Gibran Bham August 26, 2004
#129 Posted by echoboom on September 1, 2004 11:14:26 am
It is these kind of news which the Secularist Musharrafs & Shaukat Aziz type of illiterates supress in Pakistan.
They know not as yet, that they are an endangering species, soon to be endangered.
Click here
these voice interviews are worth listening to.
Why has there been a surge of interest since September 11?
Sunday 4 July was American Independence Day, and a 20 ton block of granite was lowered into place at Ground Zero in New York. It`s inscribed with a tribute to the people who died on September 11 2001 and will be the cornerstone of the building that will replace the World Trade Centre.
Since the destruction of the twin towers there`s been a keen interest in America in the study of Islam, copies of the Koran are said to be flying out of book shops and significant numbers of Americans, particularly women, are said to be converting to the faith.
Sam Hardie met a group of converts in San Francisco to find out more.
They know not as yet, that they are an endangering species, soon to be endangered.
Click here
these voice interviews are worth listening to.
Why has there been a surge of interest since September 11?
Sunday 4 July was American Independence Day, and a 20 ton block of granite was lowered into place at Ground Zero in New York. It`s inscribed with a tribute to the people who died on September 11 2001 and will be the cornerstone of the building that will replace the World Trade Centre.
Since the destruction of the twin towers there`s been a keen interest in America in the study of Islam, copies of the Koran are said to be flying out of book shops and significant numbers of Americans, particularly women, are said to be converting to the faith.
Sam Hardie met a group of converts in San Francisco to find out more.
#130 Posted by DoubleC on September 1, 2004 2:16:10 pm
Gibran,
Just read you letter in Dawn (online). Keep up the good work.
To other who oppose what he says:
At least he has the guts to say such things not only on Chowk but also in Dawn. At least he is better off that most arm-chair warriors/politicians/or know it all people here on Chowk. Don`t discourage people who have more spark than yourselves.
Just read you letter in Dawn (online). Keep up the good work.
To other who oppose what he says:
At least he has the guts to say such things not only on Chowk but also in Dawn. At least he is better off that most arm-chair warriors/politicians/or know it all people here on Chowk. Don`t discourage people who have more spark than yourselves.
#131 Posted by DoubleC on September 1, 2004 2:40:24 pm
# 129 Mr. boom box.... er i mean echoboom wrote:
Since the destruction of the twin towers there`s been a keen interest in America in the study of Islam, copies of the Koran are said to be flying out of book shops and significant numbers of Americans, particularly women, are said to be converting to the faith.
How ironic..... first 19 Muslims destroy two beautiful buildings killing numerous people and then flock to convert to the same religion. I presume you read this somewhere but is there any logic in what is said? It`s like saying that Palatines started converting to Judaism after the war in that region.
Since the destruction of the twin towers there`s been a keen interest in America in the study of Islam, copies of the Koran are said to be flying out of book shops and significant numbers of Americans, particularly women, are said to be converting to the faith.
How ironic..... first 19 Muslims destroy two beautiful buildings killing numerous people and then flock to convert to the same religion. I presume you read this somewhere but is there any logic in what is said? It`s like saying that Palatines started converting to Judaism after the war in that region.
#132 Posted by echoboom on September 1, 2004 6:27:50 pm
doublec:131
It is good to ask. Thanks.
That was BBC. july 4 2004
http://cgi.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/2004_27_tue_05.shtml
It is good to ask. Thanks.
That was BBC. july 4 2004
http://cgi.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/2004_27_tue_05.shtml
#133 Posted by vertex on September 1, 2004 7:05:43 pm
doublec,
`` first 19 Muslims destroy two beautiful buildings killing numerous people first 19 Muslims destroy two beautiful buildings killing numerous people...``
The WTCs were many things, but never were they beutiful. They were an eyesore.
`` first 19 Muslims destroy two beautiful buildings killing numerous people first 19 Muslims destroy two beautiful buildings killing numerous people...``
The WTCs were many things, but never were they beutiful. They were an eyesore.
#134 Posted by DoubleC on September 1, 2004 9:56:06 pm
Echoboom:
did you read the fine print:
Disclaimer
The BBC is not responsible for the content of external websites.
I just finshed reading all post in this article and have to ask you if you are coming up with an article that explains how to get Pakistan out of the troubles that she is in? You have said a lot in the posts below but it is high time you prove not to me but to yourself that you have a solution to the problems. If you have then lets see it. If not then why be negative to someone who at least has the courage to try to make a difference?
Vertex..... to you, yes, but not to me or many......
did you read the fine print:
Disclaimer
The BBC is not responsible for the content of external websites.
I just finshed reading all post in this article and have to ask you if you are coming up with an article that explains how to get Pakistan out of the troubles that she is in? You have said a lot in the posts below but it is high time you prove not to me but to yourself that you have a solution to the problems. If you have then lets see it. If not then why be negative to someone who at least has the courage to try to make a difference?
Vertex..... to you, yes, but not to me or many......
#135 Posted by Jibbe on September 2, 2004 7:06:44 am
doublec:
well said on most accounts. I was living in the U.S. when 9/11 occurred, and it is true that during the days after the atrocity all Qurans were sold out in bookshops and online. Whether this has anything to do with a rise in converts cannot be verified - however, the American people have to be commended on their approach to actually learn about another religion and about people who had just attacked them.
The rights or wrongs of American foreign policy can be debated - and most objective analysts will agree that their have been many policies which have caused a great deal more harm than good. However, as many documents and countless research has proved - many of these policies are carried out in secret without the knowledge of 99% of the citizens of the country. For us to blame the American people - who on a whole are open minded - and are themselves a victim of paranoia, a biased media and a one sided school system - for us to blame them is ludicrous and unfair.
Injustice in the world are beyond any man`s control - and what must be admitted is the part we play and have played in contributing to our own downfall - unless we can balance both sides of the equation we can never have the answer.
Take care.
P.S. - i see a canadian flag waving on your personal page - is it fair to assume you are a resident of Canada??
well said on most accounts. I was living in the U.S. when 9/11 occurred, and it is true that during the days after the atrocity all Qurans were sold out in bookshops and online. Whether this has anything to do with a rise in converts cannot be verified - however, the American people have to be commended on their approach to actually learn about another religion and about people who had just attacked them.
The rights or wrongs of American foreign policy can be debated - and most objective analysts will agree that their have been many policies which have caused a great deal more harm than good. However, as many documents and countless research has proved - many of these policies are carried out in secret without the knowledge of 99% of the citizens of the country. For us to blame the American people - who on a whole are open minded - and are themselves a victim of paranoia, a biased media and a one sided school system - for us to blame them is ludicrous and unfair.
Injustice in the world are beyond any man`s control - and what must be admitted is the part we play and have played in contributing to our own downfall - unless we can balance both sides of the equation we can never have the answer.
Take care.
P.S. - i see a canadian flag waving on your personal page - is it fair to assume you are a resident of Canada??
#136 Posted by arjun_m on September 3, 2004 7:56:34 am
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#137 Posted by DoubleC on September 3, 2004 10:48:58 am
136 Amjum_m
Good read. I can understand everything said in your post as i have followed the same path. Being a minority in Pakistan is not a pleasant thing and one can never reach the goals they would like to achieve. There have been times when i have been frustrated by Pakistani-Muslim Canadian`s who are very vocal on their rights. I would like to ask them if the ``cat got their tongue(s)`` when they were in Pakistan and when minorities were treated badly.
If you go to the churches in Karachi you`ll notice that they have grown small as most people have moved to the west. These Christians who moved here were mostly Anglo-Indians and Goan`s of Pakistani origin. The Christians that are left behind are mostly Punjabi Christians i.e. Muslims that converted in Punjab and have moved to other parts of the country. Their numbers have increased and are considered the most vocal among Christians. (vocal for their rights) They are the ones that are now filling in the gaps that occurred by people moving to the west.
Corruption is the biggest problem that faces Pakistani Christians as this is the same problem that Pakistan faces. Bishops and priests have be known to buy cars, houses and other material things from the money that is donated to the Church. Even though Punjabi Christian priests and bishops have be known to do the same but i think the future belongs to these people. The PC`s (commonly known in the Christian circle for Punjabi Christians) are very committed in their beliefs and are the future of Christianity in Pakistan. I have a feeling that they will be the ones that will make sure that Christians in Pakistan get what they deserve.
Till then minorities will be third class citizens.
Good read. I can understand everything said in your post as i have followed the same path. Being a minority in Pakistan is not a pleasant thing and one can never reach the goals they would like to achieve. There have been times when i have been frustrated by Pakistani-Muslim Canadian`s who are very vocal on their rights. I would like to ask them if the ``cat got their tongue(s)`` when they were in Pakistan and when minorities were treated badly.
If you go to the churches in Karachi you`ll notice that they have grown small as most people have moved to the west. These Christians who moved here were mostly Anglo-Indians and Goan`s of Pakistani origin. The Christians that are left behind are mostly Punjabi Christians i.e. Muslims that converted in Punjab and have moved to other parts of the country. Their numbers have increased and are considered the most vocal among Christians. (vocal for their rights) They are the ones that are now filling in the gaps that occurred by people moving to the west.
Corruption is the biggest problem that faces Pakistani Christians as this is the same problem that Pakistan faces. Bishops and priests have be known to buy cars, houses and other material things from the money that is donated to the Church. Even though Punjabi Christian priests and bishops have be known to do the same but i think the future belongs to these people. The PC`s (commonly known in the Christian circle for Punjabi Christians) are very committed in their beliefs and are the future of Christianity in Pakistan. I have a feeling that they will be the ones that will make sure that Christians in Pakistan get what they deserve.
Till then minorities will be third class citizens.
#138 Posted by arjun_m on September 3, 2004 6:13:36 pm
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