Bhaiya, Malhar Sunao

Well, India is a country where Muslims are a pest and treated such. There will be Ethinic Cleansing done all the time. it is just a matter of time when you become the next target.
And yes. Indians beware. You have somebody over here, who is going to write everyting that happens to Muslims in India. And again, if this would have been about Pakistan,you would have congratulated me. But now, this will always be about India. I don`t want a good rating, from Chootia Indians. I am happy if I piss them off enough. LOL
Seeing them Squirm like this makes me feel great. Keep up the SQUIRMING and I promise to keep writing things that will keep you Squirming more.
H

HP #46,

Please, spare us the sermon. It would`ve been quite different if this were an
interact, and not an article. Of course we all indulge in ``mine is better than yours``
at chowk, but I would feel ashamed if the chowk editors decided to publish a
random rant of mine as a front page article. This is a collective responsiblity that
we all need to be aware of.

This article is wrong on facts and fails on every single count of literary criterion,
hence it shouldn`t have appeared. At best it is a third rate propaganda piece.
It would, however, be a perfectly acceptable interact or ilog entry, in my opinion.

Hamid_81 #42,

``Like India.At least Pakistan does not take party in violence in Palestine``

As several people have said, educate yourself more on issues before talking
about them. On second thought, forget it.

By the way, the picture you keep pointing out (for deeply humane reasons, I am
certain) is that of Qutbuddin Ansari. He is alive and well, and has relocated to Calcutta
(which I really hope he didn`t have to). You may want to look up these url`s. His case
was actually followed widely across the Indian press.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/525354.cms
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20021212/nation.htm

It really is a good idea to read up a little on Lucknow-Gujarat distances, HIV/AIDS
and other assorted things before writing about them. The fact that Temple-wallas
liked it isn`t a credible defence.

HP:

considering that your post calling sadna a whore didn`t get deleted right away, your current one won`t be deleted either.

my note to the specific chowk editor was tongue-in-cheek, if the editors read this, they will know what i mean. it was a reference to something private which will not be understood here. it was not to question why this story was published here.

i have no problem with the young hamid writing a story about gujarat. but only an ignorant person would write something about kama sutra being practiced on someone in the act of rape. kama is love, and regardless of our sensibilities when it comes to sex or the kama sutra, the equating of kama to rape is frankly ridiculous. hamid had already expressed his disgust for hindus long before this story was published. and quite frankly it shows in this piece. it shows without even having that prior knowledge.

india is not the most pious country in the world, and there are hindus who decried what happened in gujarat, plenty of them. are we going to dismiss those people as ones who don`t matter? as ones who don`t know where the fault lies? what narrow-minded opinions do people of your ilk have of ALL hindus anyway? even i don`t blame the entire muslim population of pakistan for the rapes of christian women perpetrated by muslims, or christians murdered during church services, or practically an entire christian village being destroyed because i know that not to be true. for me to think otherwise is the height of ignorance and blame-gaming. for you, it seems to have become a part of your repertoire and life.

and here`s another fact. . .this whole conversation may not have even taken place and i would have just ignored this article and moved on, if hamid had not said that india is no place for muslims. more than a few of us christians have been told in not so subtle ways that pakistan is no place for us by muslims. again, it is not for the writer to decide what is a place for indian muslims, or that hindus who live in pakistan don`t belong there. his story may have been badly written (a sensitive subject deserves better treatment), but his defensive and offensive remarks have overshadowed even that.

and it seems rather pointless for me to indulge in this conversation any further, so i will just shake the dust from my feet and walk away. . .

so let me get this straight.

In my nearly a 8 months of interacting on Chowk, I have seen dozens of articles condemning Pakistan, Pakistanis, Islam, Muslims etc. I have seen indians and hindus jumping with joy at such articles and using these to further demean Pakistan and Islam.

Now, Chowk staff has done something out of the ordinary and published an article which supposedly bashes something OTHER than Islam. And everyone is up in arms and demanding that Chowk delete it !!!!!

Amazing hypocrisy!!!

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I think chowk editors are right - this article should be published. Let me explain...

Of course, this article full of bare-faced lies and twisted facts, raw in emotions and presentation .... and that itself tells the story. The real story is not about riots in India or elsewhere - the story is about how such events are processed and internalized by a section of people - its a reflection of their pathologies, their incessant attempt to validate a weakening ideology.

It represents a vast section of paki populace who believe in the ``theories`` and ideas presented in here.

The theme is very simple really. Like the author says - ``Pakistan is not for Hindus``, or other minorities for that matter. In this, the author states a fact which is accepted by vast majority of pakis - Pakistan is for muslims and muslims only.

Which implicates that India must be for Hindus only. It has to be - how can it be anything else? And yet - there are millions muslims living in there. It`s an huge anomaly that pakis are not simply able to process and understand. It just doesn`t fit in their scheme of things. (I remember reading an article in chowk where author narrated an incident where a paki child was confused after knowing that Salman Khan is a muslim and still living in India.)

So you see - it leaves pakis confused and invalidates their very dearly cultivated ``ideology`` ..... which in turn makes them resentful towards indian muslims ..... and hindus of course.

So when things go wrong over there, it gives pakis a huge sense of elation - things then fall into place - everything make sense - life is sweeter. That`s why the author is so very elated at the thought of coming holocaust that will wipe out indian mulsims. Because that would be the ultimate salvation for pakis. That will teach the ``traitors`` (as they view indian muslims) a lesson.

So this article makes a powerful presentation of the pathology of a people so hung up on ``Two Nation Theory``. This is reminder of what is really out there - this being the season of people-to-people contact and peace and what not. This should help calibrating your responses while you make a valiant attempt to make peace with a people full of resentment and paranoia.

Thanks chowk editor for publishing this article.

#39 by rahul_capri

To consider this author(and people of his ilk) as irrelevant would be a huge mistake. A mistake that India and the world has been making for a long time. A mistake which has brought us all to where we are today - unable to control/neutralize a monster that has grown big right under our noses.

Hi everyone. Well, whatever I have writtewn in my previous responses, nobody I see hav e really come up with facts to say that it is incorrect. Just letting me know that my story is bad; no dice. And ana, about making us Pakistani look bad. Us Pakistanis, or us Muslims are already bad in the eyes of everyone. If we help Muslims in Kashmir, then we are termed as terrorists. If the same happens in Palestine, then again we are termed as terrorists. I thank God everyday that at least my country of ethenic origin doesn`t have a military pact with Israel. Like India.At least Pakistan does not take party in violence in Palestine. Now back to India. What about the violence in Kashmir? Well, enough because I have already said this. Has anyone checked the URL I posted earlier? has anyone seen the anguish and pain on the face of the man? No.
But why is everyone telling me I should be happy with my story getting published? LOL. This has been published in many local newspapers and even in Temple Times. I have been told that it is a great story and I have been also been applauded alot. So really I do not need any sort appreciation from stuck-up Indians.
Bottom line, Muslims live like dogs in India, and whenever there numbers get to critical point, ethinic cleansing is started. They have been killed, and will be killed. They need to re-alize that.
I know a lot about India. Because my family, belongs to a certain part of India, where we ruled. But we left it. We left our money and our estates, because, we believed that there should be a seperate homeland for Muslims. That is why none of my family members were killed in the riots. We made the right choice.
There is hatred stemming out of every corner in India for Muslims. Every Villian in recent Indian movies, has to be an Indian-Muslim except for Khaki (which I think was a good movie).
And ahy should`t I write about these sort of rapes? I will. If agression happens against Muslims in any form, I will write about it. Whether it is in India or anywhere else. I will write about it. And I don`t care if lousy Indians don`t like it. I don`t give a rat`s behind if they don`t. They are hiding away from the worst reality. I have no reason to. Insh-Allah, I will write more about such atrocities.
But anyways, this piece was not intended, as a rascist piece. If I would have written the same thing in Pakistani context, all the Indians would have commended me. But, anyways, it was meant to be read for it`s other things.
But, one thing is for sure. I am writing more about this sort of thing. Again and Again I will write. And not just on chowk, but on every website and newspaper I can find.
Reason: I feel for my Muslim brothers and sisters. if there is anything happening to them, I will write about it and make people realize that Muslims are in pain and angiush.
Regards
H

for the author..i would suggest a strong dose of good literature
er, I suppose it would leave the author even more confused ... all that he needs I suppose is a daily dose of a strong laxative ... and while our author here cries hoarse over the condition of muslims in India his fellow countryman is baffled by his silence on the what muslims are doing to each other, even in Islamic countries

Hamid writes :

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How does it feel to be the citizen of a country which is part of the only three countries in the world working against Muslims? How does it feel to be a citizen of a country which supports Israel, against Muslims? You must feel very happy going to bed thinking that your tax money to your government goes to Israel so it can slay Muslims.

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What is Hamid doing studying IT in USA and planning to live there as he says in his profile. Does he realise that his college fees and taxes later on is going to support Israel !!!! Or is he planning to be unemployed and claim benefits. What a peice of hypocrite. I hope that he doesnt apply to an Indian IT company.

rahul #39

negative people provoke the strongest emotions from us because:

a) they bring out our own insecurities which we would not rather face OR
b) they speak from such depths of ignorance that it makes it difficult for the listener to remain silent OR
c) they don`t follow that adage of pointing out the speck in someone`s eye before realizing the log in one`s own (i`m sure this adage isn`t just used in the new testament). . . .

and i`m sure there are other reasons. but these are some of the more prevalent ones at chowk.

another reason is that some of us take a little more seriously than others the fact that chowk is a place for people to read, write and think. when you have people turn up who either don`t want to think, or have a deliberate agenda to be malicious because they really don`t give a rat`s ass about anyone or anything that is being discussed here, it does tend to make the thinking people go off. perhaps ignoring them will make them go away, i don`t know. silence isn`t always the answer.

forgive me for intruding on your wonderings. . . :)

#38 by nb
“chowk editors, when you publish an article of this quality”

“can you please tell me on what crieria you chose to publish this article? even the description of rape is ridiculous, intended to tiltillate. the kama sutra is all about seduction, not brute force.”

#34 by plats8
“Chowk Editors,
What exactly were you thinking while publishing this article ? I am really curious.”

#27 by ana
“oh and chowk editors. . .how good does this make us pakistanis look? (one of the editors will hopefully understand the reference :) ).”

All this article did was referred to incidents that actually happened in Gujarat!

India is the most pious country in the world. Nothing bad happens there, if it does, it is somebody else’s fault. The woman presented herself for rape. Those knife wielding guys were just hanging out there. It was the woman’s fault. (Author should have made it clear.)

Compare this to a well documented event where a pregnant woman’s womb was slit open, baby was pulled out, dangled by the mob before it was a sharp object was used to kill the baby.( Hate to even bring this up- instead of condemning horrible acts our friends are asking CHOWK admin to delete the article.)

Present facts about India= Malign India

#38 by nb

“even the description of rape is ridiculous”

How would you write the description of rape? Need more graphic and less human?

#15 by Jawahara
” So, how many times have you been to India?”

Now, you have to go to India to write about India? We have plenty of wise guys from India here who have never visited Pakistan, never even read a paper other than in English and they write about Pakistan in as authentic way as they are the personal advisors to the Govt. of Pakistan. Their hatred for Pakistan is evident from every single post on this site.
India is so sacrosanct that if somebody just mentions any thing bad about it, it hurts our pious friends’ sensibilities.

Chowk Admin, please delete this article forthwith. It is annoying our friends.
I guess if the background of the article was Pakistan, we would have had a long line of pious Indians gloating over the poor quality of life in Pakistan and the murderous nature of all muslims….

Chowk admin, please delete my post too, if it hurts some pious and sensitive people from across the border.

really makes me wonder what are the vehicles of such misinformation? if one does not know abt india one can look around chowk. mostly indian muslims are interacting here to let the truth be known and those who are termed as paki bashers and hindutva fanatics such as arjun,sadna etc. are the ones who most vociferously ask for Modi`s blood when discussion is on Gujarat on some of the Indian boards.
ana..i know this is a 20 something guy and no ..this should not be used in labelling pakis.everybody knows ..probably in their first month on chowk that urstrulys and gujjus and nikkis are irrelevant ..i have always wondered why such negative people provoke the strongest emotions from us ..
for the author..i would suggest a strong dose of good literature..like i think i have already done before..read Manto,Ghulam Abbas,Krishan Chander,Bedi,Rahi Masoom Raza and then you will realize that what you are writing is not literature..
but honestly i think it is what you write is really your problem so i am not too worried about it..

chowk editors, when you publish an article of this quality, you invite trolling-this board is awash with trolls.

plats8 #34:
Don’t act like a child. How about this, there is Bal Thakray writing from all those accounts denying these true horrific accounts. And, there is one Hamid writing from all those accounts in defense...hilarious.

Grow up and accept the fact that people may see the truth to it. And there can be people who would rather not be plain stupid objective, but actually want to accept the mistakes and try to improve their selves.

We Americans accept that what happened in Vietnam was our mistake. But there are still some knuckleheads who still think that we were just in doing so. You fall in the later category my friend. My advice, please care to reform yourself so you could be a contributor to this humanity.

Does anybody even care to read what Dalit keeps posting? Those are geniune articles most appearing in newspapers. How hard is it for one to accept anything against their country? Maybe hard enough for one to deny anything remotely possibly linking his/her country to human ill-treatment. Its pity that we think more about our culture or country and less about humanity. I wish we could improve ourselves and instead of finding objections to such articles, we try to seek the truth and accept it bravely. Change starts small, lets hope it does start...