Shahid Mahmood August 16, 2004
#1 Posted by kaurasach on August 16, 2004 12:58:09 pm
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#2 Posted by tahmed32 on August 16, 2004 2:37:07 pm
kaurasach: you are too smart for us muslims. you see through everything. of course the one billion muslims (the ones from the subcontinent being of course converts from the untouchable caste, btw, and just denying our low caste) have a secret pact with the devil.
happy, oh high caste non-convert son of the great Elephant God??
happy, oh high caste non-convert son of the great Elephant God??
#3 Posted by nikki7777 on August 16, 2004 2:55:55 pm
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#4 Posted by _digit on August 16, 2004 3:09:19 pm
Shahid,
Out of curiosity, did you write to The Star, or the Globe and Mail? I would be disappointed if they wouldn`t cover this story...
Out of curiosity, did you write to The Star, or the Globe and Mail? I would be disappointed if they wouldn`t cover this story...
#5 Posted by Shahid on August 16, 2004 3:33:49 pm
The Star did cover the story as well as OMNI News. This was done primarily to pressure Air Canada to repond to my charges and build up a certain public awareness. After the OMNI segment aired Air Canada immediately sent me their ``official response`` which denied the flagging. Later, a politican who did some digging around on my behalf actually corroborated the flagging and exposed the cover-up. I`m in the process of determining who placed the flag on me in the first place and will, at that point, determine what action to take.
#6 Posted by dost_mittar on August 16, 2004 5:01:26 pm
Shahid:
Have you yet contacted Transport Canada`s ombudsman appointed last year to deal with the passengers` complaints.
I am totally surprised by the 15-20% figure of flagging quoted by you. I would have expected the media to pick it up as a major story. And it certainly cannot help a company facing bankruptcy to lose so many passengers because of govt. regulations.
Have you yet contacted Transport Canada`s ombudsman appointed last year to deal with the passengers` complaints.
I am totally surprised by the 15-20% figure of flagging quoted by you. I would have expected the media to pick it up as a major story. And it certainly cannot help a company facing bankruptcy to lose so many passengers because of govt. regulations.
#7 Posted by veeresh on August 16, 2004 6:11:02 pm
Frankly, I don`t know what Shahid is getting upset about.
a) The drive from Vancouver BC to Victoria, and if you add the ferry parts, go around to Seattle through the Juan de Fuca Strits, these are extremely lovely compared to a boring flight, and these are elements for which I would come from India.
b) Getting denied a ticket for short journeys is no big deal anymore, in many parts of the world, especially if you are buying tickets ``on the spot``. Can you imagine trying to buy a ticket from, say, Kuwait to Dammam? Or maybe from Delhi to Lahore?
The answers, my Dear Shahid, lie in the folds of our kismet.
They, the answers and the questions, lie in the way we have tried to demand equality wih other societies while denying it to our own.
Can you imagine how hypocritical some of your questions appear to the average Joe Canadian Government person?
a) The drive from Vancouver BC to Victoria, and if you add the ferry parts, go around to Seattle through the Juan de Fuca Strits, these are extremely lovely compared to a boring flight, and these are elements for which I would come from India.
b) Getting denied a ticket for short journeys is no big deal anymore, in many parts of the world, especially if you are buying tickets ``on the spot``. Can you imagine trying to buy a ticket from, say, Kuwait to Dammam? Or maybe from Delhi to Lahore?
The answers, my Dear Shahid, lie in the folds of our kismet.
They, the answers and the questions, lie in the way we have tried to demand equality wih other societies while denying it to our own.
Can you imagine how hypocritical some of your questions appear to the average Joe Canadian Government person?
#8 Posted by harish_hyd on August 16, 2004 9:57:20 pm
#2 by tahmed32
If I`m not mistaken, kaurasach is a Sikh and has nothing to do with the Elephant God. A bit too quick, were you?
If I`m not mistaken, kaurasach is a Sikh and has nothing to do with the Elephant God. A bit too quick, were you?
#9 Posted by Shahid on August 16, 2004 9:57:20 pm
#6 - Dost Mittar...it is a very high percentage and there have been a number of stories about this in the media...some counts are actually higher. The flagging, however, doesn`t reflect people who are not allowed to fly. You can be flagged but still allowed to fly...your profile, in these instances, will be highlighted for future flights. Some of the stories I have been hearing recently from journalists, lawyers, and friends are quite disturbing. As for Transport Canada they have actually denied, when contacted, of keeping any such security lists.
#10 Posted by tahmed32 on August 16, 2004 9:57:20 pm
Shahid M: Read Nikki`s post to understand the spite that fills so many Indians. And he is just one example. Look at kaurasach`s post below that to understand the mindset. And these are just two out of countless Indians who have come to chowk to demonstrate their mindset. Can you imagine any other people being so full of hatred?
Then thank your lucky stars that you live in Canada. In Canada they bump you off aeroplanes for security reasons. In India they burn you alive in your homes for belonging to a minority religion. I for one never really cared much about why Pakistan was formed until I came to chowk and understood the mindset that caused Jinnah and co to wisely decide to move away. I wish India all success - but am glad we dont have to put up with this mindset in real life.
And quit whining, btw - so what if you got bumped? Ask your parents the real problems they escaped when they made it to Canada from Pakistan (the joblessness, poverty, insecurity). it furthermore wasnt 19 white women who hijacked planes on 9/11. I would rather Mr. Shahid Mahmood have reason to complain because he got bumped off then risk another hi-jacking.
Then thank your lucky stars that you live in Canada. In Canada they bump you off aeroplanes for security reasons. In India they burn you alive in your homes for belonging to a minority religion. I for one never really cared much about why Pakistan was formed until I came to chowk and understood the mindset that caused Jinnah and co to wisely decide to move away. I wish India all success - but am glad we dont have to put up with this mindset in real life.
And quit whining, btw - so what if you got bumped? Ask your parents the real problems they escaped when they made it to Canada from Pakistan (the joblessness, poverty, insecurity). it furthermore wasnt 19 white women who hijacked planes on 9/11. I would rather Mr. Shahid Mahmood have reason to complain because he got bumped off then risk another hi-jacking.
#11 Posted by arjun_m on August 16, 2004 9:57:21 pm
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#12 Posted by twintopaz on August 17, 2004 12:21:03 am
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#13 Posted by avkrishna on August 17, 2004 12:21:03 am
# nikki7777
Your anti-Sikh diatribe is getting irritating now. If you haven`t got it by now, Sikhs are an integral part of Indian community and will remain forever so. So focus on more important issues, if you can.
- Avkrishna
Your anti-Sikh diatribe is getting irritating now. If you haven`t got it by now, Sikhs are an integral part of Indian community and will remain forever so. So focus on more important issues, if you can.
- Avkrishna
#14 Posted by nb on August 17, 2004 5:00:03 am
shahid, can you tell me what flagging is? thanks.
tahmed, you`re letting your hatred shine through. :)
tahmed, you`re letting your hatred shine through. :)
#15 Posted by soundmeister on August 17, 2004 5:00:03 am
This sort of experience is one I am really scared about. I happen to share my last name and initials with a rather well-known Kashmiri militant (that`s a nice middle ground for the terrorist/ freedom fighter divide, huh?) and I dread the day they`ll shunt me off a plane and interrogate me in my undies in the lounge. My worst fear is that I`ll be deported to Peshawar where the locals give me a hero`s welcome.
#16 Posted by Romair on August 17, 2004 5:43:36 am
I initially thought the title read, ``Flogging`` and not flagging. I hope you weren`t flogged, and were just flagged.
Contact the Pakistani MP, Wajid Khan, and see if he does anything. Or Carolyn Parish. Both from Mississauga. Both of them owe their seats to Pakistanis. We worked our asses off for one of them, and he didn`t even bother to send a thank you note. So I am really interested in seeing, whether they are all talk. Or whether they would actually do something. If that doesn`t work, then I think the 26 year old Sardarji MP, with the kirpan, may do the trick.
At the very least, you should get a couple of free tickets out of it.
Contact the Pakistani MP, Wajid Khan, and see if he does anything. Or Carolyn Parish. Both from Mississauga. Both of them owe their seats to Pakistanis. We worked our asses off for one of them, and he didn`t even bother to send a thank you note. So I am really interested in seeing, whether they are all talk. Or whether they would actually do something. If that doesn`t work, then I think the 26 year old Sardarji MP, with the kirpan, may do the trick.
At the very least, you should get a couple of free tickets out of it.
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