Lahore ka Jughraphiah

ZahraJ#135
When Mr. Quraishi first came to chowk, I was hoping that the presence of a senior journalist from one of the premier newspapers of the subcontinent would enhance the sytle and tenor of discussions here. My post to him reflects that hope and expectation.

Solitude = A shiraz author of the above aricle
comment no. 50

Arthur Shiraz has written an intresting essay, yet he misses the whole point. Shiraz is on a mission to secularize Pakistan - something that can never quite happen, because it is not in the will of the people. Now I myself have written several essay attacking extremism, and following the controversial hadeeth blindly - yet I never considered that Pakistan or any other Muslim country should be rid of its Islamic heritage.
Arthur I have to question your conclusions that somehow Islam is responsible for the tragedies occuring in the Muslim world today. comments like `lets westernize Pakistan` are met with equally greater suspicion as to the objectives of the West. So I have to label your comments irresponsible at the least, and unpractical.
But i think its fair that we here on chowk enjoy an oppurtunity to voice our opinions and i dont think we should attack anyones character or integrity just because he or she proposes something which we dont agree with. That is the beauty of a healthy society that Pakistan is finally starting to emerge into.....slowly but surely.

#136: Howdy. Hope you are doing well. Good to see you around after a long time.

Many of my family and relatives on my daadka side were from villages around Lahore dist. Whenever I meet a Lahori person I want to know if they belong to any of those places but it is always that they know nothing about rural Lahore and will say proudly I am from Lahore City....That is kind of strange because if you meet someone from Amritsar in USA/Canada, he is probably from a village in Amritsar dist and not from the city. Either Lahoris are afraid to admit that they or their family belong to a village or our side the villagers are more aired(hawa lagi hui:-)) than lahori villagers.

Amazing!
One lady writes about lack of certain facilities in an airport (in her i-log) and is immediately subjected to tasteless jokes and innuendoes.
And who is leading in posting these nasty comments?
A journalist from an extremely well respected rag from my country! Quaid-e-Azam must be flipping in his grave.

Dost Mittar:

Note: Please ignore him. The chap with a monkey-like behavior is not worth the attention he tries to seek on each board.

Observations, Analysis and Overall Review: He is simply jealous of women speaking their mind and identifying any issue with that system. Since he does not seem to communicate with his own family women therefore the boorish monkey does not realize the gravity of the situation. Everyone has their right to express their expectations. Please read it carefully. I am saying ``expectations`` and not ``views``. Probably, he is not exposed to women having expectations. I can see why he has been acting like a fish without water! Since he ain`t a woman therefore obviously he will not run into the issue identified by me. Well, to secure first hand information and experience on the issue, he can certainly wear the garb of Mrs. Doubtfire. I am sure everything will be on fire after that :)

By the way, I also think that it`s not 100% to do with the issue that I had identified. It`s kind of, how dare anyone else point out anything about the Pakistani System. He thinks that only he has the entitlement to point out issues by writing convoluted editorials. By the way, I reviewed a few of his editorials. There is neither any style nor worth mentioning depth in his words. None of his writing(s) exhibited any life; there was nothing in them to grab the reader`s attention. Please save your time and energy and do not read anything by him! Let him talk to himself.

Conclusion: In general, the Indian Interactors are far more civilized when it comes to exchanging their point of view as well as making a point. That does not mean that Indians are right. See there is a difference. To give an example: you may be right in your view but if you are vulgar and uncivil then you lose your audience. On the other hand, you may be completely wrong and out of line but if you are polite and civil then you are definitely worth reading and interacting. Most of the Pakistani guys (carrying the immaturity chip on their shoulder) on Chowk are nowhere near the above average standard of communication and behavior. There are only a few who are an exception.

#131 by omar_r_quraishi

“better to be a `monkey from dawn`”

…at least you are not the tampon lady… count your blessings….

2line.

Can you write and editorial…
“The Tampon disaster at the Lahore arpt… Islamic t—ist behind it…”

Dear 1line:

With due respect, I cannot oblige. It`s a top secret!!! :)

omar-r-quraishi:
I am writing this with some hesitation as it is not my place to tell anyone how to behave themselves. But I do like your generally balanced and well-written pieces in Dawn and wonder if it is the same person writing at chowk. I know that the environment at chowk is somewhat different but must we all follow the law of lowest common denominator, especially when addressing women?
Hope you wont completely ignore this appeal.

hahaha 1line -- well probably better to be a `monkey from dawn` rather than being a psycho from chowk zahraG -- as for desperation, i believe that was shown by the psycho looking for sanitary napkins at lahore airport -- and btw barrister sahib is no baby jee

Even though this is a translated article; however, `Lahore is Lahore` can never capture the essence of the Punjabi/Urdu way of saying `La hore La hore ay`.

#127 by ZahraJ

“the desperation exhibited by the monkey from dawn and his baby kkkandk, is clearly indicative of the existing frustration in the Pakistani Society.”

Wow! You do know how to extrapolate! Could you please print the formula here? Thanks.

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First of all, no one needs permission for ilog writing from any buffoon on Chowk.

Secondly, the desperation exhibited by the monkey from dawn and his baby kkkandk, is clearly indicative of the existing frustration in the Pakistani Society.

My heartfelt sympathies!

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Dost Mittar

Post # 80

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``It is customary to compare Lahore and Delhi and there are, indeed, many similarities between the two cities. The vibrant Panjabi culture of `khao-piyo-aish-karo` - eat drink and be merry - dominates both cities. Ostentatious living comes naturally to Panjabis and is as visible in the lavish parties of Lahore as of those in farm houses outside Delhi. But while the Panjabi culture dominates both cities, one cannot say the same thing about the Panjabi language. Panjabi is not the formal language of either city – it is English/Hindi in Delhi (though some road signs are in Panjabi and the language is taught in many schools) and Urdu in Lahore. ``

It would appear that these similarties are only at the surface and superfical. Khao piyo aish karo, drink and be merry is not restricted only to Delhi or Lahore, and that goes for lavish parties too.

Biggest difference (?) is that Delhi is seat of power and because of that, public of Delhi happens to be more inclined towards politics, talks more about politics, lives by the politics, thinks and discuss more politics and is more aware of politics comparatively. And of course, social issues too, to quite a degree. Only till a decade or so so, Delhi was taken as a babu city all along (most of the time, since independence).

Second, it can not be denied that there have been, and are, full fledged cultural societies, dramas, theatre, musicals and so on which have been part of Delhi or Delhi cultural scene.