The Rock Star and the Mullahs

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The Mullah can just not listen to music himself if he doesn`t like it. Instead he tries to stop everyone from listening, performing, being an audience, or buying music.

I think the point of the documentary was really to try and get people to be tolerant of each other and listen to one another instead of blindly issuing fatwas or ignoring each other. Not sure how tolerant each side is though of the other!

i strongly believed that the documentry is a ridicule on Islam and unfortunately the guy who make this is also a muslim.. so shameful thing... if we have some differences then isnt it good that we solve them within ourselves whats the reason of telling apney ghar ki batein to stranger,
what we call a person who tells your personal things to strangers.. what was Salman ahmed trying to do...just a publicity and in the way of his publicity he does not even think what is he doing....

tell you one thing... Islam is not make or built by Mullahs, it is there and Allah has given this religion to us from Hzarat Muhammad (SW), and it is complete then no one has amended it.. and no one can,, as Allah Himself took the responsibility.
So, now the muslims are trying to tell Allah that we follow Islam but the Islam Mullahs tell us is not the Islam our Prophet gave us it is something else....
WOW.. we muslims listen to Bush of US when he says Islam is a religion of peace but when same thing is said by some mullah we dont ever care.., what is he saying...

Islam gave the peace to mankind....but what is Osama doing or taliban doing was to save Islam and their nation from Jews and christians....

some ppl say that muslims are violent,...just tell me one thing.. who invaded Afghanistan....???
Iraq????
Phalastine...???
KAshmir...???
christians and jews.. rite???
so isnt it the duty of the ppl of the nations to stiop them from ruining their countries...
and as all muslims are one family... (u pppl must agree) isnt it a duty of other fellow muslims to help them .. and not help the enemies...??

power is yours...and its your decision whre you use it...

so ppl think a little.. what is rite and what is wrong... dont just start making comments about things....

there is a question for all of you...

HOW MANY TIMES YOU LIE IN A DAY....EVEN SMALL ONES??
if you can answer that question to urself and stop lieing... you will be a great muslim...
as lieing is one of the major differences bwtween non-muslim and muslim.



PS : I am not captain planet ;)

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garam_chai:

you wrote:

``As long as Mullah hold his opinion against music, and he does not impose upon other. Society should acomodate his opinion.``


Unfortunately, the Mullah DOES IMPOSE upon others. Even in places where the Mullah has NOT won elections, there are fatwas issued on banning local cultural dances that have been performed for centuries. Case in point, in the Northern Areas of Pakistan.

Salman is right in trying to take such topics head on.

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Bina
I am confused over objectives of Salman`s dialogue with Mullah Electricity. Let say that the Mullah agree with Salaman, what do we achieve from that? I dont think that it is a black & white issue. To me, it seems nothing more than a marketing for Salman. It is similar situation when a shia and sunni mullah arguing with each other to convince the other. Simply holding guitar, copying western beats and outlook does not make you a liberal person. Similarly, keepin long beard and teaching in maddrassah does not mak you a conservative irrational person. As long as Mullah hold his opinion against music, and he does not impose upon other. Society should acomodate his opinion. How does music in particular make you more spirtual? I think that it is your kind heart, strong moral values, and belief on the God make you spirtual person. What am i saying, that it comes from inside, like a fountain water.
I remember a Khan Baba from my street in lahore. He used to put the dry soil on slipping area in our street, when it had rained in summer. He did all that for no recognition, and for not means. I found it to be the most spirtual act, helping fellow humans silently without making speeches and arguement. Arguing with Mullah, and publishing the storey on BBC has no substance or value in it.

Regards,
shahryar

Malik99, your one sided argument about Salman confronting an extremely `fundo-sitic` maulvi, who thinks all 50+ countries are unislamic is not true. Well brother, he did confront some liberal mollahs, in one of Karachi`s best madrassahs too, so he showed both sides of the story! What a great documentary! I heard hes making another one pretty soon!

Salman Ahmed 4 life! And Maluana Bijli can stick it!

X vs. the mullahs seems to be big business now. I think a lot of people who occupy the X slot should thank the mullahs. If these documentaries were just about X (where X = music, political philosophies, social habits etc.) and not X vs. the mullahs, I doubt too many people would watch them. Definitely not in the West.

Other than the MMA banning music at public functions, I am not sure what kind of restriction there is on music in Pakistan. And even this ban is more political than anything else. It will go away, once MMA cannot win political points out of it (kind of like Sikh politicians wearing kirpans in Canadian politics). Music is otherwise booming business in Pakistan. And has always been one.

So while such documentaries do point to one particular area of Pakistan, they tend to portray the whole problem as something much greater than it is. A much better documentary would have been, one based on someone going into the Red Light area (where much of Pakistan`s music talent used to come out of, and still comes out of), and trying to figure out why there has been a cultural taboo associated with certaining performing arts in Pakistan.

This taboo has now reduced to a great degree in music and TV. But still exists for movies and dancing, and too some extent for female singing.

Rock Star and Heera Mandi; that would be something that would hit at the real problem........

I agree with Malik99 ... #4

Salman`s one hell of a rock star! Also liked the international debut of Maulana Bijli.

Pakistanis love Music... and no Mullah is ever going to be allowed to ban it.

Kinda reminds me of this story by Ghulam Abbas.... oh never mind... I already told you about that one..

-YLH

PS: Saw this documentary a while ago... Salman Ahmed has his heart at the right place... unfortunately however... the documentary failed to impress...

Having seen this documentary multiple times (since I have a recording of it) I must say it was quite interesting. Salman’s dialogue with Mullah Electricity (at end of which, Mullah himself ended up singing something) and his reciting of some Quranic verses in the madrassah while he played a riff on his guitar were the main highlights I think. And why can’t one do that, when the book itself is quite poetic and rhythmic. Even Azaan is recited in some Arabic scale, as Salman pointed out.

MMA has to realize that people didn’t vote them in to ban music, and most of their voters are quite ticked off at their policies. They got all those votes cashing on the anti-American sentiment in NWFP, because NWFP people have ethnic ties with Taliban in Afghanistan. Next time, they are going to be kicked out, because they haven’t delivered on any of their promises. Other provinces didn’t vote for them anyway.

This documentary reminds me of some interesting experiences from the university days in Pakistan. Even the tableeghi people who sometimes walked into my room for their usual tableegh never left without hearing a riff or two on the guitar. They didn’t manage to convince me to join their ranks, but I wonder if any of them picked guitar too. Music is a part of every one of us, and denying it is something unnatural.

Tradition local music in Pakistan seems to be in danger of extinction because classical and folk music doesn’t appeal to majority of the young audience (something which is globally true perhaps). So that void is being filled by the ever-growing rock/pop bands in all major urban centers of Pakistan. But most of these new bands sound quite raw and need a strong music industry (instead of corporate sponsorships) to back them up.

The good thing is that unlike Zia’s 80’s, people are now quite open to accepting music and musicians. Number of public concerts has increased in magnitudes, and TV channels have started giving plenty of coverage to music, including emergence of dedicated music channels. Probably 10 years from now, we will have a strong music industry, driven by the rock stars of 90’s, as they get older and move towards production stuff.

Thanks.

Abu`l Hassan Ali Hajveri, the Data Sahab of Lahore has given an apparently unbiased discourse on the status of music in Kashaful Mahjoob, his persian treatise on Sufism. I have scanned and uploaded it here:
Concerning Audition
This discourse is somewhat hard to comprehend for people who are not familiar with Sufi conventions. I recently saw a detailed and very interesting article supporting the legality of music, by Mr. Javed Ahmed Ghamidi. I`ll see if I can find the text again, and scan it into a pdf file to share on here.




Re: #2 by freethinker
In his interpretation in footnotes, Maudoodi has tied “Lah-wal-Hadith” directly with singing. He has quoted several traditions (Hadith) in support of his claim.

Sir, I would advise you never to trust this honorable but crooked Islamic scholar. There are more than one versions of each hadith listed in the compilations one after another. Modudi is known to take only one of the versions that supports his point of view. He has committed this dishonesty in such debates as the status of music, the punishment of apostacy and the finality of prophethood.