Lahore ka Jughraphiah

Zahraj...

Please don`t leave it at that ... Fair about what? About Lahore? About Veeresh? About Malik99?

Please do elaborate? I actually have no such guilty conscience.... to the best of my knowledge I am completely fair thank God... if Veeresh starts posting blatant lies about Lahore... he needs to be called on them once and for all... and you know as well as I do that he is not `fair` ... perhaps much more unfair than I can be.

I am not sure what you are on about in this post.

-YLH

PS: While we are on the topic of fairness.... please do note that Veeresh ji has still not answered your politely worded question.... he has tap danced around it. I have absolutely no patience left with this ultra-nationalist fanatic anymore who poses as a peacenik at other times... it seems that he is always without exception wrong ... and the figures he produces out of his rearend are horrendous ...


Now you are welcome to be nice to him... ask him politely several times the same question hoping in vain for the answer... but I will call him for what he really is... a liar.

The wires have definately crossed on this board......

Manto:

Deep down inside, you very well KNOW that you are NOT fair. I will leave it at that.

[Bored by the ongoing discussion, I started surfing on the internet.]

This current article is definitely highlighting the Pitras B in many :)

seems the pakistan `expert` is also an expert on indian airline meals

check out http://www.airlinemeals.net/meals/AirSahara.html (towards the end -- with pics of course)

Zahraj

If Veeresh claims that I am the only one objecting here... and if Malik99 is also objecting... should I or should I not point that out? Does it matter what kind of scum I think Malik99 is? or what kind of scum Malik99 thinks I am? It is a simple fact isn`t it?



Veeresh,

There is no logic to your posts... basically. Despite repeated questions you haven`t been able to clarify...

As for Lahore-Dehli comparisons.... like I said.... We don`t want it ... who would compare an urban slum like Dehli populated by people like you who are WOGs in denial to be compared to a city like Lahore... Lahore is a city with the great past , a great present and an even greater future.... it is the greatest city of the subcontinent... and people like you are simply jealous... hence we are back to square one ... after all the millions of words you wrote...

I never started this comparison .... you did... with that ``People in Dehli speak more English... so Dehli in better than Lahore`` bit...


Do us a favor... Please don`t come to Lahore... or Pakistan... we can do without additional bigotry.... we already have MMA to take care of that department...

-YLH

well shri veeresh jee -- finally you realized that no good running around nanga -- u will find a reception committee on arrival at the wagah border or the spotlessly clean allama iqbal international airport -- that is if your visa isnt revoked -- will have to speak to sherpao sahib on that one :)

Veeresh is a middle aged, loud, self-opinionated person. Typical of any well-off Punjabi either side of the border. But the what are you Omar Quraishi? An ill mannered boor? I appreciate your exposing his lies, but your intemperate language makes me disgusted.
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Scott

Mantolives:
Refer to you mail # 53 and other mails

Please note that you do not have to defend and glorify Lahore. Lahore is a great city. The city speaks for itself. Any person who has visited Lahore (especially recently) is clearly very impressed.

I also think that comparison of cities is a stupid time wasting exercise. Lahore, Delhi, Karachi, Bombay etc. are all different cities holding different attractions for different people. A settled person from Bombay would not prefer moving to or living in Delhi or lahore or Karachi and the same goes for a karachite not wanting to move to lahore.
Stating the above, I would also like to point out that in your effort to glorigy Lahore, please refrain from making sweeping and superlative statements and in the process demean and belittle other cities of Pakistan. It also takes away the forcefulness from your other very well pointed arguments.

Veeresh/various: I understand where you are coming from. Historically, many Delhiites have a tendency to glorify Lahore. Glorification (as you may or may not know) does not require 100% accuracy or perfection. For one person, eating his roadside favorite dish may mean a whole different world to him. For the other person, it may be part of his daily routine. For the 3rd one, it may mean nothing. Now, the 1st fellow can do all the glorification he can. It will never mean the same thing to the rest. Thank you for providing a counter view on how Pitras viewed Lahore.

#73: Shut Up!

veeresh:
In my opinion, it is okay to show the pimples in a travelogue as long as one shows the pretty face as well. As an old Delhvi, I wouldn`t anyone to go to Delhi and talk only about how she was pinched and groped in the local buses, swarmed by the beggars and accosted in her car by the hijras at every major intersection.
That said, you do have a point about the Pakistan railways. I travelled by train in Pakistan only once, from Rokri (near Sukkur) to Faislabad. Rokri is a major rail juntion in Pakistan but the facilities there compared unfavourably with what would be available at a similar railway station in India. And when I reached Faislabad, the station there did not look much different from the childhood memory of a 7-year old who left from the same station 57 years ago on his journey to India. The train services on the train itself in a two-tiered AC sleeper were non-existent, compared to what you get on a similar journey in India. While this was not the much-praised Karakoram, it was also not the worst train in Pakistan.
But I would be unfair if I stopped at that and did not mention that, unlike India, Railways are not the first priority in the Pakistani transportation system. It would be like comparing a Daewoo bus trip between Lahore and Islamabad (which I did not take!) to a bus journy between Dehra Doon and Delhi on the UP Roadways (which I have and rather not talk about!). Even in a most developed country like Canada, one does not get the same kind of services on trains or railway stations that one gets in India. But this does not mean that the Indian tranportation system is superior to that of Canada.

I have refrained from making any comments on comparison between Lahore and Delhi because I said all that I wanted to say on that topic in my less-celebrated travelogues. However, here is a reproduction from it:
``It is customary to compare Lahore and Delhi and there are, indeed, many similarities between the two cities. The vibrant Panjabi culture of `khao-piyo-aish-karo` - eat drink and be merry - dominates both cities. Ostentatious living comes naturally to Panjabis and is as visible in the lavish parties of Lahore as of those in farm houses outside Delhi. But while the Panjabi culture dominates both cities, one cannot say the same thing about the Panjabi language. Panjabi is not the formal language of either city – it is English/Hindi in Delhi (though some road signs are in Panjabi and the language is taught in many schools) and Urdu in Lahore. And while the street language of Delhi is Hindi/Hinglish, Panjabi still rules the roost in Lahore. Urdu spoken in Lahore has a distinct Panjabi accent, even when spoken by the descendants of Mohajirs. Indeed, those Mohajirs from the land of Ghalib and Zauq would be aghast if they heard their progeny speaking Urdu like that Sialkotia, Iqbal.

Both cities are a dream come true for the connoisseurs of food. But vegetarians would have a somewhat hard time in Lahore; one is likely to find meat even in samosas, vegetables and parathas. If more Indians are to visit Pakistan, there is a good opportunity for an enterprising Lahori to start a vegetarian restaurant, even one that serves Idlis and Masala Dosas.


While Lahoris complain of traffic, one visit to Delhi will cure that complaint. There are many more cars clogging the roads of Delhi than of Lahore though Lahore seems to have a larger proportion of bigger, imported cars. Despite dozens of flyovers and many more under construction, Delhi is a driver’s nightmare. There are several roads in Delhi, especially old Delhi where the fastest mode of transportation is often by foot. Even the traffic sense of Lahori drivers is somewhat better than those of Delhi drivers. But one notices fewer women driving cars in Lahore than in Delhi. Indeed, one sees very few women, especially unescorted women, on the streets. But quality makes up for quantity.``
[from http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00003406&channel=gulberg&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1]

Yasser, with this final flourish, now that the dosas have also landed at Pearl Continental, I now hereby withdraw from this Lahore fixation I`ve been on for the past few days. It does seem as though insecurities run high and some people simply can not take a wee bit of truth.

If you are going there, on the veg parts, please ask them for ``pessaratoo``, ``andhra dosa``, ``mysore dosa`` and ``Rani-benoor dosa``. Also Kancheepuram idli, if possible.

On the meat parts, skip chicken. Fish, what is the local fish in Lahore, do you get surmai and halwa? If the chef can do Malwan cooking, ask for a fish thaali with bajra and jowaar roties.

Please also do ask the chef, if you go there, to try to fix a ``Tuticorin mutton biryani``, which needs to be served with fresh dahi.

(kkkandk and Omar, please continue.) The reason I withdraw is because I would like to debate this Lahore thing with you in private when I am there for the hockey matches, and maybe we can do a join report. In return, all I ask of you and anybody else, is to report on and fix the truth behind the rot on that Lahore-Wagah train, that`s all.

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````Rava masala dosas spice up Lahore`s streets!
Lahore | September 04, 2004 3:02:40 PM IST

Three Indian chefs have arrived here to spice up the Lahori palate with south Indian delicacies.

Chief Chef Balasubramaniam from Tamil Nadu, and his colleagues will cook popular dishes of Karnataka, Kerala, Andhra Pardesh and Tamil Nadu for the people of Lahore. According to the Daily Times, the chefs, who are affiliated to the Gurgaon-based ecotel hotel Uppal Orchid, are taking part in a fortnight-long food fest titled ``Solidarity with a Southern Twist``.

The festival, which starts today, is being held at the Pearl Continental Hotel till September 17.

This is a return visit from Uppal Orchid, as the two Pakistani chefs had arranged a Pakistani food festival at Uppal Orchid in March. (ANI)````

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malik99: ``....I am now convinced that debating with you is an utter waste of time.``

you will soon realize it is -- the more you `debate` with him, the more he will get a kick out of it

malik99 -- refer to veeresh post no. 76 -- what did i tell you .....

the idiot has referred to your and romair`s `input` which is a twisting of facts if ever there was one -- its not `input` shri veeresh jee but rather their proof that you love to make facts up and for a change have been caught red-handed --

Omar/74 - ah, the intrepid follow me here too, how sweet! Monday morning, no time for a cut and paste at the Department for Propaganda, Karachi? And so now you too jump on to the sweet Romair`s little red herring? Great, are we all to assume that it is official policy at ``The Dawn`` to take all Government statistics and data and press releases and accept them as absolute truth? Is there any back-up investigative or article at The Dawn on the data gathered by the 1998 Pak Govt census?

err shri veeresh jee , i think who heads the dept of propoganda where is evident for all to see -- as for Dawn accepting press releases and data as the ``absolute truth`` that isnt the issue here -- veeresh jee, when someone is caught with their pants down its good to try and pull them up not take them off completely and run about showing the family jewels -- the fact is that a census was conducted in 1998 and it was as exhaustive and credible/or not credible as the census of any country -- the issue isnt the credibility of the census (which is actually pretty credible and better than, as you claimed, not having one at all) you moron, the issue is your credibility and im glad to see that it has been torn to shreds (has been torn to shreds on the other board as well) and everyone can see you running around naked in the streets of lahore now --

``Is there any back-up investigative or article at The Dawn on the data gathered by the 1998 Pak Govt census?`` -- there might be -- come to our office in Karachi next time u do a choose to do a walkabout in pakistan and i will show you the article ...