An Air Canada Flagging

harimau #60 you write ``In return, the people of the majority religion burn the folks of the minority religion.``

Behold the mindset of the terrorist.

Repeat after me you bloody minded numbskull: ``Killing innocent people is wrong``. ``Giving excuses for the killing of innocent people is wrong``.

When I referred to the killings of muslim families in Gujerat, I was doing that in the context of comparison with the thing this article is complaining about. By your logic, in retaliation for 9/11 muslim-Americans should have been burnt in their homes while the police looked on. Instead, ordinary Americans went out of their way to make muslims feel safe (I say this from first hand experience, and the same is true for countless other muslims in America). This is the difference between a civilized nation and a nation that has ``educated`` people like you.

Your post is clear proof that a man can get college education and be materially well off and still never get rid of the sewer mindset he was raised in.

avkrishna #64

Thanks for the support, and glad to see people like you and Ahmedzai lurking. Someone needs to keep some of the rest of these fellows on chowk honest. ;-)

As for hamidm, havent seen him around in a while on chowk (maybe he is on one of the other threads). I do differ from him in some ways (but then, dont we all!), but must admit the man used to come up with some great lines.

Dost Mitter

Hence, I think we are in agreement that this is going to be a long and unpredictable war regardless of who takes charge of American Presidentship. As in any war, the various other options, especially the political ones, have disappeared now. If the resistance wins, it means America will have to evcuate the whole middle east and along with them the whole cadre of puppet regimes will collapse. And if Americans ``win``, it means that Muslims will be subjugated for another millenia and will be reduced to second class citizens with limited rights in the future globalized world (which is already happening). This is a no-win situation for any side. In the course of this war, thus the constitutional rights of people like Shahid will be trampled upon slowly but surely. Every time the war will step to the next level they will be cornered even more. What is now starting as the trampling of constitutional rights will turn into quarantines ( already happening), forced deportations (already happening), and ultimately extermination a la Trebilinka style. Even in countries like Canada, Musilms, like Shahid, who were born and bred here are already being told to carry their passports all the time. So is the time just around the corner when Muslims will be told to sew a crescent on their front pockets? The sensitivities of the people are being slowly and scientifically being conditioned to accomodate these eventualities. One has to listen to American right wing radio for half an hour to come to that conclusion - and they call madrassas the hate factories.

I as an individual citizen of this world find myself helpless. Because of the nature of my work I travel in and out of country more than anyone in this forum, I can bet. Whenever I ride a plane the first idea that strikes my mind is that there are some people out there who are trying to blow me up regardless of who I am. Who are these poeple. What do they want? Why they want to kill me and my family. I want to know. I cannot know what drove them to this madness by bombing them. I have to talk to them. Who is talking to them on my behalf?

#60 by harimau

Aren’t you the same guy, who has been cheer leading the RRS brigade in their new found piece of history about Prophet Mohammed and his six years old wife, concubines and houris?

Now mention of elephants hurts you!

If you prefer to discuss somebody’s father on this board, it is very much possible that some would find it okay to discuss your female family members. Are you game for that too?

Ref HP #68

[Aren’t you the same guy, who has been cheer leading the RRS brigade in their new found piece of history about Prophet Mohammed and his six years old wife, concubines and houris?]

Prophet Mohammad`s (PBUH) 6-year-old wife is NOT new-found history by the RSS. Muslim historians have documented that Ayesha was 6 years old when Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) married her. Even they only argue that the marriage was not consummated until later (like around 9 or 12 years of age), as if that absolves Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) of the crime of child molestation.

[Now mention of elephants hurts you!]

Either you lack comprehension or you make connections where none exists. Mullah32 pointed out that in India people get burnt to death in their homes for the crime of belonging to a minority religion. I merely pointed out that the Gujarat riots were the direct result of the burning of the train carrying Hindu pilgrims at Godhra, a fact that you Islamic thugs never mention and the hand-wringing apologetic Hindus do not want to remember in their haste to bend over forward to be nice to Islamic thugs.

[If you prefer to discuss somebody’s father on this board, it is very much possible that some would find it okay to discuss your female family members. Are you game for that too?]

The reference to Mullah32`s father was NOT gratuitous nor was it remotely suggestive. Mullah32 had long ago mentioned how his father got into the textbook publishing business after his migration from India to Pakistan. So any comment I made is in context (though it might be obtuse to pathetic peabrained idiots like you). I don`t understand why a reference to a textbook would trigger strange thoughts in your mind unless it is because you associate that with incidents in your schooldays about which we at Chowk don`t want to know and don`t care to speculate. On the other hand, talking dirty about any interactor`s female relatives seems to be the specialty of Pakistanis when they cannot refute their opponent`s arguments and have nothing useful to say.

tahmed
//...indian after another come on chowk tossing unprovoked insults to my country or my people or my religion i dont mind speaking their language i feel like it ..//

So the indians made you do it - indians forced you to use bigoted words and racist slurs. Is that it?

Come on man - how far are you going to stretch the ``Indian Boogeyman``?

At some point - you got to assume some responsibility for your own actions, your country`s actions and your religion`s influence.

harimau #70 you write ``The reference to Mullah32`s father was NOT gratuitous nor was it remotely suggestive. Mullah32 had long ago mentioned how his father got into the textbook publishing business after his migration from India to Pakistan.``

You are a bigger fool than I thought. My father was never in the textbook publishing business. If you wish to prove you are not a fool, go and find any post from me where I say this.

(as for referring to me as mullah rather than my nick - you probably think you are being very clever. That would be true if you were a kindergarten kid, you blood-minded half-brained little man).

mohar #69 Your post clearly implies that you hold me to a far higher standard of behavior than the one you (in the past, although recently I see you have tried to change and I am waiting to see how long this lasts) or countless countrymen of yours have demonstrated even on this very board (e.g. to take an extreme case, harimau`s justification for the state sponsored murder of innocent Indian muslims in Gujrat on this board does not get any attention from you.).

I would be flattered by this sincere demonstration of the high standard of conduct on which you place me IF I did not consider individuals like harimau to be beneath contempt anyway. Now you can rush to deny this is the case - but actions speak louder than words. ha! ha!

mchowdhry#40:
``If Air Canada decides that it doesn`t want to fly you, because the check-in agent does not like the look on your face, they are perfectly entitled to decline your patronage. ``

This is news to me. I had assumed that as a federally chartered corporation and the one heavily subsidised by the Canadian taxpayer, Air Canada would be subject to the Canadian Human Rights Charter which prohibits discrimination on various specific grounds.

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I did not know that Air Canada was still receiving tax-payer`s funds. If this is the case, you are right. They can not deny boarding indiscriminately.

My original conclusion still stands. If Air Canada had been left to the mercy of the free market, as opposed to enjoying government favoritism, it`s quality of service would be far higher than it is right now.

This problem has been created by foolish politicians in Ottawa.

#34 by dost-mittar on August 17, 2004 10:19am PT
Well said!!! I have tried to explain this here but to no avail. Keep up the good work.

#72 by tahmed32
//...I see you have tried to change ...//

I have never made racist comments against anybody, at anytime - so there is no change really. What might have changed is the fact you are reading the issues more carefully.

About holding you to ``high standards`` - yes of course .... because that`s implicit in your own arguemnts.... Since you are accussing Indians about all sorts of sins, naturally you must take care not to commit the same sins yourself. If you do then you basically defeat your own argument. And all your accusations on Indians becomes hollow and meaningless.

So it`s up to you really.

Urstruly:
Are you really an optimist?
My agreement with your previous post was wrt Moore`s film and how the american media hid the facts from americans, the role of the oil barons and their links and those of the key Bush people with the Saudi royals including Bin Laden family. As regards to the nature of this ``war`` I had clarified my disagreement with you. I do not believe that this is a war of the west. Why do you look at the negatives only? Didn`t you notice that very few countries agreed to side with Bush in his coalition of the increasingly unwilling ``willing``? Haven`t you noticed that even in the countries whose govts. were bribed into participation, the overwhelming sentiments of the citizens are against this war? So, this is not the civilisational war, so please let`s not make it one.
What`s the way out? This is indeed the question being asked by everyone. I think that the Americans were on the right track when they said that the key to the middle east peace lies in the resolution of the Palestinian ``nasoor``. Unfortunately, they did not keep their eye on the ball and let Aaron shred the roadmap developed by the four countries and agreed in general by both the Israelis and the Palestinians. Unfortunately, I am not very hopeful of any solution any time soon.
The more relevant question is what can someone like you do? I think people like you -namely muslims in the non-muslim world- should present a softer interpretaion of your religion, something that tahmed32 has been trying to do regardless of whether or not that is a correct interpretation. That is the kind of non-confrontational interpretation calling jihadis to be not true muslims is what is needed for survival in the pluralist societies in which we live. Also, we should do whateve we can to ensure that the christian right does not gather more political clout than it has in the US.

tahmed32:
I do not know what responsibilities shahid is not fulfilling. Is he hiding any terrorists or supporting them? As far as I am concerned, he is fulfilling his responsibilities as a citizen by ensuring that the integrity of the Canadian charter of rights is maintained.

this just shows that for all the hue and cry for canada being a great nation and following a clean foreign policy etc, all it is, is uncle sam`s b!tch. a mere data-base from US seems to trigger suspention of human right (is flying a human right?).

i blame al-queda for bringing us to this sad juncture. and not just muslims (of urstruely kind) but whole humanity will be set back by a millenium the way the things are going.

mophar #75 So you never made racist comments against anybody, you say. Facts are just a few clicks away, and here are a couple of gentlemanlike statements I pulled from you. I challenge you to pull anything that comes even close to this from any of the quadzilion posts i have written in 4 years. As I said, I would be flattered at being held to a far higher standards than you (until perhaps a couple of months ago) or many of your countrymen who show up on chowk. :-)

Never made a racist comment indeed! Knowing you, I am sure you will find another excuse for what you wrote below and keep arguing - but as for me I am through with my discussion with you. bye bye.

``your bloodline started when a bunch smelly mughal soldiers on their way to battle decided to have a little fun with your great-great-.....-great-grand-mother(she was hindu). They gang-r@ped her and thus your great-great...grand papa was born. Voila - your bloodline started. All of you pakis are born that way. Product of r@pes of hindu women. ``

and

````See - that is the real, pure red-blooded pakistani for you. He is the wolf in wolf`s skin. He doesn`t play games like other pakis do ... you know - shedding crocodile tears ... mouthing sweet words ... writing volumes about friendship with hindus ... at the same time dropping money in to Jihad donation boxes that will be used to kill hindus. ``

And I didnt have to go too far into your past to dig these gems out (April 6 2004, scholarly discussionns ``murder on helm street``)

Dost Mittar: I think I made clear what these responsibilities are, but let me repeat it - an understanding of the hightened security concerns after 9/11 which led to Shahid M. being bumped off the plane. Nowhere is this reflected in the article.

Dost Mitter

You have misunderstood me. The point I was trying to make through out my many posts was that the issue of profiling, detentions, deportations and inhuman torture of Muslims in prisons, all are just tangential issues. The real issue is the war. Now call it a war of civilizations, or war on terror, or war on colonial agression, an uprising against imperial occupation, a Jihad or a crusade, the point is that there is something going on that has upset the whole world from Norh America to Japan. What is that these two people fighting for. We have to find that out. We must stop this war and this war cannot stop until we find a political solution to the problem. A war by definition is the ultimate mean to reach a political solution. But do we know what the political problem is?