Lahore ka Jughraphiah

Veeresh:

Has it occurred to you that the modern day Pakistanis and modern day Lahoris are just as proud of their modern day Pakistan and Lahore as you are about India. And that they don`t want to be lectured by any Indian or Dilliwala. Respect their feelings and views, only then they will respect your feelings and views.

Thank you.

Anil Kapuria

Khitta-e LAHORE teray jaaN- NisaaroN ko salaam.

Mr. Gill:
I have not commented anything at all here. If `not commenting` is considered criticism then yes I am guilty as charged. But you won`t appreciate solicited appreciation either, would you?

I just reffered you to the i-log that you might enjoy it in the present context.

I am just a nobody. No published or unpublished `work` either, but you are free to quote or unquote me as a referrence for any purpose--even as a shining example of a know-nothing.

The articles & interact here are not hugely serious stuff for me; I do not take you seriously either. So just chill there.

P.S:I never give references. I do not consider that necassarily as a sign of great scholarship or otherwise.

[(An) ill mannered boor? on Chowk???]
Naheen. Naheen. Bilkul Naheen. No way! Yeh Naheen Ho Saktaa!
Are you saying that we have a boor (with an explicit adjective) on Chowk? First of all the very thought of having a boor amongst us raises concern. Secondly, the fact that you have miscalculated the number of boor(s) and pig(s) on Chowk is disappointing. I guess I have to take it with the admin of Chowk for allowing the wild animals to roam around the fields of Chowk without proper clearance. I thought this ezine`s core focus dwelled on human ideas, thoughts, views, opinions, and emotions. :( I am deeply hurt! Ironically, the humans are getting deprived of their fair chance to be heard loud and clear; and here on Chowk, we have boors and pigs running around making a mockery of what is sacred to many humans!
This is the saddest day in the history of mankind. That`s unfair!!!

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Dear Interactors:

It`s a shame. Why can`t we discuss an issue without degrading, ridiculing and insulting others? Why can`t we watch the language that we use? Why are we so proud of our deliberate and hurtful insinuations and direct personal attacks? Why do we want to put down others?

And why, in God`s name, don`t we confine our discussion to issues pertaining to the paper and refrain from discussing personalities and making personal attacks? Can`t we be polite in our discussion? Can we give benefit of doubt to others? Let`s not make Chowk a fish market and ``landa bazar,`` for God`s sake.

Mohammad Gill

Romair/94 - I did investigate the veracity of the so-called `98 census before I made a statement about no census being held for almost a quarter of a century. If you wish to subscribe to every bit of government PRODUCED data then that is your business. I have the right to make my own judgement calls.

Anil/95 - thank you for your advice. However, in this day and age, I don`t think your advice holds good. All of us are very fast to post our views on anything and everything under the sun, and I don`t see Indians and Pakistanis holding back on commenting on ANYTHING under the sun. In any case, your question raises an important counter-question - are our Pakistani friends upset because an Indian is presenting his views? Would my views have been OK if I were American?

freethinker/103 - noted. However, I can say one thing, from the representative sample here, a sense of humour seems to be sorely lacking in modern day Lahore. No wonder, both Pitrus and Manto were from outside Lahore.


kkkandk/101 - good to note that you are a Mughal buff, please ride the morning train from Lahore to Wagah via MughalPura, see the remnants and relics of the Great Mughal Empire going about their Big Jobs and breathe amazing fine dust on the route. Enjoy the scenic Mughal architecture inspired scum filled water bodies along the way.

I have been told again and again that a great canal runs through the centre of the city. I am sure the inhabitants of Moghulpura, pride of the Moghul Empire, would want to know about it too?

Freethinker: With due respect your words disagree with your own preachings. When a writer is not extending the basic courtesy to another interactor or liar(per Chowk`s lie detecting expert) to express his perspective or view on Lahore since it`s different from how Pitrus viewed then you are up to something else. Forget about discussion or interaction.

I am sorry if your board was used inappropriately. Well, YOU invited the boars, the boorish and the retards by being an unfair moderator. You have to take equal responsibility for creating the mess. I hope you realize that. Regards.

....... here is the score

sher-i-lahore: 9, the hindoo rascal from delhi: 5


.... and will the referee throw out miss zahra and mullah echo?...... they are disrupting the game with their blathering ....... the honor of the nation is at stake and these boobs are talking about boors and whatnot !

..... lahore might not be the greatest place on earth - even though it looks a lot better if you just moved from new jersey - but what i don`t understand is why vereesh mian is so obsessed with putting it down ........... god knows we have all been to some horrible places that he has forsaken, but what is the point in fulminating against them ?........... unless, of course, you are trying to cover up some deep rooted insecurity ........... no?...... kind of like how we muslims never miss an opportunity to make fun of the elephant-nosed gods and six-armed godesses - it makes our allah mian with his white beard and kohl rimmed eyes look absolutely divine ...............

....... ylh zindabad!.......excelsior!........ and may data sahib be with you ...........

shri veeresh jee -- 104 -- bow out already

#81 -- shuddup yourself

scott -- oh im so sorry for you being so disgusted mr scott -- btw chowk isnt for the weak and the infirm as shri veeresh jee himself will tell you


zahraJ: ``Bored by the ongoing discussion, I started surfing on the internet``

good job -- definitely a better use of your time


mantolives: ``#93 by Mantolives on September 6, 2004 12:01pm PT


#104 by veeresh on September 6, 2004 7:57pm PT
Romair/94 - I did investigate the veracity of the so-called `98 census before I made a statement about no census being held for almost a quarter of a century. If you wish to subscribe to every bit of government PRODUCED data then that is your business. I have the right to make my own judgement calls.


what a L-I-A-R if ever there was one -- shri veeresh jee -- how many lies will you tell all of us to cover your severe lack of knowledge -- the census was held not over 25 years ago but in 1998 -- your assertion was proved wrong oh wise one and since you dont have the courage to admit it, one can only call you a bare(or bear! haha)-faced liar

ylh: PS: While we are on the topic of fairness.... please do note that Veeresh ji has still not answered your politely worded question.... he has tap danced around it. I have absolutely no patience left with this ultra-nationalist fanatic anymore who poses as a peacenik at other times... it seems that he is always without exception wrong ... and the figures he produces out of his rearend are horrendous ...
Now you are welcome to be nice to him... ask him politely several times the same question hoping in vain for the answer... but I will call him for what he really is... a liar.

amen to that ylh --

#94 by Romair on September 6, 2004 12:07pm PT
vereesh #76: ``thank you for Romair`s inputs on the Pakistan Gvernment Census, but would either of you like to review the credibility of that first? Please note, in one of my episodes, I did mention that while in Islamabad and `Pindi I did try to acquire maps and census data. And subsequently, I did try to analyse the credibility of this dat. The PHRC has some interestng things to say about the data and statistics. For example, just how many Buddhists are there in Pakistan today? What is the female-male birth ratio even in urban centres like Karachi?``

I am unable to understand the point you are trying to make.

yaar what point could he possibly make now -- the babajee is running around nanga and doesnt even have the sense to realize it --

#105 by ZahraJ on September 6, 2004 8:12pm PT
.... I am sorry if your board was used inappropriately. Well, YOU invited the boars, the boorish and the retards by being an unfair moderator. You have to take equal responsibility for creating the mess. I hope you realize that. Regards

yes you are so right, esp the retards who couldnt find (or rather expected to find) sanitary napkins at lahore airport -- and who thought a grown up guy being read stories by his mum was a geography-related thing

#107: Follow the instructions in post # 81. That`s it.

ZahraJ:

I apologise from the bottom of my heart for any unintentional hurt that any of my posts may have caused you. There is no moderator on Chowk, every one seems to be proud of his and her arrogant attitude. I can only hope that people might care to be mindful of what they post. Instead of insisting on not taking any thing seriously, I hope they might choose to take things seriously. When they hurt others in black and white, that should be serious. The hurt inflicted by words is more fatal than that inflicted by the sword, as the saying goes.

With regards from an old man,

Mohammad Gill

Dear Freethinker: I appreciate your kind gesture, but I think you misunderstood my point. By saying that you were being unfair did not mean that you were being unfair towards me. I am saying that you should allow another perspective on how people view Lahore. Were you only looking for pro-Lahore perspectives? I am totally averse to the gangster behavior in response to an article. That`s where you should not have encouraged the mad interactors on board. You should have tried to be more receptive to a different point of view. I know it`s hard since you must have been very passionate about the subject and Pitrus B therefore you embarked on the journey of translating this piece. Still, you are far more experienced and insightful than many of us. That`s my only point. I appreciate your contributions on Chowk. No hard feeligs. Best Regards.

Omar please don`t be worried about me being weak and infirm. I have a very thick skin as far as insults are concerned - growing up as a member of the minority kaum in Pakistan does that to you :-)
Its just that while V Jee is just another opioniated middle aged man posing as a journo, you are actually a journo working with the best newpapers around. So this smart alecky behaviour, more befitting a 17 yr old, gets to be grating and irritating.
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Scott