The Mullah and the Munir Report

Ferozk,

The point with regard to Taliban was that they were not secular... if you can use sarcasm (and in doing so distort my argument) so can I ... your claim was (rather ironically quite contradictory to some of your earlier positions on chowk... but thats good ... shows you are atleast thinking) that secular governments are the worse oppressors of minorities... I think when all is said and done... no one beats the taliban... though Nazis (who can`t be described as secular either in my opinion) come close in my opinion... in the honor of being the worst oppressors of minorities... the genocide and the holocaust that went on in Afghanistan for the 6 years of Taliban rule is something that the world is only beginning to discover...


Clearly you missed the point again... My point was that it is the Maulvis who keep declaring unjustifiably that `raison d etre` of Pakistan was Islam... quoting of History wrt Partition period is simply to take the wind out of their claims... you should really be telling them that 1947 has come and gone... instead of preaching it to be people like me who are merely correcting them on certain details... Pakistan like any legal nation state of the world is an accident of History ... and it needs no justification to exist ... nor any clutches of ideology... It should do what is in the Best interest of all its citizens including the religious minorities....


Yaar you know very well why you are doing this.... it is your ego and nothing else... instead of making such random comments like the one you made , no doubt to provoke me as you yourself have admitted that it is your primary purpose here on chowk and we are well aware that none of these Romairisque ideas are your own... all I have to say my dear friend is that... read `Pakistan in the 20th century` by Lawrence Zirring... a Book if I am not mistaken you have yourself chosen for your History class.

-YLH

Urstruly...

You are perhaps the only true Mullah version of McCarthy on Chowk...

HP

Sometimes when I see the level of intelect at the Indian interactive websites I think that at chowk people are Victorian puritans as compared to them. It is not because Chowk Staff regulates everybody with a danda in their hand all the time but only because the people who interact here wants to keep this website that way. In my four years at Chowk I have probably seen Chowk Staff removing obscene material from threads less than four times. That is the reason i regert Chowk staff`s heavy handedness at Dharma thread. How is one suppose to speak his mind when he is not sure whether he is allowed to speak his mind or not. That has set a bad precedence.

Chowk Staff

I think you are being too harsh lately. The social pressure from the fellow interlocutors would have taken care of the problem of obscenities. i dread the day when you will become our Big Brother....shuddering

Urstruly,

You are now afraid to discuss your claim that Mirza Sahib called his opponents “Kanjariyon ke bachchay” (i.e. Children of prostitutes).

You refer me to earlier discussion we had. From what I recall, you became silent when I clarified the issue to you. What discussion?

Sahib, simply stated … you make a claim … but fail to substantiate it … and are scared to discuss it. Which means what you write is not worth spitting on.

Nice try … but better luck next time … (you are now behaving like a gutless eunuch ... who can sing and dance ... but cannot ``perform`` - wink, wink, wink ...)

Hellbound (#135):

The mullah in you has finally spoken … and now you too are behaving like you own Islam.

So you want to follow Quran and Sunnah. Fair enough. Show me where does Quran say that prophethood has ended?

As for the last sermon of the Prophet(pbuh): True, religion has been completed. Shariah has been fully revealed and will be guarded by Allah Almighty. How does this rule out coming of prophets to bring people back to the Law of God as they go astray? Quran says that prophets appeared to warn and to remind people as they went astray. Where does it say that more prophets cannot appear?

BTW, your attempt to add “(last)” to the kalima was a good one. Nice try … but better luck next time.

Oh, one more thing … Parsis, Christians, etc. do not claim to be Muslims. Ahmadis do. I guess you overlooked this subtle difference …

Amit, you ask:
“Clearly this is a recent phenomenon because before partition Ahmadis must have felt that they were muslims in order to actually fight for Pakistan. So what changed in the past few decades?”

The force of the state was put behind the religious persecution of Ahmadis.

The acts of persecution had always existed, but there was recourse to an impartial state for safety and justice. This was true in the early years of Pakistan (case in point the Munir Report). This is unfortunately no longer true.

BTW, this seems to be the case for all minorities and if the trend continues the Shias are not that far behind.

Regards.

Sorry for stealing this thread momentarily.

Here is my post on the Dharma thread. I would like All Pakistanis to think about this.

“lurking reptiles and rodents on Chowk,”

Well said a-null #583

Now these reptiles and rodent are free to roam around and abuse every thing Pakistani.

The site’s stated goal is:

“Chowk does not claim to solve the political or social problems of Pakistan and/or India. Rather, it provides a platform for dialogue, introspection, and familiarity amongst the people to break taboos and facilitate a climate for lasting peace and understanding. http://www.chowk.com/show_about.cgi

Can anybody from the chowK staff show a single post out of the umpteenth thousands posted by these rodent and reptiles and roaches(A-null wrote that first-roaches my addition) to promote or even remotely subscribe to this goal? I would like the chowk staff to read post # 583 by A-null where he openly talks about the India and Pakistan rivalry and if this person and his friends the sadist, and the fake pathan, aka the Kerala clowns do not even subscribe to the goals of this site and instead promote the opposite goals than why are they being protected?

If the purpose of this site is to promote “Rivalry between India and Pakistan” than why not make appropriate changes in the site goals?

QUESTIONS FOR CHOWK STAFF

I hope some body from the chowk staff answers these questions:

Is the familiarity between the people increases when some RSS drones put ten posts every day to call all Pakistani Jihadi/Terrorist?

Is the familiarity between the people increases when every third post by this gang of RSS drones-moles-trolls/Kerala clowns refers to Prophet Mohammed marrying a young woman without any context? See nb post#602 -If the Prophet took young wives … (There are more posts should chowk staff needs a complete list.)

Is the familiarity between the people increases when Islam and Muslim are attacked by these “rodent and reptiles” and roaches(A-null wrote that first-roaches my addition) -Sadist, A-null, and the fake Pathan- in every single post?

If the purpose of this site is to promote rivalry between the countries and promote people who do that openly than why hoodwink Pakistanis in to believing that the this site promotes friendship between the two countries.

If the Chowk staff fails to answer my questions then all Pakistanis need to look at the this project that does not need Pakistani membership at all and start thinking about the alternates and some are available and others can be developed- not a problem at all.

What is more important? site`s goal or .....

Sattar

I don`t think that there was need for you to go breserk. As you have said, we did have an elaborate discussion on the Arabic word ``Baghiya`` and all its connotations.

Sattar and others: My presumptioin is not based on an assumption, why bc, I consider the the last Khutabh by PBUH as final and I am no one to refute that. PBUH clearly stated that our religion (Muslims) is completed today and therefore stating the obvious that there is no room for another prophet as far as `Mulsims` were concerned. Sattar you could belive in Quran all you want, and you could call urself whatever you want to, but the fact remains, that the founder of Islam (rightyly or wrongly) declared this to be end of an beginning...you can quote whoever you want to, but I will only listen to Quran and Sunnab, and nothing short of that...Your friends like YLH are well withing rights to support your cause, since Constitution accepts that, but it does not mean that the majority is bound to accept that...

Eisntstien: I dont see any relevance to this discussion with Muslim League or formation of Pakistan, even if we were to recognize Quadiani vote, it would not have bettered than half a percentage give or take, so what is your point really?

YLH writes:

[Ahmadis have done well for Pakistan ... and I think it is time Pakistan recognizes their services as such.]

Granted Yasser, but so have Pasis (depsite the fact that they have a code of not allowing dogs and muslims in their neck of the woods) so have Christians, Hindus, and Sikhs, do you reckon that all of the above be given a Mulsim status since they have done well for Pakistan, do u really? or just saying it to drive one home?

Urstruly Sahib … an afterthought …

Earlier you vehemently claimed that you are not interested in what Ahmadis say and believe.

Now that you think you have found something vulgar in Mirza Sahib’s writings … you are quick to start a debate on what he wrote.

Would you make up your mind? It seems when you realize you are on shaky grounds, you run away. Then you think you have found something against Ahmadis, and you turn around and want to discuss it …

You are behaving like the intellectual equivalent of a confused bisexual … (wink) …