A Case for Moderation

urstruly, the prophet osama, the jackass, and the one-eyed disciple ........

............ years ago, perhaps in my first incarnation as hamidm, i wrote this little fable (maybe it was a revelation) about urstruly leading the jackass that the prophet osama rode on his way to kandahar ..............or maybe it was osama leading the jackass while urstruly rode, chewing ganderis and spitting out the cud ..........in any case, at a dusty cross-roads on this road to nowhere, they met up with a one-eyed disciple and over a lunch of pungent goat cheese and week-old afghani nan decided to wreck havoc on the civilized world and horrible hindoos ......... the jackass heard all this nonsense and decided he had suffered enough fools and prophets and took off braying, ``astagfirullah, anouzobillah``.............. so the last time we saw this trio, they were chasing after the poor jackass in their sweat-stained night robes with towels on their heads and bathroom slippers on their feet ............

............ that was a few years ago and a lot of water has run down the euphrates since then ................... the one-eyed disciple has not been seen since; the prophet is hiding in a deep dark cave somewhere along the border between afghanistan and pakistan waiting for gabriel to bring him his next battle plans; the jackass joined the us special forces and was awarded three purple hearts and a silver star for delivering the latest issue of playboy under enemy fire and was recently appointed as the official mascot of the democratic party .............. but what happened to urstruly ?............... it seems he quickly found his way back to his cave in flint and now sits at the keyboard wrecking havoc on unsuspecting civilized folks and horrible hindoos who venture into cyberspace ............... his jihad continues .............. astagfirullah!

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Rahul_Capri

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`` Anyway,why do you think you need reassurance from stuka to believe that India is your country? ``

A valid, and an excellent question, in the circumstances.

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Wajahat

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``The Terms of OSLO were prejudiced and one sided and am Feckin ready to have an argument with any you imbibers of Right Wing Journalistic Bullshiit about OSLO being Detroyed by Arafat. It was a NonPlan to start off with.``

Oh, the paper/document/agreement on which Palestinians, who are the affected party, signed, do not know a thing about their own country or the agreement but here comes a Pakistani or a well wisher of Pakistan, who would like others to believe that a Pakistani knows more about it? And this, when Pakistan did play its own role in killing those very Palestinians whose cause today it seems to be espousing. Is this not rich come from people like that in such an emotional ........... ?

Wajahat

In my previous post I meant, Pakistan was instrumental and active contributor to .........

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While we should follow the laws and punishments set in the Quran, we should also exercise judgement; we have developed since the original texts were written and thus ...
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The Quran, my friends, is a beautiful book and it is the only reason I believe in God, and it is the reason why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. Read it, enjoy it, and see how tolerant and loving your God is, and see what he is not. He is not a God of Extremism, who dictates your every move, He is loving and just.
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The Hadeeth often paint an intolerant picture, which is diametrically opposed to those you see in the Quran - the word of God. I do not advocate not reading the Hadeeth; on the contrary I support it. So read the hadeeth and if it makes sense, as your gut and heart that God has made will tell you, then follow it, otherwise be wary. ]

Reminds me a story, dont know true or false. Mirza Ghalib was once nagged by wife into praying. When he had just started unwillingly to sit down to pray his drinking buddy appeared almost as an answer to his prayer. Mirza said later to wife that he did not want to spoil name of Allah in thinking that he was answering the prayer. The point is if I have to exercise judgement, that means there is extra-Quran entity (one or more principles, my own psyche, heart etc whatever) which will give me a standard against which to exercise this judgement then why not just adopt that extra-Quran thing? If Quran may be granted the freedom of an evolving system then why have it at all, why not have a broad education which instructs about other religions also? Why not teach about science? After all this extra-Quran thing exists in all humans? Right? And that will guide everyone? Right? Let everyone choose and pick what to believe and what not to. After all there is this guiding spirit in all of us. It will guide us in our effort.

Okay that means we can have a Muslim reneging on his former religion? Because his heart said so? Can we? Or, will such renegade Muslim face music from painters of intolerant pictures? And may be more, like some stones may be?

Question is why let camel warm his nostrils if he throws you out of tent? After all you dont need camel. Religion comes with all its baggage. At some point one has to decide that whether one wants to have any of it. Who decides which parts are good and bad? There is no foolproof plan to keep out bad parts of religion. Only science has required cynicism which can keep process of revision alive.

Wajahat

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``If the palestinians had practical solutions, access to implementing practical solutions, why the Feck will those demented people kill themselves. Israel`s serial incursions into Palestinian areas and systematic destruction of Institutions, Equipment and systems, diallows any PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS to become a resounding fact.``

Pray what Pakistan or well wishers of Pakistan have got anything to do with Palestine/Palestinians given that Pakistan/is have been quite instrumental in killing and throwing Palestinians away from Jordan? Why this holier than thou/others attitude/statement? Is it, so long it is ``we`` who do the killing it is okay but when it happens to be others who are ``retaliating``, ``we`` come out with emotional .............

``The only trait you should follow is to mind your own business and not poke your nose where it doesn`t belong. The internal political problems of Paksitan are our problems and not yours so keep off. But if you decide to poke your nose anyway then develop some tolerance and patience to deal with an opposing point of view``

Urstruly

What the hell does your post have anything to with anything I have taken issue with? Never mind. India does not have a reason to poke a nose in Paki affairs. The Americans are doing a good enuff job.

rajsingh1

The Pakistan Army has been complicit with a lot of things around the world. The question of the Palestinian refugees has been a long one for all the Muslim States and their treatment has been varied. Remember the decision lies with the Kings and Sheikhs who want cordial relationships with the West. Does that make the initial ethnic cleansing and continued persecution of the Palestinian refugees in their refugee camps by Israel any less off a fact...

Do detail your point about Pakistanis killing Palestinian, and enlighten us...

rahul,

Soothing words from people like yourself are infinitely more valuable than the rantings of an imbicile, I`ll give you that.

``Anyway,why do you think you need reassurance from stuka to believe that India is your country?``

We don`t, but it`s none too reassuring when there is suggestions to the contrary. Slip-ups like his admit to at best a hostile attitude towards a ``tolerated`` (like a toothache) community. Let`s put it this way. If a Muslim decided to join the anti-Hindu dingbat wagon (a pakistani one no less), and started talking about wiping out Hindus from India he would be lynched on the spot. Yet, when the opposite is true, it`s merely ``venting``?

sucka,

[Hey, Jinnah was an idiot. He left you to our mercy didn`t he.]

Nope. We simply didn`t follow the piper...in fact, the tune he sung was that of warning of exactly what you just ``promised`` Urstruly...

[But heck if there is a civilizational conflict between Hinduism and Islam and south asian borders become irrelevant, I know where I stand.]

Yeah, you stand with the idiots who talk about ``civilizational`` conflicts.

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[#78 by M.B.Z.Isphahani on August 28, 2004 7:07pm PT
einsteinwallah:``While we should follow the laws and punishments
set in the Quran, we should also exercise judgement
we have developed`` ]

Are you attributing this text to me? I did not write it. It is quote from the article. I do not understand rest of your interact. Can you be a little bit more clear? When I think it is clear and directed to any remarks that I made, I will respond.