Ras Siddiqui August 11, 2004
#17 Posted by kkkandk on August 14, 2004 11:15:17 pm
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#18 Posted by arjun_m on August 15, 2004 8:27:39 am
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#19 Posted by kkkandk on August 15, 2004 6:09:23 pm
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#20 Posted by harish_hyd on August 16, 2004 5:52:13 am
#19 by kkkandk
But what distinguishes India from Pakistan is the fact that we learnt our lessons quickly and without the gun pointed on our temples. You have yet to do it. India banned the LTTE and those who even sympathise with the Tamil cause have been hounded and incarcerated. There`s one leader Vaiko who spent the better part of the last 3 years in prison for doing so. He was released only because the POTA was repealed. In contrast, extremist leaders such as Hafiz Muhammad Saeed of the LeT and Maulana Masood Azhar of the JeM were being paid stipends even when they were under house arrest!! They still roam free and incite Paki youth to take up arms against India and kill Indians.
But what distinguishes India from Pakistan is the fact that we learnt our lessons quickly and without the gun pointed on our temples. You have yet to do it. India banned the LTTE and those who even sympathise with the Tamil cause have been hounded and incarcerated. There`s one leader Vaiko who spent the better part of the last 3 years in prison for doing so. He was released only because the POTA was repealed. In contrast, extremist leaders such as Hafiz Muhammad Saeed of the LeT and Maulana Masood Azhar of the JeM were being paid stipends even when they were under house arrest!! They still roam free and incite Paki youth to take up arms against India and kill Indians.
#21 Posted by kkkandk on August 16, 2004 11:36:06 am
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#22 Posted by jang on August 16, 2004 11:51:10 am
kkk&k
worry more about effects of x-border terrorism than morality. currently its the single biggest challenge for pakistan, dwarfs all other problems and stalls development.
worry more about effects of x-border terrorism than morality. currently its the single biggest challenge for pakistan, dwarfs all other problems and stalls development.
#23 Posted by kkkandk on August 16, 2004 12:58:53 pm
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#24 Posted by stuka on August 16, 2004 4:06:28 pm
kkandk:
Your moral arguements are cogent. Keep in mind the result of Indian meddling in Sri Lanka..a PM dead, thousands of soldiers dead fighting our own creation. As Jang says, the moral arguements are there, keep an eye on the blowback to you.
Your moral arguements are cogent. Keep in mind the result of Indian meddling in Sri Lanka..a PM dead, thousands of soldiers dead fighting our own creation. As Jang says, the moral arguements are there, keep an eye on the blowback to you.
#25 Posted by kkkandk on August 16, 2004 9:57:20 pm
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#26 Posted by arjun_m on August 16, 2004 9:57:21 pm
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#27 Posted by harish_hyd on August 17, 2004 12:21:03 am
#21 by kkkandk
[They are doing this in Kashmir, which is disputed territory. If they do it in India, it is wrong.]
And pray tell us, is Afghanistan also a disputed territory? The ISI and Pakistani Mujahideen ruined Afghanistan by creating the Taliban. Even today, Pakistan arms and shelters Taliban and supports warlords opposed to the Hamid Karzai regime. Pakistani meddling in Afghanistan is legendary.
The attack on the Indian Parliament and the Akshardham temple in Gujarat were engineered and carried out by your countrymen. The Jaish-e-Muhammad publicly acknowledged that it was behind the attack on the Parliament building.
[They are doing this in Kashmir, which is disputed territory. If they do it in India, it is wrong.]
And pray tell us, is Afghanistan also a disputed territory? The ISI and Pakistani Mujahideen ruined Afghanistan by creating the Taliban. Even today, Pakistan arms and shelters Taliban and supports warlords opposed to the Hamid Karzai regime. Pakistani meddling in Afghanistan is legendary.
The attack on the Indian Parliament and the Akshardham temple in Gujarat were engineered and carried out by your countrymen. The Jaish-e-Muhammad publicly acknowledged that it was behind the attack on the Parliament building.
#28 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on August 17, 2004 12:21:03 am
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#29 Posted by jang on August 17, 2004 6:15:14 am
#23 by kkkandk on August 16,
ok, carry on with the civility with ana etc.
we indoos dont get this at all, so we cannot participate much (except nikkii attempting some lame pangas with the suddy). untill i came to us, i did not even know that pakis are panjus, muhajirs etc. i had a vague idea that there are sindhis and pujus, and may be some gujju-memons. then meeting folks in person here was a bit bewidering, i was expecting a single-dimentional muslim-paki identity. well, atleast all of you speak urdu, the language of civility and all. we meet pathans in india all the time, and so actually we even know the accent.
ok, carry on with the civility with ana etc.
we indoos dont get this at all, so we cannot participate much (except nikkii attempting some lame pangas with the suddy). untill i came to us, i did not even know that pakis are panjus, muhajirs etc. i had a vague idea that there are sindhis and pujus, and may be some gujju-memons. then meeting folks in person here was a bit bewidering, i was expecting a single-dimentional muslim-paki identity. well, atleast all of you speak urdu, the language of civility and all. we meet pathans in india all the time, and so actually we even know the accent.
#30 Posted by kkkandk on August 17, 2004 8:02:56 am
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#31 Posted by Ralph on August 19, 2004 7:29:44 am
> The best thing muslims in America can do for themselves is to act as Muslim Americans and not as American Muslims.
That is a great point in theory but in practice, in non Muslim countries Muslims have (almost ?) never done so.
That is a great point in theory but in practice, in non Muslim countries Muslims have (almost ?) never done so.
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