International Law: Applicability and Real Politik in the Middle East
Nisreen Zain July 19, 2004
#64 Posted by harish_hyd on July 25, 2004 10:42:14 pm
#62 by taqat-e-parvaaz
[anyone who believes nawaz sharif, who himself admits he was kept in the dark about the entire operation, and his figures of pakistani deaths is even more stupid than him.]
Oh so, Bill Clinton, Anthony Zinny and Bruce Reidel, who say Nawaz Sharif flew into Washington begging them to ask India to stop attacking Pakistan`s fleeing troops are stupid!
#56 by taqat-e-parvaaz
[Remember how mujahideen and SSG commandos stole your land from you and rained down heavy mortars and artillery on your heads for three months.]
For once, I agree with you. The SSG commandos stole our land. They couldn`t invade it like any self-respecting Army would do.
#52 by taqat-e-parvaaz
[eat this. never mess with the pakistan army.]
Why would India mess with the Paki Army when it has done a fabulous job all by itself? Three wars and not an inch of land to show for it.
#51 by taqat-e-parvaaz
[and yes, mrs. harish, the awacs that india bought were lousy. the only reason pakistan makes a fuss is in the hopes that the US panics and blocks the sale.]
You`re contradicting yourself my friend. If it were as lousy as you claim they are, Pakistan would have been more than happy at the sale.
[pakistan has just recently purchased a state of the art AWACS from Sweden. so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.]
Oooooh!!!! The AWACS that Pakistan bought from Sweden are state-of-the-art, and the AWACS that India bought from Israel are lousy. Nice logic mate.
[and anyways, if india considers itself so technologically superior, it never forgets that any misadventure will result in a whole arsenal of Ghauris and Shaheens raining on the crowded and poverty stricken streets of calcutta and madras.]
Only, India will still exist. But Pakistan won`t.
#50 by taqat-e-parvaaz
[mr harish, if you are implying that pakistan has seen ethnic cleansing on the scale of gujrat and bombay than you`re severely deluded. i severely doubt that hindus in india are more unsafe than their muslim counterparts in india. pakistan will never see the rise of crazed fanatics like the RSS, the bajrang dal, and the shiv sena. sorry. never will hindus in pakistan be dragged out into the streets, beaten, and chopped into pieces. never in pakistan will hindu women be gang raped by muslim men and then stabbed repeatedly. never will pregnant women have their fetuses ripped out and killed violently. hurray for india`s secularism! these are all incidents that have occured in the past gujrat.]
No, I never said Pakistan has seen an ethnic cleansing on the scale of Gujarat. If anything, it has seen worse. And if you think you are being smart by substituting rhetoric for fact, let me assure you I can see through it.
[its a known fact that pakistan has a considerable advantage in this situation, but has foolishly not been able to leverage it properly.]
That Pakistan has not been able to take advantage is not for want of trying. Pakistan has tried it all, but is not an inch closer to Kashmir. And worse, it has lost all credibility after the elections in J&K last year. All it can now do is clutch at the crumbs it hopes India might throw its way.
[ha! who the hell is india fooling?]
It looks like you`re one helluva frustrated man.
[anyone who believes nawaz sharif, who himself admits he was kept in the dark about the entire operation, and his figures of pakistani deaths is even more stupid than him.]
Oh so, Bill Clinton, Anthony Zinny and Bruce Reidel, who say Nawaz Sharif flew into Washington begging them to ask India to stop attacking Pakistan`s fleeing troops are stupid!
#56 by taqat-e-parvaaz
[Remember how mujahideen and SSG commandos stole your land from you and rained down heavy mortars and artillery on your heads for three months.]
For once, I agree with you. The SSG commandos stole our land. They couldn`t invade it like any self-respecting Army would do.
#52 by taqat-e-parvaaz
[eat this. never mess with the pakistan army.]
Why would India mess with the Paki Army when it has done a fabulous job all by itself? Three wars and not an inch of land to show for it.
#51 by taqat-e-parvaaz
[and yes, mrs. harish, the awacs that india bought were lousy. the only reason pakistan makes a fuss is in the hopes that the US panics and blocks the sale.]
You`re contradicting yourself my friend. If it were as lousy as you claim they are, Pakistan would have been more than happy at the sale.
[pakistan has just recently purchased a state of the art AWACS from Sweden. so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.]
Oooooh!!!! The AWACS that Pakistan bought from Sweden are state-of-the-art, and the AWACS that India bought from Israel are lousy. Nice logic mate.
[and anyways, if india considers itself so technologically superior, it never forgets that any misadventure will result in a whole arsenal of Ghauris and Shaheens raining on the crowded and poverty stricken streets of calcutta and madras.]
Only, India will still exist. But Pakistan won`t.
#50 by taqat-e-parvaaz
[mr harish, if you are implying that pakistan has seen ethnic cleansing on the scale of gujrat and bombay than you`re severely deluded. i severely doubt that hindus in india are more unsafe than their muslim counterparts in india. pakistan will never see the rise of crazed fanatics like the RSS, the bajrang dal, and the shiv sena. sorry. never will hindus in pakistan be dragged out into the streets, beaten, and chopped into pieces. never in pakistan will hindu women be gang raped by muslim men and then stabbed repeatedly. never will pregnant women have their fetuses ripped out and killed violently. hurray for india`s secularism! these are all incidents that have occured in the past gujrat.]
No, I never said Pakistan has seen an ethnic cleansing on the scale of Gujarat. If anything, it has seen worse. And if you think you are being smart by substituting rhetoric for fact, let me assure you I can see through it.
[its a known fact that pakistan has a considerable advantage in this situation, but has foolishly not been able to leverage it properly.]
That Pakistan has not been able to take advantage is not for want of trying. Pakistan has tried it all, but is not an inch closer to Kashmir. And worse, it has lost all credibility after the elections in J&K last year. All it can now do is clutch at the crumbs it hopes India might throw its way.
[ha! who the hell is india fooling?]
It looks like you`re one helluva frustrated man.
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#63 Posted by harish_hyd on July 25, 2004 10:42:14 pm
Mr.taaqat, look what this Labour MP has to say about Pakiland. Stick this in your pipe and smoke it mate.
Excerpts:
``Significantly, Sheikh is also the man who, on the instructions of General Mahmoud Ahmed, the then head of Pakistan`s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), wired $100,000 before the 9/11 attacks to Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker. It is extraordinary that neither Ahmed nor Sheikh have been charged and brought to trial on this count. Why not?
Ahmed, the paymaster for the hijackers, was actually in Washington on 9/11, and had a series of pre-9/11 top-level meetings in the White House, the Pentagon, the national security council, and with George Tenet, then head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman, the under-secretary of state for political affairs. When Ahmed was exposed by the Wall Street Journal as having sent the money to the hijackers, he was forced to ``retire`` by President Pervez Musharraf. Why hasn`t the US demanded that he be questioned and tried in court?``
``Daniel Ellsberg, the former US defence department whistleblower who has accompanied Edmonds in court, has stated: ``It seems to me quite plausible that Pakistan was quite involved in this ... To say Pakistan is, to me, to say CIA because ... it`s hard to say that the ISI knew something that the CIA had no knowledge of.````
``Senator Bob Graham, chairman of the Senate select committee on intelligence, has said: ``I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted, not just in financing ... by a sovereign foreign government.````
Excerpts:
``Significantly, Sheikh is also the man who, on the instructions of General Mahmoud Ahmed, the then head of Pakistan`s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), wired $100,000 before the 9/11 attacks to Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker. It is extraordinary that neither Ahmed nor Sheikh have been charged and brought to trial on this count. Why not?
Ahmed, the paymaster for the hijackers, was actually in Washington on 9/11, and had a series of pre-9/11 top-level meetings in the White House, the Pentagon, the national security council, and with George Tenet, then head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman, the under-secretary of state for political affairs. When Ahmed was exposed by the Wall Street Journal as having sent the money to the hijackers, he was forced to ``retire`` by President Pervez Musharraf. Why hasn`t the US demanded that he be questioned and tried in court?``
``Daniel Ellsberg, the former US defence department whistleblower who has accompanied Edmonds in court, has stated: ``It seems to me quite plausible that Pakistan was quite involved in this ... To say Pakistan is, to me, to say CIA because ... it`s hard to say that the ISI knew something that the CIA had no knowledge of.````
``Senator Bob Graham, chairman of the Senate select committee on intelligence, has said: ``I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted, not just in financing ... by a sovereign foreign government.````
#62 Posted by taqat-e-parvaaz on July 25, 2004 5:07:47 pm
GREAT comeback arjun. you`ve checkmated me now. anyone who believes nawaz sharif, who himself admits he was kept in the dark about the entire operation, and his figures of pakistani deaths is even more stupid than him. the only reason kargil is not pakistans is because of leaders like nawaz sharif, who gave in timidly to US threats. and yes, your complete lack of reasoning in this argument shows itself again. how is it possible for an opponent who is sitting on top of you in mountains to lose more soldiers than the side getting mortars and missiles up their skinny asses below you? you`re obviously smarter than i thought. and i`m the one who`s deluded? hey arjun, are you bal thackarey in disguise? or are you narendra modi?
#61 Posted by Mukhlis on July 25, 2004 9:20:10 am
Shall we try to get back to the main subject of the article –Palestine- rather than drag Kargil in? :-)
“#29 by nikki7777 on July 21, 2004 6:12pm PT
# 27....Mukhlis.....All`s fair in love and war..The jews were able to turn back the clock almost two millenia and what did the palestinians do about it???...Well, the results are there for all to see......”
nikki7777.. if all’s fair in love & war.. and if Jews can turn back the clock 1800 years and occupy the land of their dreams (even though most of the Jews now living in Israel are of European origin & had never been associated with the land of Palestine in the first place) then why ask Palestinians to stop trying after only 5 decades? If all’s fair in love & war.. then I guess Palestinians have the right to wage war any which way they want…till they achieve victory too.. be it 5 decades .. 2 millenia… or 5 millenia. Would it make sense to say to a Palestinian “Yup… Jews are one determined lot heh.. got back to Palestine after 1800 years. But, hey, why don’t you Palestinians just give up on getting back to your homes, even though it’s only been 5 decades of struggle. Stop wasting time and effort & blood, it’s not gonna help much”.
The Jews didn’t let go of the dream for 1800 years but the Palestinians should understand the “reality” only after 5 decades and let go of their right to live in the land where they and countless of their generations lived?
“#33 by rahulmal on July 21, 2004 9:50pm PT
Mukhlis has posted some figures about Israeli army/militia in `48. So, 600,000 settlers were able to field an army twice the size of armies of 60 million Arabs...doesn`t show the Arabs in a very good light.”
Rahulmal.. the figures I posted were to show that the Jewish Army in 1948 was not a rag tag army as opined by you in your post #17. My post was just to show that the popular perception of a rag tag army is not entirely accurate. The ability of the Zionists to be able to field an army greater than their adversaries is a separate topic. But may be a few words on that anyway.
I guess Jews were a more motivated lot than their adversaries because their age old dream of a separate homeland was about to come true. Whereas the Arabs’ motivation was not as great as the Jews. “The Jewish immigrants were in Palestine because they had chosen to go there in pursuit of an ideal; the Palestinian Arabs, however lived there because they and countless generations before them were born there, and therefore did not have the same political awareness and pioneering motivation.”(1)
Besides, there were other factors, e.g. a lot of Jews who made up the Israeli fighting forces in 1948 were WW-2 vets who had served on the Allied side. There were 136,043 Jews who volunteered their services for the British Military during WW-2. These recruits eventually formed the basis of the Israeli armed forces.
“#33 by rahulmal on July 21, 2004 9:50pm PT
Jews lived in harmony with Arabs like Paki Hindus live in harmony with Muslims in today`s Pakistan...as if there are a plethora of options.”
As mentioned by taqat-e-parvaaz in post#35, many a times when Jews were persecuted in Europe, they found solace in Muslim countries. There was no large scale killing of Jews in Muslim lands as opposed to what happened in Europe. It’s only after the creation of Israel that things have come to this stage. “The Ottoman Empire, of which Palestine was a part at the time of Balfour Declaration, had, over the centuries, provided refuge for Jews fleeing from persecution, including the Sephardim who fled the reconquista and the inquisition in Spain in the fifteenth century.” (2)
“#33 by rahulmal on July 21, 2004 9:50pm PT
“I agree that coming of Ashkenazi Zionist Jews from Europe was bad, but not worse than coming of assortment of Turks, Persians and Arabs in India.”
There is, however, a vast difference between the scale of immigration represented by those seeking refuge from persecution, and the calculated usurpation and ethnic cleansing of an inhabited land…. A great deal of land was acquired by Jews by perfectly legitimate means, and this is not disputed, but the purchase of land in another country does not entitle one to establish one’s own state therein.(2)
(1) “The Palestine Triangle” by Nicholas Bethell
(2) ``The Palestine-Israeli Conflict`` by Dan Cohn-Sherbok & Dawoud El-Alami
“#29 by nikki7777 on July 21, 2004 6:12pm PT
# 27....Mukhlis.....All`s fair in love and war..The jews were able to turn back the clock almost two millenia and what did the palestinians do about it???...Well, the results are there for all to see......”
nikki7777.. if all’s fair in love & war.. and if Jews can turn back the clock 1800 years and occupy the land of their dreams (even though most of the Jews now living in Israel are of European origin & had never been associated with the land of Palestine in the first place) then why ask Palestinians to stop trying after only 5 decades? If all’s fair in love & war.. then I guess Palestinians have the right to wage war any which way they want…till they achieve victory too.. be it 5 decades .. 2 millenia… or 5 millenia. Would it make sense to say to a Palestinian “Yup… Jews are one determined lot heh.. got back to Palestine after 1800 years. But, hey, why don’t you Palestinians just give up on getting back to your homes, even though it’s only been 5 decades of struggle. Stop wasting time and effort & blood, it’s not gonna help much”.
The Jews didn’t let go of the dream for 1800 years but the Palestinians should understand the “reality” only after 5 decades and let go of their right to live in the land where they and countless of their generations lived?
“#33 by rahulmal on July 21, 2004 9:50pm PT
Mukhlis has posted some figures about Israeli army/militia in `48. So, 600,000 settlers were able to field an army twice the size of armies of 60 million Arabs...doesn`t show the Arabs in a very good light.”
Rahulmal.. the figures I posted were to show that the Jewish Army in 1948 was not a rag tag army as opined by you in your post #17. My post was just to show that the popular perception of a rag tag army is not entirely accurate. The ability of the Zionists to be able to field an army greater than their adversaries is a separate topic. But may be a few words on that anyway.
I guess Jews were a more motivated lot than their adversaries because their age old dream of a separate homeland was about to come true. Whereas the Arabs’ motivation was not as great as the Jews. “The Jewish immigrants were in Palestine because they had chosen to go there in pursuit of an ideal; the Palestinian Arabs, however lived there because they and countless generations before them were born there, and therefore did not have the same political awareness and pioneering motivation.”(1)
Besides, there were other factors, e.g. a lot of Jews who made up the Israeli fighting forces in 1948 were WW-2 vets who had served on the Allied side. There were 136,043 Jews who volunteered their services for the British Military during WW-2. These recruits eventually formed the basis of the Israeli armed forces.
“#33 by rahulmal on July 21, 2004 9:50pm PT
Jews lived in harmony with Arabs like Paki Hindus live in harmony with Muslims in today`s Pakistan...as if there are a plethora of options.”
As mentioned by taqat-e-parvaaz in post#35, many a times when Jews were persecuted in Europe, they found solace in Muslim countries. There was no large scale killing of Jews in Muslim lands as opposed to what happened in Europe. It’s only after the creation of Israel that things have come to this stage. “The Ottoman Empire, of which Palestine was a part at the time of Balfour Declaration, had, over the centuries, provided refuge for Jews fleeing from persecution, including the Sephardim who fled the reconquista and the inquisition in Spain in the fifteenth century.” (2)
“#33 by rahulmal on July 21, 2004 9:50pm PT
“I agree that coming of Ashkenazi Zionist Jews from Europe was bad, but not worse than coming of assortment of Turks, Persians and Arabs in India.”
There is, however, a vast difference between the scale of immigration represented by those seeking refuge from persecution, and the calculated usurpation and ethnic cleansing of an inhabited land…. A great deal of land was acquired by Jews by perfectly legitimate means, and this is not disputed, but the purchase of land in another country does not entitle one to establish one’s own state therein.(2)
(1) “The Palestine Triangle” by Nicholas Bethell
(2) ``The Palestine-Israeli Conflict`` by Dan Cohn-Sherbok & Dawoud El-Alami
#60 Posted by arjun_m on July 25, 2004 7:38:07 am
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#59 Posted by jang on July 24, 2004 5:02:19 pm
#57 by taqat-e-parvaaz
Lt Sharma being probed is indeed good. You guys also should probe and sack loser generals so that the army becomes more professional. Poor jap generals had to commit harakiris. But wait, you do make losers deal in Manure..i mean make them heads of Fauji Fertilizer Corp,right? Or for a more challengin position of Karachi Sewer Authority?
Lt Sharma being probed is indeed good. You guys also should probe and sack loser generals so that the army becomes more professional. Poor jap generals had to commit harakiris. But wait, you do make losers deal in Manure..i mean make them heads of Fauji Fertilizer Corp,right? Or for a more challengin position of Karachi Sewer Authority?
#58 Posted by arjun_m on July 24, 2004 3:51:58 pm
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#57 Posted by taqat-e-parvaaz on July 24, 2004 1:25:56 pm
for your reading pleasure, arjun. hail to the brave indian army with the biggest cojones!!
India sacks Siachen commander
ISLAMABAD, June 21: Lt-Gen Arvind Sharma vacated the command of the Siachen Corps for Lt-Gen M.L. Naidu with immediate effect, even as the court of inquiry probing the fake kills cases in Siachen continued with its proceedings in Jodhpur.
Gen Sharma became the first casualty of a scandal that has exposed the culture of fake encounters by Indian Army in occupied Kashmir and Siachen. -APP
http://www.dawn.com/2004/06/22/top13.htm
India sacks Siachen commander
ISLAMABAD, June 21: Lt-Gen Arvind Sharma vacated the command of the Siachen Corps for Lt-Gen M.L. Naidu with immediate effect, even as the court of inquiry probing the fake kills cases in Siachen continued with its proceedings in Jodhpur.
Gen Sharma became the first casualty of a scandal that has exposed the culture of fake encounters by Indian Army in occupied Kashmir and Siachen. -APP
http://www.dawn.com/2004/06/22/top13.htm
#56 Posted by taqat-e-parvaaz on July 24, 2004 1:22:45 pm
`...forgot to take back.` What a convenient excuse for the miserable lack of bravery on the part of the Indian Army. Remember how mujahideen and SSG commandos stole your land from you and rained down heavy mortars and artillery on your heads for three months. HA! HA! Did your Army `forget` to fight then also? The BBC reported at one stage that so many dead Indian soldiers were coming back that there was not enough coffins to place them in. Cojones? Ha. You forget that Pakistans army is a fraction of the Indian army, yet dared to sneak into your territory and fight your soldiers. If India has `cojones` it would have fought Pakistan after the staged attack on the Parliament, where they found `terrorists` with Pakistani passports! hahahaa. You`re not fooling anyone `Arjun`.
#55 Posted by arjun_m on July 24, 2004 9:41:18 am
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#54 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on July 24, 2004 8:39:38 am
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#53 Posted by jang on July 24, 2004 8:39:37 am
#52 by taqat-e-parvaaz
have you read a book by Bahl called Bunker #13? you will love it. it has (fictinalized) description of cordon-and-search operations by indian army dogs (quote from the book), mass rapes and other HR violations. its a must read for every indian and pakistani. unfortunately its a very poorly writtern book.
also, does one fight an awac vs awac? how so, pls explain (not you, someone else with more expertize hopefully).
have you read a book by Bahl called Bunker #13? you will love it. it has (fictinalized) description of cordon-and-search operations by indian army dogs (quote from the book), mass rapes and other HR violations. its a must read for every indian and pakistani. unfortunately its a very poorly writtern book.
also, does one fight an awac vs awac? how so, pls explain (not you, someone else with more expertize hopefully).
#52 Posted by taqat-e-parvaaz on July 23, 2004 9:44:44 pm
i was referring to the kargil ass kicking from a pakistani perspective my friend. i would rather drown than be an indian.
mr harish, if you are implying that pakistan has seen ethnic cleansing on the scale of gujrat and bombay than you`re severely deluded. i severely doubt that hindus in india are more unsafe than their muslim counterparts in india. pakistan will never see the rise of crazed fanatics like the RSS, the bajrang dal, and the shiv sena. sorry. never will hindus in pakistan be dragged out into the streets, beaten, and chopped into pieces. never in pakistan will hindu women be gang raped by muslim men and then stabbed repeatedly. never will pregnant women have their fetuses ripped out and killed violently. hurray for india`s secularism! these are all incidents that have occured in the past gujrat. arundhati roy herself has raised these in her last book. so dont compare the status of minorities in pakistan to the minorities in india. your so called secular society is secular only around the edges. the core of it is filled with hate and hindutva. the `saffronization` of india. i only pray that the narendra modi rots in the pits of hell for eternity or is shot dead by one of his own guards while defecating.
rahul, sorry to say this but pakistan has maintained a principled stand on kashmir. its a known fact that pakistan has a considerable advantage in this situation, but has foolishly not been able to leverage it properly. The great Eqbal Ahmed once wrote, ``Its (India) moral isolation on kashmir is nearly total, and unlikely to be overcome by military means or political manipulation. New Delhi commands not a shred of legitimacy among Kashmiri Muslims.`` Probably the result of drunken indian troops savaging entire villages of kashmiris and raping young kashmiri women. when the kashmiris fight back its insurgency. insurgency!! in their own country. ha! who the hell is india fooling?
mr harish, if you are implying that pakistan has seen ethnic cleansing on the scale of gujrat and bombay than you`re severely deluded. i severely doubt that hindus in india are more unsafe than their muslim counterparts in india. pakistan will never see the rise of crazed fanatics like the RSS, the bajrang dal, and the shiv sena. sorry. never will hindus in pakistan be dragged out into the streets, beaten, and chopped into pieces. never in pakistan will hindu women be gang raped by muslim men and then stabbed repeatedly. never will pregnant women have their fetuses ripped out and killed violently. hurray for india`s secularism! these are all incidents that have occured in the past gujrat. arundhati roy herself has raised these in her last book. so dont compare the status of minorities in pakistan to the minorities in india. your so called secular society is secular only around the edges. the core of it is filled with hate and hindutva. the `saffronization` of india. i only pray that the narendra modi rots in the pits of hell for eternity or is shot dead by one of his own guards while defecating.
rahul, sorry to say this but pakistan has maintained a principled stand on kashmir. its a known fact that pakistan has a considerable advantage in this situation, but has foolishly not been able to leverage it properly. The great Eqbal Ahmed once wrote, ``Its (India) moral isolation on kashmir is nearly total, and unlikely to be overcome by military means or political manipulation. New Delhi commands not a shred of legitimacy among Kashmiri Muslims.`` Probably the result of drunken indian troops savaging entire villages of kashmiris and raping young kashmiri women. when the kashmiris fight back its insurgency. insurgency!! in their own country. ha! who the hell is india fooling?
#51 Posted by taqat-e-parvaaz on July 23, 2004 9:44:44 pm
and yes, mrs. harish, the awacs that india bought were lousy. the only reason pakistan makes a fuss is in the hopes that the US panics and blocks the sale. and for your information, pakistan has just recently purchased a state of the art AWACS from Sweden. so stick that in your pipe and smoke it. and anyways, if india considers itself so technologically superior, it never forgets that any misadventure will result in a whole arsenal of Ghauris and Shaheens raining on the crowded and poverty stricken streets of calcutta and madras.
#50 Posted by taqat-e-parvaaz on July 23, 2004 9:44:44 pm
pakistan army got its ass kicked in kargil right? pakistani elite SSG commandos ran across the border covering their ass, right? eat this. never mess with the pakistan army.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll...show/724898.cms
`Key peak still in Pakistani occupation`
IANS[ MONDAY, JUNE 07, 2004 09:28:32 PM ]
CHANDIGARH : A former Indian Army officer has claimed a few strategic peaks in the Kargil sector of Jammu and Kashmir , including the crucial Point 5353, were still under occupation by Pakistani forces.
Brig. Surinder Singh, who was dismissed from service in June 2001, also claimed the Indian defence establishment had misled the country by claiming it had gained control on the peaks in Kargil, where India and Pakistan fought a brief border conflict in 1999.
Singh was sacked after being embroiled in a controversy with his superiors about alleged lapses and intelligence failures that led to Pakistan-backed intruders occupying strategic features along a 140-km stretch of the Line of Control.
He asserted he had proof that Point 5353, a hill in the Drass sector of north Kashmir , was still under Pakistani occupation.
``I have evidence of this claim including satellite images,`` he told reporters.
Singh said the alleged inaction of the defence and political leadership during the Kargil conflict was only the tip of the iceberg.
``The defence establishment had misled the nation about getting every intruder out of the Kargil sector. I can give proof of this to whatever committee the new government at the centre sets up,`` Singh said, noting he had written about the matter to Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee.
Singh said he had asked Mukherjee to order a thorough probe into the Kargil conflict and issues that were deliberately hidden by the previous coalition government led by the Bharatiya Janata Party.
#49 Posted by nb on July 23, 2004 7:19:02 am
there was a palestinian in my med school class.
i`m a bit shocked at this taqat, it`s very honest of him to admit his army got kicked in the bottom.
anyway, the israelis and palestinians are still going to be at it in 1000 years, bound to happen when each side thinks they are god`s special people and no hindu/buddhist types to give in for the sake of peace. what has happened to the palestinians is unfair but what happened to the jews for 2000 years was unfair too.
i`m a bit shocked at this taqat, it`s very honest of him to admit his army got kicked in the bottom.
anyway, the israelis and palestinians are still going to be at it in 1000 years, bound to happen when each side thinks they are god`s special people and no hindu/buddhist types to give in for the sake of peace. what has happened to the palestinians is unfair but what happened to the jews for 2000 years was unfair too.
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