Shivam Vij July 2, 2004
#2 Posted by zakazmi on July 2, 2004 7:21:18 am
I agree with some of your comments to a great extent when it comes to sexual raggaing. However i have to say that if done under some rules and regulations it can have positive effects. I myself come from a military background so i am speaking from my own experience of ragging. In Pakistan Military the following general rules apply:
1. No touching while ragging
2. No abusive language which targets anyone other than the person ragged i.e family etc
3. No targeting personal beliefs i.e. religion
Also if properly ragged then it has benefits. Ragging just for the sake of ragging is of literally no use at all. However it serves as a great tool for military purposes, i.e. brainwash the person and mold his mind for the army life. As Shivam says that it makes one not strong but sensless so little things don`t effect him. Well that is true, military requires a tough mind.
I myself agree with the fact that ragging brought me closer to my course mates and to my seniors, those who ragged me became my close friends.
However this is all useful if this thing happens in a controlled environment as in Military where deviation from these rules can even in some cases result in whitdrawl from the Army hence it is very very closely monitored.
On the other hand it if applied in a civilian environment i.e. non military, i personally think it is of no use and can be a very traumatic experience as it only comes out as Rule of The Jungle i.e. No Rules. Hence i think it should be stopped in those cases. But i know as well as any one else this is not going to happen tomorrow.
1. No touching while ragging
2. No abusive language which targets anyone other than the person ragged i.e family etc
3. No targeting personal beliefs i.e. religion
Also if properly ragged then it has benefits. Ragging just for the sake of ragging is of literally no use at all. However it serves as a great tool for military purposes, i.e. brainwash the person and mold his mind for the army life. As Shivam says that it makes one not strong but sensless so little things don`t effect him. Well that is true, military requires a tough mind.
I myself agree with the fact that ragging brought me closer to my course mates and to my seniors, those who ragged me became my close friends.
However this is all useful if this thing happens in a controlled environment as in Military where deviation from these rules can even in some cases result in whitdrawl from the Army hence it is very very closely monitored.
On the other hand it if applied in a civilian environment i.e. non military, i personally think it is of no use and can be a very traumatic experience as it only comes out as Rule of The Jungle i.e. No Rules. Hence i think it should be stopped in those cases. But i know as well as any one else this is not going to happen tomorrow.
#3 Posted by stuka on July 2, 2004 7:38:25 am
Ragging helps in taking the edge of freshers. It helps them blend into a team environment. I am ofcourse against excessive beating up of students that passes for ragging but find nothing wrong in a little bit of horseplay.
#4 Posted by MaheshG2 on July 2, 2004 7:48:51 am
I agree with the author. Ragging is a pointless that should be done away with.
#2, I have never become friends with any seniors who hurled abuses at me during ragging. I have no respect for them.
I haven`t ragged any of my juniors and treated them the way I wanted to be treated by my seniors.
#5 Posted by t_talwar on July 2, 2004 8:14:51 am
Shivam,
Excellent article. This tradition is a black spot on our society`s so called modern and educated face and worse part is that courts have to step in to stop something so obviously disgusting. Equally surprising is people`s (read well educated) support for raggingand their casual attitude towards this malice. This Such incidents leave a lasting impression on a young mind and as we are seeing now, encourages them to become ``better raggers`` ( worse animals) than their seniors. These are acts of sexually repressed cowards who take advantage of freshers.
Surprisingly, worse ragging cases happen in Engineering and Medical colleges where supposedly ``better`` students go.
Excellent article. This tradition is a black spot on our society`s so called modern and educated face and worse part is that courts have to step in to stop something so obviously disgusting. Equally surprising is people`s (read well educated) support for raggingand their casual attitude towards this malice. This Such incidents leave a lasting impression on a young mind and as we are seeing now, encourages them to become ``better raggers`` ( worse animals) than their seniors. These are acts of sexually repressed cowards who take advantage of freshers.
Surprisingly, worse ragging cases happen in Engineering and Medical colleges where supposedly ``better`` students go.
#6 Posted by MaheshG2 on July 2, 2004 8:20:40 am
Stuka #3,
Why do you need to insult and make somebody feel like nothing to help them blend into a team environment?
Why do you need to insult and make somebody feel like nothing to help them blend into a team environment?
#7 Posted by IbrahimM on July 2, 2004 8:20:40 am
The best case against ragging I`ve herd, ever!
Personally I believe ragging is all about domination. It`s a power trip. The gratification you get by being in control of someone is worth killing for. As history has been our witness, dictators of this world have killed millions to be in control of the general populace. What could be sweeter than power over others?
Personally I believe ragging is all about domination. It`s a power trip. The gratification you get by being in control of someone is worth killing for. As history has been our witness, dictators of this world have killed millions to be in control of the general populace. What could be sweeter than power over others?
#9 Posted by Saminasha on July 2, 2004 9:00:25 am
One incident that I think about in remembering my undergrad years was of James Callaghan, a frosh kid who underwent a frat hazing. His hazing initiation required him to swallow exorbitant amounts of alcohol. He never survived it and died.
Callaghan`s death was the result of many behaviorisms fostered and encouraged in these fraternal microcosms; others ranged from the usual being catcalled at when walking to your classes to date rape incidents. There are some frats and sororities that value public and community service, academic and cultural excellence, tolerance and inclusion. And then there are other frats which are little more than the extension of high school...powered by booze and mistaken entitlement.
How they are funded is beyond me. Perhaps old boy conservatives can enlighten us as to why they should be financially supported?
Callaghan`s death was the result of many behaviorisms fostered and encouraged in these fraternal microcosms; others ranged from the usual being catcalled at when walking to your classes to date rape incidents. There are some frats and sororities that value public and community service, academic and cultural excellence, tolerance and inclusion. And then there are other frats which are little more than the extension of high school...powered by booze and mistaken entitlement.
How they are funded is beyond me. Perhaps old boy conservatives can enlighten us as to why they should be financially supported?
#10 Posted by Urstruly on July 2, 2004 9:24:17 am
saminashah
yeah it was pretty rough in the era prior to first world war.
#11 Posted by sadna on July 2, 2004 9:24:36 am
There had been a scandal and an injunction passed against ragging the year before, so in my first year seniors kept their distance. Even in hostels, faculty members took turns `patrolling`. So the way it ended up was that we did not even get acquainted with our seniors as we should have.
The scandal the previous year has been that a fresher guy had been taken to a hotel and mistreated there, so perhaps all the hullabaloo was justified. A minority of out-of-control jerks ought not define college culture for everyone, but that is what happens, unfortunately.
The scandal the previous year has been that a fresher guy had been taken to a hotel and mistreated there, so perhaps all the hullabaloo was justified. A minority of out-of-control jerks ought not define college culture for everyone, but that is what happens, unfortunately.
#12 Posted by Saminasha on July 2, 2004 9:30:30 am
Urstruly,
But much different before the invention of the wheel, nahin? Can you tell us about your childhood?
But much different before the invention of the wheel, nahin? Can you tell us about your childhood?
#13 Posted by MaheshG2 on July 2, 2004 10:51:06 am
Sadna #11,
You think you can not get close to your seniors without ragging? How do you get close to your own batchmates? Do you take turns ragging each other? :)
#14 Posted by sadna on July 2, 2004 11:07:28 am
MaheshG #13
``You think you can not get close to your seniors without ragging?``
I don`t understand how you inferred that about what I think. Read a bit carefully, please?
``You think you can not get close to your seniors without ragging?``
No of course not, but in our case that had to wait for the second year(our first 2 sems. were combined). Since there was a standing government order against ragging, any fresher could have complained and gotten seniors into trouble even for simply talking. So they kept their distance as I said.
``You think you can not get close to your seniors without ragging?``
I don`t understand how you inferred that about what I think. Read a bit carefully, please?
``You think you can not get close to your seniors without ragging?``
No of course not, but in our case that had to wait for the second year(our first 2 sems. were combined). Since there was a standing government order against ragging, any fresher could have complained and gotten seniors into trouble even for simply talking. So they kept their distance as I said.
#15 Posted by MaheshG2 on July 2, 2004 2:40:38 pm
Sadna #14,
Okay :)
I hope you are not lamenting that government issued an order against ragging.
What happened in your case was only a temporary blip that comes with any new order.
#16 Posted by nikki7777 on July 2, 2004 2:57:24 pm
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