Farzana Versey July 20, 2004
#79 Posted by Urstruly on July 23, 2004 9:13:33 am
I am glad that Khan Sahib has divorced this woman. After all what kind of name is Jemima? For some unknown reasonwhenever uttered, it reminds me of my sleeping suit.
#78 Posted by bts on July 23, 2004 7:19:02 am
frazana:
You are one of my favourite contemporary writers. I always enjoy your writing. It`s terse and meaningful. The `Orientalism` paradigm in the British press`s coverage of the issue is handled very well. However, I feel that you are doing injustice by equating the exploitation of women in our society and in the West by regarding them as `exploitation in differen areas`. Would be glad if you can explicate your position more clearly here.
But overall, it was fun (as always..:))
-bilal
You are one of my favourite contemporary writers. I always enjoy your writing. It`s terse and meaningful. The `Orientalism` paradigm in the British press`s coverage of the issue is handled very well. However, I feel that you are doing injustice by equating the exploitation of women in our society and in the West by regarding them as `exploitation in differen areas`. Would be glad if you can explicate your position more clearly here.
But overall, it was fun (as always..:))
-bilal
#77 Posted by aslam644 on July 23, 2004 7:19:02 am
British tv channel 4 will be showing a documentary next month, about pakistani young men grooming white english girls in to sexual slavery. The programme was to have been aired this month, but police persuaded them not to, because it would have negative consequences for race relations.
The question is why people from sub-continent have this infatuation with white skin, may be it’s because ever since the Aryan invasion, the ruling classes have been fairer skinned.
#76 Posted by Soulat on July 23, 2004 3:01:25 am
#74 by Romair
hamidm #64
Right on Romair Sahib!
Any person holding a decent job or a business cannot visit Pakistan three times in a year for weeks.
This person either lives off his wife or flips burgers at a local joint. No wonder his daughter said, what she said about Pakistanis. He clearly is a great role model.
This bozo nephew of a retired air marshal obvious has serious problems and is a huge show off. Saying silly things does not make anybody funny.
He is obviously playing to the peanut gallery.
#75 Posted by soundmeister on July 23, 2004 3:01:24 am
Farzana, hot mamma? really? Geez the Mid Day pic did no juctice then :))))
Frankly dunno too much about Jemima to be able to comment. Imran is a has been. If he had any sense, he would get into a profession that demands he keep his mouth shut. So far his choices
politican, TV commentator
have been stupid. He should be a model (remember Cinthol?) or a Hindi soap actor (I am sure Balaji soap factory would be thrilled to promote cross-border harmony, maybe start a new show called ``Kkahaaaani Khan Keeee``)
Frankly dunno too much about Jemima to be able to comment. Imran is a has been. If he had any sense, he would get into a profession that demands he keep his mouth shut. So far his choices
politican, TV commentator
have been stupid. He should be a model (remember Cinthol?) or a Hindi soap actor (I am sure Balaji soap factory would be thrilled to promote cross-border harmony, maybe start a new show called ``Kkahaaaani Khan Keeee``)
#74 Posted by Romair on July 22, 2004 7:48:24 pm
hamidm #64: ``romair mian,
....... you don`t get it, do you? .......... the reason i make fun of pakistan so much is because i spend a lot of time there - this was my third trip ``home`` this year``
Actually I do get it. And I do get you also. I got you long before anyone else got you. I have always stated that you are a closet patriot, trying to play hard to get. I was just testing the waters with my comment, about your visiting Pakistan. I don`t plan to retire in Pakistan. So if you are planning to do so, you are a better patriot than me (or is it I; I can never get the grammar straight).
Aziz-Musharraf (as a civilian) till 2010, and things will be ok. Trust me........
Now over to the other issue:
``............ by the way, if you had stayed in the airforce and made wing commander you would have been worth a lot of money by now - a plot in defence pindi that was allotted for six lakh in 2002 is now worth 65 lakh !........... so while you toil to make your mortgage payment and pay your taxes, your buddies who, according to you, did not have a motorcycle to kickstart or a pot to pee in, are laughing all the way to the bank ..........``
Now this is something I do know about. My buddies, as you have rightly pointed out, are just about becoming Wing Commanders. I regularly exchange emails with them. None of them have a plot. Nor will they have one, till they become Generals. At which point, the two who do become Generals, will make a fortune (as you have correctly pointed out), and will be able to send thier kids abroad, so they can join the Chowk crowd. The remaining 95% are either running a local grocery store, as retired Majors. Or are trying hard to find a big-time safarish, so they can get into PIA (like our friend NazarHayatKhan), and become millionaires, and join the Chowk crowd themselves (instead of waiting for their kids to join it).
And whomever does not fall into that list, which is about 60% of them, are filling up my email inbox, trying to find out how they can migrate to North America and become a manager at a Wendy`s.
Believe me, there are no plots, for Wg. Cdrs.........
....... you don`t get it, do you? .......... the reason i make fun of pakistan so much is because i spend a lot of time there - this was my third trip ``home`` this year``
Actually I do get it. And I do get you also. I got you long before anyone else got you. I have always stated that you are a closet patriot, trying to play hard to get. I was just testing the waters with my comment, about your visiting Pakistan. I don`t plan to retire in Pakistan. So if you are planning to do so, you are a better patriot than me (or is it I; I can never get the grammar straight).
Aziz-Musharraf (as a civilian) till 2010, and things will be ok. Trust me........
Now over to the other issue:
``............ by the way, if you had stayed in the airforce and made wing commander you would have been worth a lot of money by now - a plot in defence pindi that was allotted for six lakh in 2002 is now worth 65 lakh !........... so while you toil to make your mortgage payment and pay your taxes, your buddies who, according to you, did not have a motorcycle to kickstart or a pot to pee in, are laughing all the way to the bank ..........``
Now this is something I do know about. My buddies, as you have rightly pointed out, are just about becoming Wing Commanders. I regularly exchange emails with them. None of them have a plot. Nor will they have one, till they become Generals. At which point, the two who do become Generals, will make a fortune (as you have correctly pointed out), and will be able to send thier kids abroad, so they can join the Chowk crowd. The remaining 95% are either running a local grocery store, as retired Majors. Or are trying hard to find a big-time safarish, so they can get into PIA (like our friend NazarHayatKhan), and become millionaires, and join the Chowk crowd themselves (instead of waiting for their kids to join it).
And whomever does not fall into that list, which is about 60% of them, are filling up my email inbox, trying to find out how they can migrate to North America and become a manager at a Wendy`s.
Believe me, there are no plots, for Wg. Cdrs.........
#73 Posted by sri on July 22, 2004 1:07:34 pm
For a white, I don`t understand what is so desirable in Brown or Black people. It must the suicidal nature of the whites to mix with them.
Vinaasha kaale.... vipareetha budhi ( Absurd/ wierd / Extreme behavior is a sign of end times ).
#72 Posted by nakhok on July 22, 2004 1:07:33 pm
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_23-6-2004_pg1_3
The Daily Times
Wednesday, June 23, 2004
‘Not the whole truth`
LAHORE: Commenting on Imran Khan`s statement that ``his political life had made it difficult for Jemima to adapt to life in Pakistan,`` Jugnu Mohsin, the publisher of The Friday Times, said this was just part of the entire story. .....
..... When asked about how Imran had married a British woman instead of a Pakistani woman despite being an orthodox Muslim, Ms Mohsin said, ``He insisted that Jemima convert to Islam though there were many misgivings about the genuineness of that conversion also.`` Ms Mohsin said, ``I think she really shouldn`t have converted if she wasn`t sure that this was the way she wanted to go and what she wanted to be.`` She said it was unfair of Imran to expect this of Jemima. .....
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_22-7-2004_pg3_3
The Daily Times, Lahore, Pakistan
Thursday, July 22, 2004
The ‘hypocritic’ oath
By Razi Azmi
..... I am told of a Pakistani who wished to marry an Australian woman without her converting to Islam. When the maulana objected, the young man contended that Islam permitted marriage to Christian and Jewish women. To which the learned holy man replied that while this was true, it only applied to “real Christians”, which the present crop of Westerners were not, whence the necessity for conversion. Yesterday’s humble immigrant has, today, arrogated to himself the right to judge the Christianity of Christians! .....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3829829.stm
BBC News
Tuesday, 22 June, 2004, 16:06 GMT 17:06 UK
..... Like her friend Diana Princess of Wales, past girlfriends of her husband always seemed to hover over the marriage.
In May 2004, one of those old girlfriends, the millionairess Sita White, died suddenly of a heart attack. Her daughter Tyrian was proven to be Imran Khan`s child in 1997.
Imran denied he had fathered the little girl until a legal suit proved otherwise. He did not meet Tyrian until she was six years old.
Jemima was reported to be ``highly upset`` about the court case, even though she and Imran are now reported to have developed a close relationship with Tyrian. .....
The Daily Times
Wednesday, June 23, 2004
‘Not the whole truth`
LAHORE: Commenting on Imran Khan`s statement that ``his political life had made it difficult for Jemima to adapt to life in Pakistan,`` Jugnu Mohsin, the publisher of The Friday Times, said this was just part of the entire story. .....
..... When asked about how Imran had married a British woman instead of a Pakistani woman despite being an orthodox Muslim, Ms Mohsin said, ``He insisted that Jemima convert to Islam though there were many misgivings about the genuineness of that conversion also.`` Ms Mohsin said, ``I think she really shouldn`t have converted if she wasn`t sure that this was the way she wanted to go and what she wanted to be.`` She said it was unfair of Imran to expect this of Jemima. .....
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_22-7-2004_pg3_3
The Daily Times, Lahore, Pakistan
Thursday, July 22, 2004
The ‘hypocritic’ oath
By Razi Azmi
..... I am told of a Pakistani who wished to marry an Australian woman without her converting to Islam. When the maulana objected, the young man contended that Islam permitted marriage to Christian and Jewish women. To which the learned holy man replied that while this was true, it only applied to “real Christians”, which the present crop of Westerners were not, whence the necessity for conversion. Yesterday’s humble immigrant has, today, arrogated to himself the right to judge the Christianity of Christians! .....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3829829.stm
BBC News
Tuesday, 22 June, 2004, 16:06 GMT 17:06 UK
..... Like her friend Diana Princess of Wales, past girlfriends of her husband always seemed to hover over the marriage.
In May 2004, one of those old girlfriends, the millionairess Sita White, died suddenly of a heart attack. Her daughter Tyrian was proven to be Imran Khan`s child in 1997.
Imran denied he had fathered the little girl until a legal suit proved otherwise. He did not meet Tyrian until she was six years old.
Jemima was reported to be ``highly upset`` about the court case, even though she and Imran are now reported to have developed a close relationship with Tyrian. .....
#71 Posted by Urstruly on July 22, 2004 10:11:55 am
So our Re-cycling plant is back in operation again after its overhaul in Pakistan. So that is where it gets overhauled,
#70 Posted by mog on July 22, 2004 9:51:37 am
Hello hamidm2, may I remind you that on 19th June you said ````............. we will talk about sex in part - IV ......... promise````. I think it was also a FV board, so please stand and deliver.
Also, if you have a 17 year old daughter, how are you a Pakistani boy?
But I like your humour. Luckily, since you are a Pakistani, ``they`` can not accuse you of being a Pakistani-basher. Lucky you.
Also, if you have a 17 year old daughter, how are you a Pakistani boy?
But I like your humour. Luckily, since you are a Pakistani, ``they`` can not accuse you of being a Pakistani-basher. Lucky you.
#68 Posted by mog on July 22, 2004 7:34:29 am
I still say that the truth lies somewhere within the honeymoon photographs that were not published. They would have shown up the age difference for what it was worth the most.
As for the rest, well.
Was this a marriage in the true sense of the relationship, or was it something else again?
I guess we shall never know.
Jemina ji did what she had to do. Vaise, does it change anything?
As for the rest, well.
Was this a marriage in the true sense of the relationship, or was it something else again?
I guess we shall never know.
Jemina ji did what she had to do. Vaise, does it change anything?
#67 Posted by hamidm2 on July 22, 2004 7:34:29 am
fv,
..........even though pakis love a good scandal as much as any other people, the imran khan and jemima saga seems to be a big non-event with most people ............... the man in peshawar, with his nada in hand, walks around all day looking for the appropriate stone to fufill his religious duties and the rest of the people are too busy worrying about where the next meal - nay, piece of bread - will come from ................ the only people talking about poor jemima is the the friday times crowd led by my aunty, mrs retired air marshall, who recently set her hair on fire and spends most of her day at english slimming parlors and swedish massage parlors ........... in the evening she returns to her drawing room to berate the khansama for putting too much ghee in the salan and lambast jemima for betraying her man and the pakistani nation ...............
.......... imran khan has turned into another non-entitity like asghar khan and nawabzada nasrullah ........... he has his camp followers and groupies, but compared to people like sheikh rashid he is an irrelevant has-been ...............nobody seems to care what he says or does ........... jemima was his best act ..........
............. but as my seventeen year old daughter says, `` eeeoooow, why would anybody want to mary a pakistani boy - they are so yucky!`` ............ having been one all my life, i can empathise with her sentiments and pity poor jemima who thought she could take mianwali out of her man ................
..........even though pakis love a good scandal as much as any other people, the imran khan and jemima saga seems to be a big non-event with most people ............... the man in peshawar, with his nada in hand, walks around all day looking for the appropriate stone to fufill his religious duties and the rest of the people are too busy worrying about where the next meal - nay, piece of bread - will come from ................ the only people talking about poor jemima is the the friday times crowd led by my aunty, mrs retired air marshall, who recently set her hair on fire and spends most of her day at english slimming parlors and swedish massage parlors ........... in the evening she returns to her drawing room to berate the khansama for putting too much ghee in the salan and lambast jemima for betraying her man and the pakistani nation ...............
.......... imran khan has turned into another non-entitity like asghar khan and nawabzada nasrullah ........... he has his camp followers and groupies, but compared to people like sheikh rashid he is an irrelevant has-been ...............nobody seems to care what he says or does ........... jemima was his best act ..........
............. but as my seventeen year old daughter says, `` eeeoooow, why would anybody want to mary a pakistani boy - they are so yucky!`` ............ having been one all my life, i can empathise with her sentiments and pity poor jemima who thought she could take mianwali out of her man ................
#66 Posted by FarzanaVersey on July 22, 2004 4:41:53 am
hamidm:
You obviously know Pakistani society better than I do, but the slice of the good life many citizens enjoy is a bit of gup-shupabout other people`s good lives. This is a trait universal to all societies...which is why the tabloid culture thrives. If you are talking about the man in Peshawar with his shalwaar naada hanging down not being concerned about Jemima, then it is possible.though I`m not too sure.
I had an interesting conversation with a Lahori,who was impressed with Sonia Gandhi and said,``Dekho,she has sacrificed so much. She should be the PM, all her education is going waste.``
``What education?``I asked. ``And would Pakistanis accept Jemima in the same role?``
``No, this is different. Jemima has a long way to go because Imran Khan has not yet acquired such a high position.``
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A Special Note to Chowk Staff:
Just wanted to thank you for unfailingly letting in abusive posts against me find their way on my boards. I thank you simply because had those notes not been published we would never know what some characters are made of. There is no better way to expose a warped mind than to let it reveal its own warts in its own words. Thanks a ton!
The `certain person` in the PS of my earlier post was kaurasach:)
You obviously know Pakistani society better than I do, but the slice of the good life many citizens enjoy is a bit of gup-shupabout other people`s good lives. This is a trait universal to all societies...which is why the tabloid culture thrives. If you are talking about the man in Peshawar with his shalwaar naada hanging down not being concerned about Jemima, then it is possible.though I`m not too sure.
I had an interesting conversation with a Lahori,who was impressed with Sonia Gandhi and said,``Dekho,she has sacrificed so much. She should be the PM, all her education is going waste.``
``What education?``I asked. ``And would Pakistanis accept Jemima in the same role?``
``No, this is different. Jemima has a long way to go because Imran Khan has not yet acquired such a high position.``
- - -
A Special Note to Chowk Staff:
Just wanted to thank you for unfailingly letting in abusive posts against me find their way on my boards. I thank you simply because had those notes not been published we would never know what some characters are made of. There is no better way to expose a warped mind than to let it reveal its own warts in its own words. Thanks a ton!
The `certain person` in the PS of my earlier post was kaurasach:)
#65 Posted by ZahraJ on July 21, 2004 9:31:40 pm
I think if there is nothing left in a relationship then the wisest strategy is to part in an amicable way. Regardless of the geography, life is too short to be dragged. I think both of them should be appreciated for being responsible adults and taking a step than dragging a relationship. As far as the children are concerned, they are the by-product of a union. If the parents are unhappy with each other then that will have a negative impact.
Often times when marriages do not have a common outlook or goal then obviously the chances of survival are quite slim. Based on the little knowledge I have on this couple, I think Imran was always more interested in his own initiatives and goals. Since he got involved in the dumb charade a.k.a Pakistani Politics, he started considering himself a demi-god. Forget about a Brit, even a sane local woman would`ve had a tough time getting along with that mindset. Only an insane would put up with that line of thought. Lastly, being a great cricketer does not warranty success in every aspect of life.
On an ending note: I find it extremely absurd to have Jemima observe the same dress code Imran`s family women were observing. There has to be some appreciation for who and what your spouse is vs. making her adopt the style/mindset of your blood relations. I simply despise this kind of line of thought.
On a very personal note, I have seen many mixed marriages in my own family(mostly amongst my cousins) and so far all of them are successful even after 15 - 20 years. An important point that stood out in all of them was the fact that both sides were open to accepting each other for who and what they were and also were interested in evolving. A few of them who married without the 100% consent of their parents would say that they had to put in 110% to save their relationship. Something else that may have contributed to their success was that none of the couples lived in a joint family system and/or in Pakistan.
Often times when marriages do not have a common outlook or goal then obviously the chances of survival are quite slim. Based on the little knowledge I have on this couple, I think Imran was always more interested in his own initiatives and goals. Since he got involved in the dumb charade a.k.a Pakistani Politics, he started considering himself a demi-god. Forget about a Brit, even a sane local woman would`ve had a tough time getting along with that mindset. Only an insane would put up with that line of thought. Lastly, being a great cricketer does not warranty success in every aspect of life.
On an ending note: I find it extremely absurd to have Jemima observe the same dress code Imran`s family women were observing. There has to be some appreciation for who and what your spouse is vs. making her adopt the style/mindset of your blood relations. I simply despise this kind of line of thought.
On a very personal note, I have seen many mixed marriages in my own family(mostly amongst my cousins) and so far all of them are successful even after 15 - 20 years. An important point that stood out in all of them was the fact that both sides were open to accepting each other for who and what they were and also were interested in evolving. A few of them who married without the 100% consent of their parents would say that they had to put in 110% to save their relationship. Something else that may have contributed to their success was that none of the couples lived in a joint family system and/or in Pakistan.
#64 Posted by hamidm2 on July 21, 2004 8:54:09 pm
romair mian,
....... you don`t get it, do you? .......... the reason i make fun of pakistan so much is because i spend a lot of time there - this was my third trip ``home`` this year ............ and in a few years i plan to retire in islamabad to work on my golf game and wreck havoc on my liver ...........of course i wish i was white and civilized, but unfortunately it is difficult to get rid of this congenital condition ..............look, even jemima dumped our swarthy man from mianwali for lilly white hugh grant - so you can`t blame me or michael jackson for hating our cursed pigmentation ..........but inspite of my disdain and loathing for the brown folks, i am resigned to the fact that i am one of them and, for better or for worse, am destined to share their misery ..............i just want to make sure the damn place is liveable and not overrun by fools, faujis and mullahs determined to ruin my handicap and state of perpetual inebriation ........
............ by the way, if you had stayed in the airforce and made wing commander you would have been worth a lot of money by now - a plot in defence pindi that was allotted for six lakh in 2002 is now worth 65 lakh !........... so while you toil to make your mortgage payment and pay your taxes, your buddies who, according to you, did not have a motorcycle to kickstart or a pot to pee in, are laughing all the way to the bank ..........
....... you don`t get it, do you? .......... the reason i make fun of pakistan so much is because i spend a lot of time there - this was my third trip ``home`` this year ............ and in a few years i plan to retire in islamabad to work on my golf game and wreck havoc on my liver ...........of course i wish i was white and civilized, but unfortunately it is difficult to get rid of this congenital condition ..............look, even jemima dumped our swarthy man from mianwali for lilly white hugh grant - so you can`t blame me or michael jackson for hating our cursed pigmentation ..........but inspite of my disdain and loathing for the brown folks, i am resigned to the fact that i am one of them and, for better or for worse, am destined to share their misery ..............i just want to make sure the damn place is liveable and not overrun by fools, faujis and mullahs determined to ruin my handicap and state of perpetual inebriation ........
............ by the way, if you had stayed in the airforce and made wing commander you would have been worth a lot of money by now - a plot in defence pindi that was allotted for six lakh in 2002 is now worth 65 lakh !........... so while you toil to make your mortgage payment and pay your taxes, your buddies who, according to you, did not have a motorcycle to kickstart or a pot to pee in, are laughing all the way to the bank ..........
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