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echoboom:
No, I do not consider myself to be god (leave that to Sai Baba!); I do not know if I believe in a God. But if I do, it is a Macro God, and not a Micro-God who keeps a running account of every act of yours and mine, including these interacts, to determine aakhrit or agla-janam.
I liked your verse. BTW, you might be interested in knowing that a giant urdu literary figure of India, Professor Jagan Nath Azad, has died. He was among the last of that once sizeable hindu breed who wrote urdu poetry. Indeed, he left a lucrative civil service career to indulge in this vocation and became a professor at Srinagar university. He was also the son of a famous urdu poet, Professor Trilok Chand Mehroom, from whom I had the privilege of receiving a few lessons.

echoboom:
No, I do not consider myself to be god (leave that to Sai Baba!); I do not know if I believe in a God. But if I do, it is a Macro God, and not a Micro-God who keeps a running account of every act of yours and mine, including these interacts, to determine aakhrit or agla-janam.
I liked your verse. BTW, you might be interested in knowing that a giant urdu literary figure of India, Professor Jagan Nath Azad, has died. He was among the last of that once sizeable hindu breed who wrote urdu poetry. Indeed, he left a lucrative civil service career to indulge in this vocation and became a professor at Srinagar university. He was also the son of a famous urdu poet, Professor Trilok Chand Mehroom, from whom I had the privilege of receiving a few lessons.

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132# deadrajput

thanks for query

Mongols were nomadic people without any literary language of their own, so they adopted Persian for official purposes, when pope sent his emissary begging them not to attack Christendom the letter he sent was in Persian. Even the name changiz khan is his adopted Persian name his Mongolian name was temujin.

Other empires Mughals Ottoman, Tatars and even the Sikhs adopted it as official language the reason you have Turkish maulana Rumi writing in Persian. The Ottomans also adopted Persian culture, one can see in old ottoman paintings governers in middle of Europe with flowing silk robes and turbans.

Just as pilgrim fathers fled England to America to escape religious persecution, many germans and Austrians fled to America because they thought Europe would be overrun by Ottomans.

In the modern era it’s English language and western culture that’s dominant, once it was latin.

Just as empires rise and fall so do languages.

aslam

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Fuzair #118

Informative but incomplete !

The Mongols and Turks are racially different people however through centuries cross-fertilization has taken place, which has blurred the racial boundries just as the similar process is taking place in Europe now.

Another important thing was the language and culture Persian dominated from Siberia in north to India in south, from borders of china in east to Austrian alps in the west.

Mongols weren’t invincible they were routed completely by Egptian mamalukes in Syria.

Dost-mitter#120

There was a bbc documentry titled storm from east about Mongols which showed they had some sort of local religion, and a deity named tengiri, not Buddhist.

Fuzair #118

Informative but incomplete !

The Mongols and Turks are racially different people however through centuries cross-fertilization has taken place, which has blurred the racial boundries just as the similar process is taking place in Europe now.

Another important thing was the language and culture Persian dominated from Siberia in north to India in south, from borders of china in east to Austrian alps in the west.

Mongols weren’t invincible they were routed completely by Egptian mamalukes in Syria.

Dost-mitter#120

There was a bbc documentry titled storm from east about Mongols which showed they had some sort of local religion, and a deity named tengiri, not Buddhist.

dost-mittar:128

(in good humour)

If you are, as you claim, a cerified Kaffir then either somebody gave it to you and you accepted [hence you recognised the authority] or you made it up yourself; in that case suspect.

MuDDatON booe-vafaa aae-gee buut-khaanON sey
OoD bUUN kay jalaa hai dil-e sozaaN mairaa.

The (idol-worshipping)* temples would , for a long long time, vouch about my devotion.
For it is my heart itself that I used to offer there, as a burning incense.

(suggesting to Allah: look at the record of my devotion and look what I gave-up for you. So be a little forgiving my Rabb);)



* is called Mushrik--Most ofthe pre-Islam Arabs were mushriks.

Kaffir: One who denys ANY deity. A complete non-believer in anyone but himself. The one who considers himself as a god. The ultimate dictator.

echoboom#127
Sorry, I am the same I always was, a certified kaafir who believes in no avtars or prophets! My worldview was always somewhat different. But still a dost. :)

Urstruly:
I am not sure that I believe in last janam. Do you?

Dost-mittar:122

``Did some quick search and it seems that the religious picture in Mongolia is somewhat mixed. Anyway, here is what I found at a Mongol site (Mongoluls.net):``

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buss inn hee 2 alfaaz kee (red vaalay) vajhay sey saray cut-&-paste mein jaan puRR gayee hai.
The discussion might take a whole different direction , so I clam up.
dost dost naa rahaa..:)

Urstruly:123

Ikk zaraa cee baat pey barsoaN kay yaaraanay gaaey
Lekin itnaa tO huaa, kuchh loag pehchaanay gaaey.

#118, thanks Fuzair that clears up things for me.

Dost: Reeeally?? I can bet that you were a witness-for hire at desi court of justice in your last janam

Urstruly#123:
You are once again making a familiar mistake. There is a difference between buddhism and (many) buddhists, just as there is difference between christianity and christians, islam and muslims, hinduism and hindus, etc. You may not recognise such differences, I do!

dost mitter

in other words buddhjism is not as peaceful a religion as it is touted out to be.

echoboom#121
Did some quick search and it seems that the religious picture in Mongolia is somewhat mixed. Anyway, here is what I found at a Mongol site (Mongoluls.net):
``Larry Moses traces the first contact of the Mongolians with Buddhism back to the 4th century A.D. By that time the T´o-pa Wei dynasty would have some influence on the Juan-juan dynasty which dominated Mongolia at that time (Moses 1977: 23-4). A later Buddhist influence is that of the Kitan in the 10th century, from which at the time of writing a stupa in Kerulen Bars Khota and the remainings of Buddha statue at Khalkhin Gol. In 1125 the Kitan dynasty falls and Mongolia reverts to a disorganized collection of warring tribes in which Nestorianism, Manicheism and shamanism are the main religions. (Moses 1977: 34-9)
It is in the time of the Great Khans that the Tibetan form of Buddhism gains influence in Mongolia. In the beginning of the 13th century Chinggis Khan conquers Tibet. The leader of the biggest empire ever was known for his religious tolerance, having Nestorian Christians, Moslems, Manicheïsts and shamans within his realm. When after his death trouble arises in Tibet his grandson is send to settle things. Allthough doing this with a trail of destruction he makes friends with Sakya (Sa skya) Pandita, the patriarch of the Sa skya sect. With these two the special Tibetan lama-patron relationship starts. Godan´s successor Khubilai Kahn continued this relation with Sakya Pandita´s nephew Phags-pa. He was kept at the Mongolian court, but more for political than spiritual reasons. By holding a representative from the ruling Sa skya pa, Khubilai hoped to realise a friendly attitude of the Tibetans. While being at the Mongolian court Phags-pa converted great parts of the ruling class including Khubilai (Fonteijn 1999: 32-4; Heissig 24; email contact Henk Blezer). So for the first time Mongolia came under major Buddhist influence, although it seems to mainly have been limited to the upper class.``
At the end of 16th century Altan Khan is in power. He meets with Sonam Gyatso, a Tibetan Buddhist leader whom he gives the title of Dalai Lama. This meeting means a revival of Buddhism in Mongolia. Later great-grandson of Altan Khan will pointed as an incarnation of the Dalai Lama, strengthening the ties between Mongolia and Tibetan Buddhism (email contact Henk Blezer). From that period on Buddhism becomes the predominant religion in the Mongolian territories and establishes a big clergy. At the end of the nineteenth century there were 583 monasteries and temple complexes and 243 incarnate lama`s would be living in the Mongolian territories, of which 157 resided in Inner Mongolia (Heissig 1980: 1; Worden & Savada). The Buddhist clergy controlled about 20 percent of the country’s wealth and in the 1920s there were about 110.000 monks, making up one-third of the male population (Worden & Savada). Moses especially emphasis the negative impact of this clergy:`` [http://mongoluls.net/shashin/monrelihis.shtml]

dost-mittar:120

The Mongols of Chinghiz Khan were not Budhists. They worshipped the Blue-Sky [``lajvard] as their god because it was ``unending`` (infinite). These are the same people who crossed-over, via Berring-strait into the western coast of USA , now called ``Indians``. Although not all American Indian tribes are necessarily because of this migration. There are Innuit and vikings as well & other various combinations.

The commies [ the worst of the oppressors] strangulated muslims and tried their utmost to extinguish Islam from the hearts of Mongols. Despite that, even today the most significant population is that of muslims in Mongolia. The stigma of hiding ones faith from officials , notwithstanding.

You will certainly be overjoyed to know that Masjids and Madressas are re-opening , under construction, reconstructed and sprouting at break-neck speed everywhere in Mongolia;as elsewhere in the world. The power that tried to stop that, is itself finished.[subhaan-Allah].

Similar is the case in South Korea and China. [The western media is not only ignorant, but criminally misleading as well --anyone who just relies on one-language/culture source is a ``modern`` jaahil]. Remember! They will never ever give upbeat reports about muslims and Islam. Such info. will depress their viewers/readers. The commercials/advert. will lose the glitter.