Questioning the Hadeeth

Oh dear...there was a baby in that bath water!

Hadith are important in contextualizing the Quran. The Quran is inherently a book with a history that`s not self-explained. Some statements can be construed as `universal`, however references to particular places and times are also there. Hadith serve to, or at least attempt, to provide this context. Without understanding context of Hadith or Quran, of course things will seem `contradictory`.

Hadith meet stringent criteria, and should at the very least be cross-checked with Quran to see if WE can make sense out of them. These are small snippets of history, not a coherent or cohesive body of work. Our big sin is to take such things and place meanings on them which may not have been intended!!!

Consider for example the ``requirement`` for beard. I`ve heard all sorts of idiot explanations as to why this was commanded. It`s healthy, serves as protection against enemy swords, wards off warts (well, maybe it does!), etc. There are idiot web-sites dedicated to the magical properties of beards. Why was beard ``commanded``? Hadith provide an answer: fashion of those hostile to Muslims was to have long mustache and trimmed beards. To distinguish themselves from enemy on the battle field, and have the fashion remain, the Prophet *suggested* that the men trim the mustache and grow the beard.

Wow. That actually makes sense, and we can presume that not all people had beards...this was probably one of those suggestions that was made off hand to serve a need, but was elevated to status of mandatory practice by people who refuse to see the bigger picture.

Sattar # 6 - you wrote ``Ahmadis base their understanding of Islam on Quran``

Not so fast! Before you jump to embrace quran and start killing anyone for your ``love`` of quran in a typical qadiyani hypocratic way, here is what you wrote on another board about quran:

``… if you want to follow that middle-aged arab named Muhammad … and think the book he wrote will take you places … knock yourself out. ``

here is another gem that you wrote about quran on the same board:

``Get this ... an illiterate Arab went into a cave 1400 years ago, claimed that god spoke to him, went on to write a book, and presented it as the word of the invisible god. And today you swear by this book, go around claiming that god spoke to humanity through Muhammad ... and will debate on what god said, what he meant ... and what not. All this based on a book authored by a middle-aged man in ancient times. Get real, pal ...``

Now before you rush to embrace quran on this board, why don`t you slap yourself a bit to awake you from your sleep. because apparently in your sleep you have been uttering a lot of BS that you see to disowe now!

Had I not pasted your previous posts here, you seemed to be getting away by passing yourself as a ``quran lover``!!!

Once again I will say this to you: If you want to stop the `persecution` of qadiyanis in pakistan, tell them to stop messing with Islam.

What a hypocrisy!!!! Unbelievable!!

Re Urstruly (#4):

… here’s another fatwa from our resident imbecile … the custodian of mass ignorance …

Sahib … you often blurt rhetoric … but are hardly able to back it with reason. Ahmadis base their understanding of Islam on Quran … and you are unable to argue otherwise. And that seems to have caused too much heartache to you and your mullahs ... which is really your own fault ... you know ...

Oh boy - not another aritcle on koran, hadith, whatever.....

No matter how much you question Hadith, the fact remains that Quadianis have been declared non-Muslims on the basis of Qura`nic injunctions. I don`t think there is any wiggling out of it. Quadianis are out of fold of Islam forever.

Saheeh Bukhari is pile of bull crap, no sensible Shia or Sunni belives in that book

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[The Quran, the word of God Himself, does not state that a man should be killed for leaving Islam, infact there are verses which argue that there should be no compulsion in religion. ]

If you can inject some modicum of freedom which allows men and women of Islam to renege from Islam and profess different faith or atheism or agnosticism and allow them to at least debate texts and sayings in privacy of their homes or their clubs then islamic people will have taken one giant step forward.