Bhaiya, Malhar Sunao

#178 by hamid_81 on August 26, 2004 6:39pm PT

Norah Joans is hot! I have heard a lot about Begum Rais Khan as well- she is supposed to be even hotter. Have you heard her moan in Shankara when her Sitar is played by Rais Khan`s tabalchi??

BalluKhan. Your language doesn`t befit a Ustad of your caliber. But I gues you are just one of those low-life randi baaz sort of people who don`t care about their outlook. But good! That tells me alot about you. And please I unlike you have a girlfriend to spend my nights comfortably with rather than jerk off anywhere in anyway. You on the other hand might try dating. Or better still Johnson and Johnson baby lotion. Helps alot. LOL. Secondly I would love to have a go at Nora Jones the ill-legitimate daughter of Ravi Shankar. Ill-legitimate? Hmmm I wonder. The Hindu Pandits were supposed to be ``good``. Ravi Shankar is really ``Hindu-trash``. And you are ``Muslim-trash``, who should only be discarded out of the society.
And yeah, I still have something that works and I can jerk off with it. How about you? How old are you?

Ok Noora Pehalwan- you can jerk off on your fantasies about your Sitar Kushti with Ravi Shankar on this Board and proclaim yourself to be “Rustum-e-Hind”.

Lol!!

Unfortunately i don`t have the equipment to record a taan.

And Mr. harish_hyd. Yes that is why people take notice of my playing and laugh at Ravi Shankar. Not the ones who don`t know anything about music, and neither the ones who know Ravi Shankar becaue of his association with beatles. But the ones who know what is being played and how it is being played. The truth is Ravi Shankar sucks and so does is his daughter. He is just not good and there are definetly far far better sitarists out there. Even a ten year old can make better coherence with sitar.

#173 by ballukhan on August 19, 2004 8:43pm PT

So Noora Pehalwaan, where is your best Taan??

#172 by hamid_81

[``a speed crazed zombie with the Sitar. `` What a great term you have given me balluKhan to describe Ravi Shankar. He really is exactly what you said. Whereas I know different kinds of taans, how to play them, and also how to sing them. So when I play it is coherent, and makes sense.]

Is that why the world sits up and takes notice when you play the sitar, while it simply ignores Ravishankar?

Stop making an ass of yourself.

#172 by hamid_81 on August 19, 2004 9:58am PT

Let us see how good you are? Give me a link to download your fastest and best tan.

``a speed crazed zombie with the Sitar. `` What a great term you have given me balluKhan to describe Ravi Shankar. He really is exactly what you said. Whereas I know different kinds of taans, how to play them, and also how to sing them. So when I play it is coherent, and makes sense. I have had the previlege of getting daad once from Ustad Rais Khan, on one of my ``Badhar Taan`` in Jaijaiwanti, in a live concert, twice from Imrat Khansaheb, on ``chut ki taans`` also during a live concert performance, and many a times from Shafaat Khan for playing Gamak ki Taan in Chandni Kedara. So I know what I am talking about. But just by listening to Ravi Shankar you can see, he just doesn`t know how to do it. Baba Allauddin taught him, how to play Sarod on the sitar. All his Baaj is ``dir dir``. All Mizrab. Nothing else. Now Rais Khan, and his baaj is solid. From taans to Mizrabs to phirat, it lacks in nothing. I don`t say it. The world does. And the world is right. I can understand your professional jealousy BalluKhan. And I feel sorry for you. But alas! Accept the facts. You are no match for him. Whether he sings ghazals, or plays the sitar, he will still be better known than you are in every way,more respected and loved by everyone who knows him.

I would just like to add to what has been said by ballukhan about Rais Khan being forced to put aside his sitar and take the help of a harmonium (better known as BAJA in these parts) for the sake of surviving in Pakistan.

It is not only `visitors` like Rais Khan that have been neglected by listeners in Pakistan, but also its local treasures, to the extent that that have been forced to take up other occupations just to earn a decent living. A good example is that of Ustad Saleem Khan Poonchwalay. He is an accomplished and award winning Sitar player. Having won many a heart with his mesmerizing performances at the All Pakistan Music Conference held at Lahore annually. He has to earn his living teaching girls the Sitar at a local college and also going house to house giving Sitar lessons.

Very often we commit the mistake of blaming the governments for such distressing lives led by most artists, what we completely ignore is the fact that each one of us can contribute positively to the plight of these musicions, not by squabbling over which launda can beat up whom.

Furthermore, its music guys, not the NOORA QUSHTI that someone should be beating somebody with the speed of their paltas, balampat/durat ki gut etc.

#168 by hamid_81 on August 14, 2004 11:15pm PT
It`s Ok if you want to trade abuses- Rais Khan is a sorry figure in Pakistan and if you want to deny this fact by abusing every one else makes you are cut into a sorry figure too.
And how did you assume I have ANY association with Ravi Shankar?? ofcourse your immature and small brain plays all those imaginary tricks with you by automatically branding those who oppose RAis Khan`s decision to migrate to Pakistan as ``spies`` of RAvi Shankar!! I have laughed at these petty politicking by these musicians- and I can only laugh at your level of understanding!
Regarding a Sitarist teaching a sarangiya- figure out how Annapurna taught Hari Prasad or Allahuddin Khan Saheb taught RAvi Shankar Sitar or Ali Akbar teaching Nikhil Banrejee or Imrat Khan teaching his son Wajahat??
And what is this Kushti and ``beating`` an 80 year old man you talk about?? There are hundreds of Sitarists in India who can do ``dir dir`` faster than any of you speed crazed maniacs- but that is NOT Classical music.
And now I think I am wasting my time trying to educate an ill mannered and un-couth kid who thinks knows all that he needs to know about classical music and acts like a speed crazed zombie with the Sitar.

#167 by Banjaara on August 14, 2004 4:00pm PT
Putting things back in context that comment was about Rais Khan Saheb`s singing capabilities- and it was a sad reminder on how he has to keep aside his Sitar and take to the besura harmonium in order to survive in Pakistan.

And I am ashamed that he is a musician, and a classical one for that matter. BalluKhan and his likes only lick the soles of those who are more influential than they are, associate themselves with Ravi Shankar and earn a living. One thing I can`t understand is that Pandit Ramesh Mishra the sarangi Nawaz, has never learned Sarangi from Ravi Shankar but calls himself his Shagird. Probably he has never met Ravi Shankar, but because Ravi Shankar is influential and can get him a reward he associates himself with RS. So does loser musicians like BalluKhan. I can guarantee any new ``launda`` from even India can beat RS and his terrible daughter in one go.

ballukhan # 156.

[In fact Rais Khan Saheb is no match even for the kids from SaregamaPa serial on Zee TV.]

This kind of arrogance would not sit easily on a Ravi Shankar or Vilayat Khan or even Baba Allauddin Khan. Ballukhan Saheb, you must be one heck of a Ustaad. I bow to your greatness.

``And again BalluKhan don`t take ``panga`` with the Punjabis. The ``anjam`` will be ``Nanga``. ..``

The ajaam is already there for all to see- you have already exposed yourself publically by resorting to such abuses!!

#164 by hamid_81 on August 13, 2004 3:19pm PT
I was interested in understanding what has the efforts of people like Mehdi Hasan Saheb has done in popularizing Raagdari in Pakistan. I just got a lecture on a common place information on how some folk forms of Northern Indo-PAk region follow raagdari music.

Coming back to Fuzon, the point that they are good is NOT the issue- they may be the best in PAkistan. My objections are that you are trying to exaggerate the actual impact of their `using` raagdar music to sell their records. This is just a commerical ploy to sell more records. I do not think any one singing taans or taking complex murkis or gamaks in a pop, rap con-fusion would `revive` raagdari music. It may rev up the sales by making it appear more `Desi` , `Ethnic` or target the Indian NRI market effectively. To `revive` classical music you will have to have Classical music `EMBEDDED`` in your culture and up bringing. You would have to formally introduce courses in Classical music in your schools and universities, you would have to allow Indian musicians to play in Pakistan, appear on PTV and RAdio on regular basis, you would have to allow Indian classical music societies which exist in every small town in India to organize Karnatic and Hindustani Classical music concerts. And finally you would have to ensure that people like you come out in open and protest when the mullahs stage anti -music demonstrations.

And to say that some regions sing songs in Raags like Sorath or Maand is to forget that folk and classical have both enriched each other- they are different in their intent but their musical structure may be borrowed from each other . However, most of the times it is the popular and folk music that has borrowed heavily from classical music (the ``Desi`` versus ``Margi`` distinction) - but I do not think that would `revive` classical music. None of these folk `tunes` follow the exactness and the discipline of the Classical music. In classical music every taan is an alankar, an embellishment which highlightens the beauty of the textual structure, and are structured pieces. Unfortunately many think that Taan-Alankaars are to be produced by doing ``YA YA`` with their JABADA like most of the crazed Paki-Punjabi musicians do.

Ballu Khan. Your knowledge about Pakistan lacks in a lot of things. Sindhis, have their own Raag system and they sing things like Kafis in Sorath, Des and Maandh. Big Sufi Saints of Sindh and Baluchistan have documented these Ragas and raginis. But that is a big discussion which I would prefer to have with a musician of a better caliber than you. Preferably of a better historical and cultural sense as well. Now to Fuzon. Again I am standing by what I said. They are good and that is the truth. If they are so easy to sing, then everybody would be singing them. But when youngsters try to sing the song they are stuck. That is when they ask what is there in the song that they don`t have. And then they are told that it is classical music that they lack. After all the film Industry in India played a big role in popularizing classical music in songs. Quite a few Bandishes and Ragaas were distorted and non-classical singers were asked to sing classical songs, so people would like them. The same in Pakistan. An effective technique. Because really nobody wants to Pay BalluKhan to sit there and sing painfully slow. To everybody it would be nonsense. Now somebody playing flashy taans and explaining what they are doing would make more sense. That is why we get called for concerts and artists like BalluKhan, well spend time on chowk on baseless Paki bashing. BalluKahn Sheb, your hatred for Pakistan is justified, just like my displeasure towards India is. But also try to do something constructive. I am beginning to think you are really a low-life.

I support jang in the sense that the whole classical music is on a revival. Of course we should forget about the Maharaja courts. There will be no more classical music that way. But what we should expect is Music Directors like A.R.Rehman and M.M.Kreem from India and Sajjad Ali, Fuzon and Ustad Nissar Hussain Khan from Pakistan blending in classical music in ordinary Filmi songs so that people get some understanding of these things. I think this is a positive revival. And again BalluKhan don`t take ``panga`` with the Punjabis. The ``anjam`` will be ``Nanga``. For your info listen to Adana by Ustad fateh Ali Khan and his sons. People like you just wish they could some day sing like this. So please be construtive, and utilize your time properly.