Shivam Vij July 2, 2004
#21 Posted by aggressivesoul on July 3, 2004 10:09:39 pm
my my..looks as if uve been ragged real bad..
but seriously...a good topic uve chosen.
on a side note...atif1 ur i-log is pretty entertaining!!:p
but seriously...a good topic uve chosen.
on a side note...atif1 ur i-log is pretty entertaining!!:p
#20 Posted by rahul_capri on July 3, 2004 10:37:21 am
shivam,
Good to see you brought your struggle against ragging to chowk.I think you can see that some people will believe that ragging is healthy and ``makes you a man``.Probably these are the day scholars from big cities.The point that cant be emphasised enough is the necessity of tehelka like expose to bring out the ugly face of ragging in front of everybody.I would not be surprised if then I see the so called men peeing in their pants.
Ragging, and degrading tortures like Abu Gharaib, seem like a devious psychological ploy in which the victim is degraded in such a way, that
a) he tends to think that something is wrong with himself
b) tries to cut out that memory with from his mind, and this can have enormous psychological consequences.Cutting away sexual ragging from your mind, will result in shying away from exploring ones sexuality and gender identity.This may result in fear of the unknown which results in bigotry against homosexuals and male chauvinism.
Thanks for writing this excellent article
More later.
Good to see you brought your struggle against ragging to chowk.I think you can see that some people will believe that ragging is healthy and ``makes you a man``.Probably these are the day scholars from big cities.The point that cant be emphasised enough is the necessity of tehelka like expose to bring out the ugly face of ragging in front of everybody.I would not be surprised if then I see the so called men peeing in their pants.
Ragging, and degrading tortures like Abu Gharaib, seem like a devious psychological ploy in which the victim is degraded in such a way, that
a) he tends to think that something is wrong with himself
b) tries to cut out that memory with from his mind, and this can have enormous psychological consequences.Cutting away sexual ragging from your mind, will result in shying away from exploring ones sexuality and gender identity.This may result in fear of the unknown which results in bigotry against homosexuals and male chauvinism.
Thanks for writing this excellent article
More later.
#19 Posted by Saminasha on July 3, 2004 5:36:09 am
Fuji,
The worst types of frats/sororities reflect Lord of the Flies mentalities; and the rationale for them is that ``its a dog eat dog`` world out there...but then how do you explain frats and sororities who work closely with social service programs? In addition, which type do you want as your neighbor/employee/wife/husband/future industry leaders?
Ragging/hazing is abusive behavior. Why dance around it?
The worst types of frats/sororities reflect Lord of the Flies mentalities; and the rationale for them is that ``its a dog eat dog`` world out there...but then how do you explain frats and sororities who work closely with social service programs? In addition, which type do you want as your neighbor/employee/wife/husband/future industry leaders?
Ragging/hazing is abusive behavior. Why dance around it?
#18 Posted by fuji on July 2, 2004 11:43:39 pm
all you guys are missing the point:
ragging is a way to establish the ranking of a new male in the pack
dogs, wolves, apes, humans all define the hierarchy of the pack
better to do it formally than to duke it out!
ragging is a way to establish the ranking of a new male in the pack
dogs, wolves, apes, humans all define the hierarchy of the pack
better to do it formally than to duke it out!
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#15 Posted by MaheshG2 on July 2, 2004 2:40:38 pm
Sadna #14,
Okay :)
I hope you are not lamenting that government issued an order against ragging.
What happened in your case was only a temporary blip that comes with any new order.
#14 Posted by sadna on July 2, 2004 11:07:28 am
MaheshG #13
``You think you can not get close to your seniors without ragging?``
I don`t understand how you inferred that about what I think. Read a bit carefully, please?
``You think you can not get close to your seniors without ragging?``
No of course not, but in our case that had to wait for the second year(our first 2 sems. were combined). Since there was a standing government order against ragging, any fresher could have complained and gotten seniors into trouble even for simply talking. So they kept their distance as I said.
``You think you can not get close to your seniors without ragging?``
I don`t understand how you inferred that about what I think. Read a bit carefully, please?
``You think you can not get close to your seniors without ragging?``
No of course not, but in our case that had to wait for the second year(our first 2 sems. were combined). Since there was a standing government order against ragging, any fresher could have complained and gotten seniors into trouble even for simply talking. So they kept their distance as I said.
#13 Posted by MaheshG2 on July 2, 2004 10:51:06 am
Sadna #11,
You think you can not get close to your seniors without ragging? How do you get close to your own batchmates? Do you take turns ragging each other? :)
#12 Posted by Saminasha on July 2, 2004 9:30:30 am
Urstruly,
But much different before the invention of the wheel, nahin? Can you tell us about your childhood?
But much different before the invention of the wheel, nahin? Can you tell us about your childhood?
#11 Posted by sadna on July 2, 2004 9:24:36 am
There had been a scandal and an injunction passed against ragging the year before, so in my first year seniors kept their distance. Even in hostels, faculty members took turns `patrolling`. So the way it ended up was that we did not even get acquainted with our seniors as we should have.
The scandal the previous year has been that a fresher guy had been taken to a hotel and mistreated there, so perhaps all the hullabaloo was justified. A minority of out-of-control jerks ought not define college culture for everyone, but that is what happens, unfortunately.
The scandal the previous year has been that a fresher guy had been taken to a hotel and mistreated there, so perhaps all the hullabaloo was justified. A minority of out-of-control jerks ought not define college culture for everyone, but that is what happens, unfortunately.
#10 Posted by Urstruly on July 2, 2004 9:24:17 am
saminashah
yeah it was pretty rough in the era prior to first world war.
#9 Posted by Saminasha on July 2, 2004 9:00:25 am
One incident that I think about in remembering my undergrad years was of James Callaghan, a frosh kid who underwent a frat hazing. His hazing initiation required him to swallow exorbitant amounts of alcohol. He never survived it and died.
Callaghan`s death was the result of many behaviorisms fostered and encouraged in these fraternal microcosms; others ranged from the usual being catcalled at when walking to your classes to date rape incidents. There are some frats and sororities that value public and community service, academic and cultural excellence, tolerance and inclusion. And then there are other frats which are little more than the extension of high school...powered by booze and mistaken entitlement.
How they are funded is beyond me. Perhaps old boy conservatives can enlighten us as to why they should be financially supported?
Callaghan`s death was the result of many behaviorisms fostered and encouraged in these fraternal microcosms; others ranged from the usual being catcalled at when walking to your classes to date rape incidents. There are some frats and sororities that value public and community service, academic and cultural excellence, tolerance and inclusion. And then there are other frats which are little more than the extension of high school...powered by booze and mistaken entitlement.
How they are funded is beyond me. Perhaps old boy conservatives can enlighten us as to why they should be financially supported?
#7 Posted by IbrahimM on July 2, 2004 8:20:40 am
The best case against ragging I`ve herd, ever!
Personally I believe ragging is all about domination. It`s a power trip. The gratification you get by being in control of someone is worth killing for. As history has been our witness, dictators of this world have killed millions to be in control of the general populace. What could be sweeter than power over others?
Personally I believe ragging is all about domination. It`s a power trip. The gratification you get by being in control of someone is worth killing for. As history has been our witness, dictators of this world have killed millions to be in control of the general populace. What could be sweeter than power over others?
#6 Posted by MaheshG2 on July 2, 2004 8:20:40 am
Stuka #3,
Why do you need to insult and make somebody feel like nothing to help them blend into a team environment?
Why do you need to insult and make somebody feel like nothing to help them blend into a team environment?
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