Role of Pakistan Army Under Musharraf Just Stinks

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... insulting gods and prophets on chowk is no big deal, it has been happening from day one...there are those who do it regularly and there are those who do not...and over a period of time one learns to divide them into two distinct groups of people and interacts with them accordingly ....

... one set of rules handles hatemongers and the other set of rules handles the normal guys like civilized human beings. the shock and surprise comes when one set of humans starts behaving like the other one and that is what has happened here. dost-mittar for the last five years has been loved and respected by most of the civilized pakistanis for his impeccable behaviour, fairness and clear thinking ... a sane voice in this madhouse...;)

... now what he has done or said in anger has been a shock to most of the pakis who would expect that kind of a retort from jay, harimou or gujjubania...but never never from dost-mittar... and that is all the noise mr alephnull..not what is said about the prophet but by whom...

.....meanwhile, enjoy dissing each other...

barachota (and others)
In the intellectual tradition where I have lived my adult life, respect for religious icons is not a MUST. We make irreverent remarks about Jesus, Ram and Krishna all the time. But I am aware of the muslim sensivity towards their prophet. I generally read my posts before I hit the ``submit`` button. This time I didn`t and so I am sorry that I hurt the feelings of so many decent people whom I deeply respect and who most likely respect me less now than they did before.

On the other hand, in the sphere I live, one never uses the kind of language to women you used in your post to sadna. In that sense, we (and here I mean west and not indians or hindus) respect women more than we respect gods/prophets/avtars.

Now, barachota, you said that I remained silent when sadna called you half-breed. Insults and barbs are a part of the chowk and I generally do not intervene. But when it comes to sexually degrading female interactors, whether it is sadna or farzana, I sometimes cannot resist. I did not see sadna call you half-breed -at least in the posts I read- (others did!) but I would not have reacted if someone had called me half-breed in the manner you did to sadna. She does frequently asks uncomfortable questions and she shows little respect for Pakistani liberals, but I have rarely seen her use abusive language. I dont think that any of her posts would have been rejected by any editor on the grounds of inappropriate language (which is perhaps more than I could say of my own objectionable post).

And I appreciate the fact that all your recent posts have used decent language, and here I make a difference between angry and indecent. And I hope that my post does not become the cause of your stopping to interact at chowk. That will make me feel real bad!

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Barachota #284

{{``He used to preach in a town call Taif. … Overcome by this unusual display of real compassion, the lady converted.``}}

A most affecting story; I’m sure it has brought tears to many eyes. However, a cynic would observe that it merely indicates prudent behaviour by the Man and perhaps even opportunism in a situation where he had no power.

It is more instructive to see how he behaved in Medina when he did have power and hordes of fanatical followers ready to do his bidding; how he dealt with dissenters and those who ridiculed him. The murders of Abu Afak and Asma bint Marwan (“Who will rid me of this turbulent woman?” followed by “A couple of goats will not butt their heads over her”) are relevant here. It is very amusing and ironic that Muslims who cite the first case ad nauseam as an example of ‘compassion’ rarely volunteer the others.

Dost-mittar #279

You can see that some of the more loutish Pakistanis on Chowk are demanding a display of abject contrition from you for having mentioned you-know-who in a less than reverential manner.

I sincerely hope you will not oblige them. They need to learn that religions do not deserve automatic respect; that in free societies religious notions and religious figures (living, dead or mythical – Sai Baba, Mohammad, Christ, whoever) should be as fair game for unfettered discussion as political ideas and politicians living and dead.

Offending these thugs’ precious religious sentiments on a regular basis may be the only way to habituate them to civilized mores. I hope that vigorous ‘hatemongering’ Paki-bashing on Chowk will continue for the same reason.

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hehehehehehehe.....

go zara si baat per barsoN ke yaraanay gaye
lekin itna tou hua kuch log pehchaanay gaye

;)

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P.s Dost Mittar jee: if all Hindus( stukay stay out of it) were to show their true colors under duress I wonder if this whole exercise is worth it:)-

nb #282
Given that the self-declared variety of `liberals` can` t debate issues to save their lives(literally), it is invariably comes down to the same routine.