Indira Gandhi Bunaam Bush!

#194 by kaurasach on August 18, 2004 1:47pm PT

People who yearn for purity only end up mummifying the histories of their ancestors. They put the collective experiences of the past communities which were themselves a product of their violent times and struggles into a preservative box- the purists want to clothe these experiences into preservatives and put them on their show cases.
In doing so they try to become a part of that history which they can never ever share. It is like the Japs who still live in jungles thinking the WW is still on. I think it is time for these purists who have this un controllable desire to participate in the struggles of their ancestors to pack their bags and go- they MUST throw away all the weapons that were used in the struggles of the past and move on with the present.
However, there is nothing one can do in letting any one to follow some Khalsa or purist Arya Samaj or some RSS faith- The issue is just DO NOT IMPOSE on others! Bhindrawale acted like a warlord- he tried to impose his own purist moral code of conduct- he even participated in the collection of taxes- he was violent and vulgar. No issues with those who admire him, praise him, worship him. Just do not let him try to control the lives of others!!!Do not let him take the powers of state.
Finally, those who forget that culture is an ever evolving entity fail to understand that the actions of the religious leaders mutated as per the circumstances of history.
So, respect the choices made by others- do not spite your own blood and the choices they make. Who knows there might be a great prophet amongst them who would tell you that the previous gurus were wrong.

``this India day parade i saw a large contigent of local sikhs waving the tri-color with more gusto than other indians``

Yup. Can`t wait till a few Hindus are killed in the midwest coz of mistaken identity. Wonder what flag they will fly...

KKANK

Exactly. And that is what the government did subsequent to 1984. But it is against a Bamman`s nature to ever admit wrongdoing.

#199 by kkkandk

may not be the rigtht answer, but a siege at that time was though to be more dangerous, whereas a rescuing the temple from outlaws was politically thought to be lesser of the evils. i personally dont buy the idea that IG wanted to break the ``Sikh Back``. i think that she was in deep trouble and took what she thought to be politically less costly alternative. she probably would have gotten killed either way.

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kaurasach
//..the harsh and offensive pressure from the likes of RSS, //

You blame RSS for loss/dilution of Sikh identity ..... and RSS blames western culture for dilution if Hindu identity. You blame bollywood for the the damage it`s doing to ``naadan`` young sikhs .... and RSS blames Valentines` Day for exactly the same, in this case - naadan hindu kids.

And of course - everybody blames pepsi. Pepsi is the common threat for everybody`s identity.

But the truth is - people know what they want ..... And unlike these insecure little busibodies(kaurasach or RSS or whoever) nobody is afraid of Pepsi - nobody is tilting at wind-mills - nobody has time for such bullsh!t. Nobody thinks his/her culture so weak that it can be conquered by a company that sells colored-water.

And they are right.

So kaurasach ... I don`t know what you do... if you have full time job ..... but this is just pathetic, blaming Pepsi for loss of sikh identity.

here is what i think (my read without taking into consideration all the panjab subha etc)

sikhs are and were very respected in india.

they became richer out of 3 reasons

0. sikh military hiring by the british indian and indian army.
1.large GOI spending during the green revolution (panjab got irrigated by british, and then the Bhakra Nangal)
3. hard working diaspora to UK/Canada

so the sikh developed a stronger sense of nationhood, a sense that they are better than the rest of poorer, lazy bums of india, which further mutated into separatist movement with help from IG.

Bluestar:
Like most of you I too have read Brar`s interview and was not much impressed by it. He would have been more correct if he had said that he was a soldier carrying out the order; it was not his job to question the judgement of his political masters.
I do not know how many of you are aware that a month or so before the operation bluestar, there was a siege of another gurudwara in panjab also siezed by the militants. In that siege, the govt. had cut-off the electricity and water to the gurudwara. Many of us at that time thought that this was a dry-run for what was about to happen at the Golden Temple. Why it did not and what were the real motivations for Indira`s actions will probably never be known.

191
//..It took Bhindrawala 4 years to `hijack` the gurudwara. For several months, he was outside the boundary.....where was the govt. then...//

No doubt - govt scr1wed up big time. Indira Gandhi is entirely at fault to allow the situation to go that far - where the only option left was to attack a temple. For that only she deserves what she got.

But once the situation has gone that far - what do you do? There weren`t any other viable options.

The point basically is that the assult on the Temple was not designed to be an assult on sikhism - the religion or culture. It was a military action designed to achieve some specific military results which was to drive out terrorists. Nothing more nothing less. If that was understood - then the emotional outrage from Sikhs would have been more tempered

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jang, mohar11:
My post#180 gave my perception of the recent sikh history. Many, maybe even most, sikhs may not agree with my some or all of my formulation.

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is bunty singh a dilution? if so, to what? how about bubbli, dolly or ginni?