check on the brutal savagery of their methods, nor do they stop dissembling about the freedom and official license given to this group to operate.
I mean a Pakistani organisation is killing my countrymen on a daily basis, you are dissembling about it, implying I should not hate them, nor challenge your claims about them but admit India`s problems instead? Why?
#228 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on July 1, 2004 7:21:18 am
Which of the websites in #214 talking of Jamat Ul Fuqra is ani-Pakistani omarjee. Try being a LITTLE honest for a change.
eerrrr sadna jee since u cant read its the one with the reference/link to k p s gill -- harish jee -- if my posts are voluminous then i think your comrades in arms practically live on chowk -- any body with even a little `intellect` will be able to see that the website in question is extremely nationalistic (to the point of being vitriolic) esp coz it treats all the freedom movements in india`s northeast as terrorist operations --
nikki-- ``c`mon my brotha, gimme what you sniffin``` -- hahaha -- dude must u continue to make an ass of yourself ?
arjun jee -- to rebut your own argument -- pray tell me then why india wasnt granted mfnna status by NATO while Pakistan was ??
sadna: ``btw, the Al Dawa publication of Laskhar E Taiba selling 80,000 copies and is stocked in upscale book stores in Pakistan. So much for moderate Pakistanis, an extinct species.`` -- hahaha acha which upscale book stores stock their books -- please give me their names shrimati (slowly losing it) jee .... u know that sitting in somewhere outside of pakistan hahaha
sadna jee your last post shows your mentally regressing and FAST -- please point in the past where i have supported the jihadis -- i am not two faced like you -- my articles ont his site and in my newspaper and quite unequivocally against the jihadis so your diatribe in post 224 makes no sense because it is addressed to the wrong person shrimati jee -- my point is (WHICH U STILL DONT GET !!!) is that INDIA HAS ITS MANY MANY TERRIBLE PROBLEMS so please stop painting a picture as if that isnt the case -- do u get that shrimati jee --
sadna: ``Are you Pakistanis men or pajamas? It is OK to support a brutal terrorist organisation as long as Pakistan is America`s valued ally,according to you.`` -- all i can say from this is that u r the mistress of doublespeak yourself -- when did i ever say this ??? and why should you think that all pakistanis would support the jihadis -- but it doesnt matter to me that you think that shrimati jee -- you are so full of hate against pakistan that it doesnt matter -- but for gods sake stop repeating the same posts when i have already pointed out to you that are you ready to admit or not that india has many probelms of its own too or not shrimati jee?
sadna: ``btw, a person of your heavy intellect appeared to have missed the President himself officially declaring there is no ban on April 7 2004. And you are citing Dawn reports to contest it, why? Is Dawn as the government mouthpiece more offical and credible than Pervez Musharraf?`` eerrrr no you idiot -- but dawn is certainly more credible than the SBS and so are official notifications of the government -- and i didnt quote dawn shrimati jee -- i said that the SBS interview that you mentioned quoted dawn`s resident editor in islamabad (LEARN TO READ FIRST THEN COMMENT!) and i said that most newspapers would have reported the ban which came into effect a long time ago --
sadna again: ``Pakistan`s President officially defends a terrorist organisation Lashkar i Taiba which makes it a point to kill Indian women and babies, and beheads and inviscerates its victims, calling its savagery an Islamic duty. And here you are spinning away for dear life. `` -- and i wonder what modi`s govt did in gujarat shrimati jee???
sadna you dont seem to understand that one doesnt have to agree with your BS theories and `opinions`
can u understand that or not ????
eerrrr sadna jee since u cant read its the one with the reference/link to k p s gill -- harish jee -- if my posts are voluminous then i think your comrades in arms practically live on chowk -- any body with even a little `intellect` will be able to see that the website in question is extremely nationalistic (to the point of being vitriolic) esp coz it treats all the freedom movements in india`s northeast as terrorist operations --
nikki-- ``c`mon my brotha, gimme what you sniffin``` -- hahaha -- dude must u continue to make an ass of yourself ?
arjun jee -- to rebut your own argument -- pray tell me then why india wasnt granted mfnna status by NATO while Pakistan was ??
sadna: ``btw, the Al Dawa publication of Laskhar E Taiba selling 80,000 copies and is stocked in upscale book stores in Pakistan. So much for moderate Pakistanis, an extinct species.`` -- hahaha acha which upscale book stores stock their books -- please give me their names shrimati (slowly losing it) jee .... u know that sitting in somewhere outside of pakistan hahaha
sadna jee your last post shows your mentally regressing and FAST -- please point in the past where i have supported the jihadis -- i am not two faced like you -- my articles ont his site and in my newspaper and quite unequivocally against the jihadis so your diatribe in post 224 makes no sense because it is addressed to the wrong person shrimati jee -- my point is (WHICH U STILL DONT GET !!!) is that INDIA HAS ITS MANY MANY TERRIBLE PROBLEMS so please stop painting a picture as if that isnt the case -- do u get that shrimati jee --
sadna: ``Are you Pakistanis men or pajamas? It is OK to support a brutal terrorist organisation as long as Pakistan is America`s valued ally,according to you.`` -- all i can say from this is that u r the mistress of doublespeak yourself -- when did i ever say this ??? and why should you think that all pakistanis would support the jihadis -- but it doesnt matter to me that you think that shrimati jee -- you are so full of hate against pakistan that it doesnt matter -- but for gods sake stop repeating the same posts when i have already pointed out to you that are you ready to admit or not that india has many probelms of its own too or not shrimati jee?
sadna: ``btw, a person of your heavy intellect appeared to have missed the President himself officially declaring there is no ban on April 7 2004. And you are citing Dawn reports to contest it, why? Is Dawn as the government mouthpiece more offical and credible than Pervez Musharraf?`` eerrrr no you idiot -- but dawn is certainly more credible than the SBS and so are official notifications of the government -- and i didnt quote dawn shrimati jee -- i said that the SBS interview that you mentioned quoted dawn`s resident editor in islamabad (LEARN TO READ FIRST THEN COMMENT!) and i said that most newspapers would have reported the ban which came into effect a long time ago --
sadna again: ``Pakistan`s President officially defends a terrorist organisation Lashkar i Taiba which makes it a point to kill Indian women and babies, and beheads and inviscerates its victims, calling its savagery an Islamic duty. And here you are spinning away for dear life. `` -- and i wonder what modi`s govt did in gujarat shrimati jee???
sadna you dont seem to understand that one doesnt have to agree with your BS theories and `opinions`
can u understand that or not ????
#227 Posted by harish_hyd on June 30, 2004 9:57:20 pm
#223 by omar_r_quraishi
[....but i think im a bit pressed for time shrimati jee --]
Hahahaha....that must surely rank as the joke of the day for me..seeing your numerous and often voluminous posts, you either type at least thrice as fast as an average chowkie or are lying through your teeth.
[....but i think im a bit pressed for time shrimati jee --]
Hahahaha....that must surely rank as the joke of the day for me..seeing your numerous and often voluminous posts, you either type at least thrice as fast as an average chowkie or are lying through your teeth.
#226 Posted by nikki7777 on June 30, 2004 5:52:20 pm
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#224 Posted by sadna on June 30, 2004 9:30:27 am
omar_r_quraishi #223
``the one about the jamaat ul furqa which had a huge banner link to k p s gill who even in india has quite a controversial reputation jee ``
Which of the websites in #214 talking of Jamat Ul Fuqra is ani-Pakistani omarjee. Try being a LITTLE honest for a change.
``But President Musharraf has managed to make Pakistan one of America`s most valuable allies, for now at least``
Are you Pakistanis men or pajamas? It is OK to support a brutal terrorist organisation as long as Pakistan is America`s valued ally,according to you.
Pakistan`s President officially defends a terrorist organisation Lashkar i Taiba which makes it a point to kill Indian women and babies, and beheads and inviscerates its victims, calling its savagery an Islamic duty. And here you are spinning away for dear life.
btw, a person of your heavy intellect appeared to have missed the President himself officially declaring there is no ban on April 7 2004. And you are citing Dawn reports to contest it, why? Is Dawn as the government mouthpiece more offical and credible than Pervez Musharraf?
btw, the Al Dawa publication of Laskhar E Taiba selling 80,000 copies and is stocked in upscale book stores in Pakistan. So much for moderate Pakistanis, an extinct species.
Here is its website operating out of Lahore:
http://www.jamatuddawa.org/data2/islamicarticles.html
Go join up now. You will not be able to go to paradise defending them here, you actually have to go kill yourself some Hindus.
``the one about the jamaat ul furqa which had a huge banner link to k p s gill who even in india has quite a controversial reputation jee ``
Which of the websites in #214 talking of Jamat Ul Fuqra is ani-Pakistani omarjee. Try being a LITTLE honest for a change.
``But President Musharraf has managed to make Pakistan one of America`s most valuable allies, for now at least``
Are you Pakistanis men or pajamas? It is OK to support a brutal terrorist organisation as long as Pakistan is America`s valued ally,according to you.
Pakistan`s President officially defends a terrorist organisation Lashkar i Taiba which makes it a point to kill Indian women and babies, and beheads and inviscerates its victims, calling its savagery an Islamic duty. And here you are spinning away for dear life.
btw, a person of your heavy intellect appeared to have missed the President himself officially declaring there is no ban on April 7 2004. And you are citing Dawn reports to contest it, why? Is Dawn as the government mouthpiece more offical and credible than Pervez Musharraf?
btw, the Al Dawa publication of Laskhar E Taiba selling 80,000 copies and is stocked in upscale book stores in Pakistan. So much for moderate Pakistanis, an extinct species.
Here is its website operating out of Lahore:
http://www.jamatuddawa.org/data2/islamicarticles.html
Go join up now. You will not be able to go to paradise defending them here, you actually have to go kill yourself some Hindus.
#223 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on June 30, 2004 7:43:27 am
err nb -- i think i know what the gluteus maximus is hahaha -- and u to think that you thought i dont get stuff --
nb: ``You have already made fun of Zahra_j`s English and another person-Zeena, maybe? I have to wonder, you have such amnesia for what you say, is it possible there`s more than one person posting?`` -- in the case of zahraJ pointed out her tendency to hyperventilate at the drop of a hat -- zeena yes had bad english -- so is pointing that out what elitists do nb???? u pointed out my lack of hindi -- u elitist too then ?
nikki u have a few Indian muslims friends !!!! whaaaaaaaaa
sadna dahling -- like i said im no spokesman for him but the organizations have been banned dear -- acha behnjee -- is it all right if i address you questions regarding shri advani jee and modi jee -- perhaps they will contradict themselves too shrimati jee -- can i ask you for clarifications jee ? and by the way the doublespeak was about your tendency to quote things from overtly anti pakistani sites jee -- like the one about the jamaat ul furqa which had a huge banner link to k p s gill who even in india has quite a controversial reputation jee -- i could in fact give u the link which has the story of the GoP banning six jihadi outfits and a recent one where the renamed ones have been banned too but i think im a bit pressed for time shrimati jee -- but type it in google and u will prob get something from the pakistani press --
and dear sadna jee here`s the intro from the interview of the general (which in case u missed out also quoted my dawn colleague from islamabad) -- ``Under ordinary circumstances, Pakistan might be regarded as a rogue nation. It`s a military dictatorship, recently exposed as a black market for the smuggling of nuclear weapons technology, and it’s home to some of the world`s most dangerous terrorist groups. But President Musharraf has managed to make Pakistan one of America`s most valuable allies, for now at least. We`ll be hearing from the President himself in a moment about how he manages this balancing act - but first Nick Lazaredes has more on why the world`s attention is rapidly swinging back to this region.`` -- now this fits in very well of a perception of pakistan held by someone with your views on the country sadna jee -- no wonder u would quote it jee --
nb: ``To prove to you how dangerous Indians are, Omar, I wish to tell you that 20 years ago, at the age of 5, my brother broke a plate and 2 LPs in a fit of temper. See, only in India do these dangerous people exist. What can you expect from him now?
Also, a man belched loudly in the seat next to me once in a BEST bus. Think of that!! `` -- wow your jokes were oh so good nb -- im positively in fits
nb again: ``Never been to a gym? Probably not, Pakistani men seem to think they`re God`s gift to women anyway :)``
hahaha there u go again with your sweeping generalizations again -- so typical of a paki hater/basher waisay
nb: ``You have already made fun of Zahra_j`s English and another person-Zeena, maybe? I have to wonder, you have such amnesia for what you say, is it possible there`s more than one person posting?`` -- in the case of zahraJ pointed out her tendency to hyperventilate at the drop of a hat -- zeena yes had bad english -- so is pointing that out what elitists do nb???? u pointed out my lack of hindi -- u elitist too then ?
nikki u have a few Indian muslims friends !!!! whaaaaaaaaa
sadna dahling -- like i said im no spokesman for him but the organizations have been banned dear -- acha behnjee -- is it all right if i address you questions regarding shri advani jee and modi jee -- perhaps they will contradict themselves too shrimati jee -- can i ask you for clarifications jee ? and by the way the doublespeak was about your tendency to quote things from overtly anti pakistani sites jee -- like the one about the jamaat ul furqa which had a huge banner link to k p s gill who even in india has quite a controversial reputation jee -- i could in fact give u the link which has the story of the GoP banning six jihadi outfits and a recent one where the renamed ones have been banned too but i think im a bit pressed for time shrimati jee -- but type it in google and u will prob get something from the pakistani press --
and dear sadna jee here`s the intro from the interview of the general (which in case u missed out also quoted my dawn colleague from islamabad) -- ``Under ordinary circumstances, Pakistan might be regarded as a rogue nation. It`s a military dictatorship, recently exposed as a black market for the smuggling of nuclear weapons technology, and it’s home to some of the world`s most dangerous terrorist groups. But President Musharraf has managed to make Pakistan one of America`s most valuable allies, for now at least. We`ll be hearing from the President himself in a moment about how he manages this balancing act - but first Nick Lazaredes has more on why the world`s attention is rapidly swinging back to this region.`` -- now this fits in very well of a perception of pakistan held by someone with your views on the country sadna jee -- no wonder u would quote it jee --
nb: ``To prove to you how dangerous Indians are, Omar, I wish to tell you that 20 years ago, at the age of 5, my brother broke a plate and 2 LPs in a fit of temper. See, only in India do these dangerous people exist. What can you expect from him now?
Also, a man belched loudly in the seat next to me once in a BEST bus. Think of that!! `` -- wow your jokes were oh so good nb -- im positively in fits
nb again: ``Never been to a gym? Probably not, Pakistani men seem to think they`re God`s gift to women anyway :)``
hahaha there u go again with your sweeping generalizations again -- so typical of a paki hater/basher waisay
#222 Posted by nikki7777 on June 29, 2004 4:44:05 pm
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