Questioning the Hadeeth
Gibran Bham September 1, 2004
#72 Posted by echoboom on September 3, 2004 8:47:48 pm
A great Muslim of today. One of those who doesn`t kow-tow to the Western-thugs. In fact delivers stinging blows to them.
The drooling dog(PM) of United-Satans did not attend the Shoora-Hamdard UMMAH conference. He suddenly found time to be busy.
Joke of a joke: Its been reported in `the News` The drooling dog of the United-Satans gave permission for this conference.
No wonder the baighairat is a fcking moderate.
[ always use this word with contempt & derision so as to express its true meaning]
Mahathir spells out reasons for Challenges to Ummah
Pakistan Times Staff Report
KARACHI: Malaysia`s ex-Prime Minister of Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad has said the Muslim Ummah confronts challenges because it has strayed from the basic and true teachings of Islam.
``It is our fault and not the fault of our religion, it is for us to correct these faults,`` he remarked while delivering a keynote address at an international conference on ``Muslim Ummah in the Modern World: Challenges and Opportunities`` at a local hotel on Friday.
The three-day moot is being held under the auspices of the Shura Hamdard Pakistan and sponsored by Hamdard Foundation Pakistan.
The Challenges
Mahathir was of the view that the challenges facing the Muslim Ummah at this stage of modern civilization are too numerous to list. ``They will probably depress us because there are so many and so seemingly insoluble.``
They all have but one single origin. And that is in our confusion over the different interpretations of the one single Islamic religion that was brought by the Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him), he added.
Mahathir pointed out that today we see the Sunnis and the Shias both vehemently maintaining that they are Muslims, but they fight and kill each other because each accuse the other of not being Muslims. Yet the world, the non-Muslims consider both sects as Muslims and do not differentiate between them, condemning both for being guilty of terrorism.
He said ``we know that our religion tells us that it is a sin for a Muslim to kill another Muslim but we justify our action by claiming that the person or people we kill are not Muslim, not true Muslims according to our own interpretations.``
``We pass judgement on their faith even though they bear witness to the oneness of Allah and to The Holy Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him).``
Injunctions of Islam
``In the meantime we neglect the other injunctions of Islam. No religion has stressed the need to acquire knowledge as Islam does. The first message of Allah to Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) was `Iqra`,`` the former Malaysian premier added.
He said that the early Muslims were learned not just about religion but about other fields of knowledge as well.
They did not question where the knowledge came from, whether it was from heathens or Christians of Jewish sources. They did not question the nationality of the scholars who pioneered the studies. They learnt the languages of these scholars, acquired the knowledge, translated them into Arabic, researched and added to the body of knowledge that they had acquired.
Mahatir pointed out that the Muslims were strong in their defence capabilities. And this too is in accordance with the teachings of the Holy Quran that Muslims must be capable of defending themselves and instilling fear in the enemy. But later came the new interpretations of Islam who condemned learning and acquisition of knowledge other than those about the religion.
The former Malaysian Premier said that Islam is a way of life, and politics, social affairs and economic affairs cannot be separated from religious affairs. The separation of state from religion is not possible in Islam. The state must obey the injunctions of the religion but not necessarily ruled only by those well-versed in religion.
Furthermore, it is not the form of government that is important but rather than the Muslim government should be led by competent administrators, should be strong, should be just, should have the capability to cope with the changing times.
There is nothing to say that Muslim societies and Muslim countries should recreate the life and the environment that existed at the time of Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) before it can be considered as Islamic or before it can survive or prosper. Islam is for all times.
Of the Deviations
Dr. Mahathir said that because of the deviations from the teachings of Islam, because of the differing interpretations and confusion they cause the Muslims have become backward, weak and unable to deal with the multitude of challenges, they now face. Muslims are being oppressed and massacred by their enemies and even more by fellow Muslims.
He said that the true challenge facing the Muslim Ummah in the modern world is to speak the truth, to admit that they have strayed from the original and fundamental teachings of Islam.
A Powerful Force
The former premier said that the religion is a powerful force in Islam and many want to avail themselves of this force for their own ends. ``But despite this we must not weaken the influence of religion on the way of life that we life lead.
Instead we must use this powerful force. But we must use it according to those basic teachings of Islam over which we do not differ.``
He stated that it cannot be that Islam is the cause of our failures and misfortunes. ``It must be because we have deviated from true teachings of Islam.``
Earthly Ambitions
Dr. Mahathir said ``surely if we discard the earthly ambitions of our sects and our sectarian leaders and reunite as Muslims, if we go back to the fundamental teaching of Islam as preached by the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) as found in Hold Quran and the verified Hadiths, and we practice these teachings,surely if we acquire all the knowledge there is in this world, whatever may be the source, we hone our skills to Islamic moral values in the applications of these knowledge to strengthen ourselves, to build the capacity to defend the Ummah and our religion, we develop our countries with the wealth that Allah has showered on us, we practise charity not only towards the Muslims but also the non-Muslims, we govern and rule ourselves and our people with justice foremost in our minds as enjoined by Islam.
``Surely if we set aside the esoteric interpretations which divide us then we must be able to overcome most of the challenges facing us in this modern world,`` Mahathir added.
He said ``we shall all be well-equipped with the knowledge and the skills to administer and develop our countries, to strengthen them with the defence capability that we are enjoined by our religion to have and to dedicate ourselves to the service of Islam and the Ummah. We should find common grounds between our different sects and disregard or tolerate the differences so that we could be united again and strong.``
Ms Sadia Rashid
Earlier, the President of Hamdard Foundation Pakistan Ms. Sadia Rashid presented the welcome address. Maj. Gen. (Retd) Ghulam Umar spoke about the aims and objectives of the conference.●
while at it visiting this great instituition (site) & the honest, courageous and dedicated muslims running it.
www.hamdard.edu.pak
The drooling dog(PM) of United-Satans did not attend the Shoora-Hamdard UMMAH conference. He suddenly found time to be busy.
Joke of a joke: Its been reported in `the News` The drooling dog of the United-Satans gave permission for this conference.
No wonder the baighairat is a fcking moderate.
[ always use this word with contempt & derision so as to express its true meaning]
Mahathir spells out reasons for Challenges to Ummah
Pakistan Times Staff Report
KARACHI: Malaysia`s ex-Prime Minister of Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad has said the Muslim Ummah confronts challenges because it has strayed from the basic and true teachings of Islam.
``It is our fault and not the fault of our religion, it is for us to correct these faults,`` he remarked while delivering a keynote address at an international conference on ``Muslim Ummah in the Modern World: Challenges and Opportunities`` at a local hotel on Friday.
The three-day moot is being held under the auspices of the Shura Hamdard Pakistan and sponsored by Hamdard Foundation Pakistan.
The Challenges
Mahathir was of the view that the challenges facing the Muslim Ummah at this stage of modern civilization are too numerous to list. ``They will probably depress us because there are so many and so seemingly insoluble.``
They all have but one single origin. And that is in our confusion over the different interpretations of the one single Islamic religion that was brought by the Prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him), he added.
Mahathir pointed out that today we see the Sunnis and the Shias both vehemently maintaining that they are Muslims, but they fight and kill each other because each accuse the other of not being Muslims. Yet the world, the non-Muslims consider both sects as Muslims and do not differentiate between them, condemning both for being guilty of terrorism.
He said ``we know that our religion tells us that it is a sin for a Muslim to kill another Muslim but we justify our action by claiming that the person or people we kill are not Muslim, not true Muslims according to our own interpretations.``
``We pass judgement on their faith even though they bear witness to the oneness of Allah and to The Holy Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him).``
Injunctions of Islam
``In the meantime we neglect the other injunctions of Islam. No religion has stressed the need to acquire knowledge as Islam does. The first message of Allah to Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) was `Iqra`,`` the former Malaysian premier added.
He said that the early Muslims were learned not just about religion but about other fields of knowledge as well.
They did not question where the knowledge came from, whether it was from heathens or Christians of Jewish sources. They did not question the nationality of the scholars who pioneered the studies. They learnt the languages of these scholars, acquired the knowledge, translated them into Arabic, researched and added to the body of knowledge that they had acquired.
Mahatir pointed out that the Muslims were strong in their defence capabilities. And this too is in accordance with the teachings of the Holy Quran that Muslims must be capable of defending themselves and instilling fear in the enemy. But later came the new interpretations of Islam who condemned learning and acquisition of knowledge other than those about the religion.
The former Malaysian Premier said that Islam is a way of life, and politics, social affairs and economic affairs cannot be separated from religious affairs. The separation of state from religion is not possible in Islam. The state must obey the injunctions of the religion but not necessarily ruled only by those well-versed in religion.
Furthermore, it is not the form of government that is important but rather than the Muslim government should be led by competent administrators, should be strong, should be just, should have the capability to cope with the changing times.
There is nothing to say that Muslim societies and Muslim countries should recreate the life and the environment that existed at the time of Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) before it can be considered as Islamic or before it can survive or prosper. Islam is for all times.
Of the Deviations
Dr. Mahathir said that because of the deviations from the teachings of Islam, because of the differing interpretations and confusion they cause the Muslims have become backward, weak and unable to deal with the multitude of challenges, they now face. Muslims are being oppressed and massacred by their enemies and even more by fellow Muslims.
He said that the true challenge facing the Muslim Ummah in the modern world is to speak the truth, to admit that they have strayed from the original and fundamental teachings of Islam.
A Powerful Force
The former premier said that the religion is a powerful force in Islam and many want to avail themselves of this force for their own ends. ``But despite this we must not weaken the influence of religion on the way of life that we life lead.
Instead we must use this powerful force. But we must use it according to those basic teachings of Islam over which we do not differ.``
He stated that it cannot be that Islam is the cause of our failures and misfortunes. ``It must be because we have deviated from true teachings of Islam.``
Earthly Ambitions
Dr. Mahathir said ``surely if we discard the earthly ambitions of our sects and our sectarian leaders and reunite as Muslims, if we go back to the fundamental teaching of Islam as preached by the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) as found in Hold Quran and the verified Hadiths, and we practice these teachings,surely if we acquire all the knowledge there is in this world, whatever may be the source, we hone our skills to Islamic moral values in the applications of these knowledge to strengthen ourselves, to build the capacity to defend the Ummah and our religion, we develop our countries with the wealth that Allah has showered on us, we practise charity not only towards the Muslims but also the non-Muslims, we govern and rule ourselves and our people with justice foremost in our minds as enjoined by Islam.
``Surely if we set aside the esoteric interpretations which divide us then we must be able to overcome most of the challenges facing us in this modern world,`` Mahathir added.
He said ``we shall all be well-equipped with the knowledge and the skills to administer and develop our countries, to strengthen them with the defence capability that we are enjoined by our religion to have and to dedicate ourselves to the service of Islam and the Ummah. We should find common grounds between our different sects and disregard or tolerate the differences so that we could be united again and strong.``
Ms Sadia Rashid
Earlier, the President of Hamdard Foundation Pakistan Ms. Sadia Rashid presented the welcome address. Maj. Gen. (Retd) Ghulam Umar spoke about the aims and objectives of the conference.●
while at it visiting this great instituition (site) & the honest, courageous and dedicated muslims running it.
www.hamdard.edu.pak
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#71 Posted by tahmed32 on September 3, 2004 7:16:33 pm
sattar #65 So THAT`s what you meant. So sorry for the misunderstanding.
Yes, indeed, I believe the prophet Muhammed was honest in what he said and was not making it up. And my belief is based on the fact that the Quran clearly limits Muhammed`s role in society to that of being a ``warner``. If he was a self-serving man, this would not be the case.
Also, I ``fell`` for his message, because the message (as conveyed in the Quran, NOT as conveyed by mullahs and pirs and hadith writers and other quacks) makes good sense, teaches respect for life (unlike the bloodthirsty devils who kill in the name of what they call ``islam``) and other positive things (honesty, for example) that are ignored by the ritual mongerers.
Yes, indeed, I believe the prophet Muhammed was honest in what he said and was not making it up. And my belief is based on the fact that the Quran clearly limits Muhammed`s role in society to that of being a ``warner``. If he was a self-serving man, this would not be the case.
Also, I ``fell`` for his message, because the message (as conveyed in the Quran, NOT as conveyed by mullahs and pirs and hadith writers and other quacks) makes good sense, teaches respect for life (unlike the bloodthirsty devils who kill in the name of what they call ``islam``) and other positive things (honesty, for example) that are ignored by the ritual mongerers.
#70 Posted by tahmed32 on September 3, 2004 7:16:33 pm
sri #66 while i share your disgust with the brutal attack on schoolchildren by the terrorists, i also am disgusted with your high and mighty racial slurs about arabs. it is so obvious that you are simply trying to mimic what you think is the way westerners speak - when in fact most westerners (other than the illiterate losers who would have similar slurs for desis) dont use such racist language. so get a bloody personality of your own.
#69 Posted by dost_mittar on September 3, 2004 6:56:57 pm
vertex:
``We could also point out sarcastically that carpet bombing/shelling grozny from 10k feet with fuel-explosive weapons and causing the death of 10`s of thousands of Chechens (knowing full bloody well that there were scores of women and children in city) was also ``brave``.``
It is this kind of attitude which is going to get that idiot Bush reelected!
While we must condemn bombings from 10k feet [btw, not too many of my muslim friends on chowk joined me in condemning americans doing so in Serbia!] there is no moral equivalence in the barbaric acts of individuals deliberately killing innocent children and the unavoidable killings of innocents by professional soldiers obeying the orders of their govt.
All such acts do is to convince Americans that there is indeed a war against terror and that Bush-Chenny are justified in killing barbarians who kill in the name of religion.
``We could also point out sarcastically that carpet bombing/shelling grozny from 10k feet with fuel-explosive weapons and causing the death of 10`s of thousands of Chechens (knowing full bloody well that there were scores of women and children in city) was also ``brave``.``
It is this kind of attitude which is going to get that idiot Bush reelected!
While we must condemn bombings from 10k feet [btw, not too many of my muslim friends on chowk joined me in condemning americans doing so in Serbia!] there is no moral equivalence in the barbaric acts of individuals deliberately killing innocent children and the unavoidable killings of innocents by professional soldiers obeying the orders of their govt.
All such acts do is to convince Americans that there is indeed a war against terror and that Bush-Chenny are justified in killing barbarians who kill in the name of religion.
#68 Posted by vertex on September 3, 2004 6:13:36 pm
rsridhar,
LOL, so hindus didn`t have the gumption to stand up and simply ask for what every other people do...celebrate religious holidays. Is this something to be proud of? You should be ashamed....not all take pleasure or pride in being obsequious...;-)
``Islam is a politico-religious entity. Politics and religion have freely intermingled. Mullahs, by collusion with the rulers, have gained power and stature over the centuries.``
Incorrect. All temporal power resided with sultans, kings, etc. Religous ``mullahs`` served the role as judges and intellectual policy advisors (to put it familiar and perhaps generous terms). Mullahs do not represent a priestly class. This is a rather laugable and ignorant analogy people tend to make. They were from the liety, and educated for the role. Never mind what you think of the education...it`s their role that I`m talking about.
``This is why Clergy is so powerful in the Islamic world. The dictator and the clergy have kind of a symbiotic relationship. It is a ``you scratch my back and i will scratch yours`` kind of philosophy. ``
The clergy has NO power in the Islamic world, except the domain of family law. Religious leaders are usually vetted by the leaders, and so represent the government line quite closely.
The BJP (being religous Hindu`s) had infinitely more power than any Mullah had....other than Iran perhaps.
LOL, so hindus didn`t have the gumption to stand up and simply ask for what every other people do...celebrate religious holidays. Is this something to be proud of? You should be ashamed....not all take pleasure or pride in being obsequious...;-)
``Islam is a politico-religious entity. Politics and religion have freely intermingled. Mullahs, by collusion with the rulers, have gained power and stature over the centuries.``
Incorrect. All temporal power resided with sultans, kings, etc. Religous ``mullahs`` served the role as judges and intellectual policy advisors (to put it familiar and perhaps generous terms). Mullahs do not represent a priestly class. This is a rather laugable and ignorant analogy people tend to make. They were from the liety, and educated for the role. Never mind what you think of the education...it`s their role that I`m talking about.
``This is why Clergy is so powerful in the Islamic world. The dictator and the clergy have kind of a symbiotic relationship. It is a ``you scratch my back and i will scratch yours`` kind of philosophy. ``
The clergy has NO power in the Islamic world, except the domain of family law. Religious leaders are usually vetted by the leaders, and so represent the government line quite closely.
The BJP (being religous Hindu`s) had infinitely more power than any Mullah had....other than Iran perhaps.
#67 Posted by sattar2 on September 3, 2004 5:13:23 pm
Re tahmed (#20, 23):
… looks like your moral anxieties are closing in on you once again … or perhaps you simply need a Prozac refill to calm you down.
You ask me … “Would you care to cut and paste my response based on which you make this claim that I fell for your cleverness…”
You misread my comment (sigh). My comment stated that you fell for Muhammad’s claims [which is different from you falling for my cleverness]. Re-read my post to Malik99. Got it, Mr. smarty pants?
Try to keep things in proper context, without jumping to immature conclusions.
#66 Posted by sri on September 3, 2004 5:13:23 pm
#63 by tahmed32
``sri: this was truly a criminal act - attacking schoolchildren. and 10 of them were arabs who were obviously there to create trouble only, just as they did in afghanistan. ``
typical sand N***ers.
``sri: this was truly a criminal act - attacking schoolchildren. and 10 of them were arabs who were obviously there to create trouble only, just as they did in afghanistan. ``
typical sand N***ers.
#65 Posted by vertex on September 3, 2004 5:13:23 pm
sri, tahmed,
Dudes, you took the words right out of my mouth.
We could also point out sarcastically that carpet bombing/shelling grozny from 10k feet with fuel-explosive weapons and causing the death of 10`s of thousands of Chechens (knowing full bloody well that there were scores of women and children in city) was also ``brave``.
Bunch of loosers on both sides there...
Dudes, you took the words right out of my mouth.
We could also point out sarcastically that carpet bombing/shelling grozny from 10k feet with fuel-explosive weapons and causing the death of 10`s of thousands of Chechens (knowing full bloody well that there were scores of women and children in city) was also ``brave``.
Bunch of loosers on both sides there...
#64 Posted by echoboom on September 3, 2004 12:30:22 pm
Jaahil ko ugar jehl kaa , inaa`am diyaa jaaey
iss hadsaa-e vaqt ko--kya naam diyaa jaaey ?
maikhanoaN kee tauheen hai, rindoaN kee htak hai
kum zrf kay haathoaN meiN ugar jaam diya jaaey.
``hUmm aisay saada diloaN kee niazmandee sey
butoaN ney kee haiN, jahaN meiN khudaeeyaaN kya kya``
The simple-folk that we are, respectful & polite
has led many stoneheads behave like gods.
iss hadsaa-e vaqt ko--kya naam diyaa jaaey ?
maikhanoaN kee tauheen hai, rindoaN kee htak hai
kum zrf kay haathoaN meiN ugar jaam diya jaaey.
``hUmm aisay saada diloaN kee niazmandee sey
butoaN ney kee haiN, jahaN meiN khudaeeyaaN kya kya``
The simple-folk that we are, respectful & polite
has led many stoneheads behave like gods.
#63 Posted by tahmed32 on September 3, 2004 11:41:47 am
sri: this was truly a criminal act - attacking schoolchildren. and 10 of them were arabs who were obviously there to create trouble only, just as they did in afghanistan.
#62 Posted by sri on September 3, 2004 10:48:58 am
Yet another great example of Muslim bravery.
Attack the nearest school filled with children and infants..... take them at gun point ... ..
Brave indeed....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5881958/?GT1=5100
#61 Posted by khurram on September 3, 2004 10:24:43 am
I have heard a lot of people complain about hadeeth.
I have yet to hear a systematic and coherent proposal on how to interpret hadeeth.
I don`t have one either.
I have yet to hear a systematic and coherent proposal on how to interpret hadeeth.
I don`t have one either.
#60 Posted by mohar11 on September 3, 2004 10:24:43 am
#53 by aslam644
Yes - I forgot. Iranians are showing the way. After years under ``Islamic Revolution`` they have started to reject the priests and the dogma. A silent reformation has started.
So yes - muslims do have a shining example to follow. Hopefully the changes in Iran will be noticed and replicated over the entire muslims world.
Yes - I forgot. Iranians are showing the way. After years under ``Islamic Revolution`` they have started to reject the priests and the dogma. A silent reformation has started.
So yes - muslims do have a shining example to follow. Hopefully the changes in Iran will be noticed and replicated over the entire muslims world.
#59 Posted by mohar11 on September 3, 2004 10:24:43 am
sridhar
//...Unfortunately, Mullahs have chosen to interpret the verses literally and not symbolically...//
Yes - but like I said, that is their ``job``. Mullahs will always do that - that`s how they retain their livelihood and power. So do priests of other religions. Have you ever visited Jaganath Temple in Puri? Pandas in that temple are worst life forms in the entire god`s creation. In fact they are worse than any islamic mullah could ever be. But they donot matter - because people reject them ... politically, theologically, and socially. They have been reduced to more of ritual hangover and rightly so.
So is the case with the Pope. Pope says - no sex before marriage, don`t use condoms, earth is flat. People say - ``yeah sure. whatever you say pope. where is your ring - let me kiss it. goodbye. sell your snake oil somewhere else``.
That`s what muslims would have to. Reject mullahs, reject theocracy, reject political islam, reject koran as the book of political wisdom, stop being slaves to the book. The book is mortal, the book is changeable, just like everything else in the world. Nothing in this world can be static - that`s a simple law of nature.
In a very small way - iranians have started to do this. They have started to rejct mullahs and their dogma.
//...Unfortunately, Mullahs have chosen to interpret the verses literally and not symbolically...//
Yes - but like I said, that is their ``job``. Mullahs will always do that - that`s how they retain their livelihood and power. So do priests of other religions. Have you ever visited Jaganath Temple in Puri? Pandas in that temple are worst life forms in the entire god`s creation. In fact they are worse than any islamic mullah could ever be. But they donot matter - because people reject them ... politically, theologically, and socially. They have been reduced to more of ritual hangover and rightly so.
So is the case with the Pope. Pope says - no sex before marriage, don`t use condoms, earth is flat. People say - ``yeah sure. whatever you say pope. where is your ring - let me kiss it. goodbye. sell your snake oil somewhere else``.
That`s what muslims would have to. Reject mullahs, reject theocracy, reject political islam, reject koran as the book of political wisdom, stop being slaves to the book. The book is mortal, the book is changeable, just like everything else in the world. Nothing in this world can be static - that`s a simple law of nature.
In a very small way - iranians have started to do this. They have started to rejct mullahs and their dogma.
#58 Posted by wajahat on September 3, 2004 10:24:43 am
Jibbe
``Let us also be consistent, if the American invasion was wrong, so was Saddam`s invasion of kuwait. If the killing of Iraqis by Americans was wrong, so was the massacre of the Kurds.
I am sick and tired of Muslims always crying wolf, ``wolf wolf wolf`` shut up. what comes around goes around. ``
Should we include in your ``shut up and put up`` list.
9/11
I am tired of this psuedo elitist crap!
``Let us also be consistent, if the American invasion was wrong, so was Saddam`s invasion of kuwait. If the killing of Iraqis by Americans was wrong, so was the massacre of the Kurds.
I am sick and tired of Muslims always crying wolf, ``wolf wolf wolf`` shut up. what comes around goes around. ``
Should we include in your ``shut up and put up`` list.
9/11
I am tired of this psuedo elitist crap!
#57 Posted by Ralph on September 3, 2004 10:24:43 am
dost-mittar #50
This is generally true of all people with strong faith. Also, most people are quite comfortable in their religious identities and usually go through the rituals even when they dont believe in them>
But Romair probably does believe in them. That`s what he is trying to tell you. If Quran talks about flying horses, Romair fully believes in the existence of those horses. Or, at least, he will be willing to tell you that those flying horses are really flying photons, and that the mention of flying horses proves beyond a shadow of doubt the scientific authenticity of the `Holy` Quran.
Such beliefs are, what he says with justification, make Islam different. So different are these beliefs from the beliefs of human beings that, according to him, we mustn`t expect Muslims to think like us.
Who would disagree with him when Romair`s own postings provide ample proof?
This is generally true of all people with strong faith. Also, most people are quite comfortable in their religious identities and usually go through the rituals even when they dont believe in them>
But Romair probably does believe in them. That`s what he is trying to tell you. If Quran talks about flying horses, Romair fully believes in the existence of those horses. Or, at least, he will be willing to tell you that those flying horses are really flying photons, and that the mention of flying horses proves beyond a shadow of doubt the scientific authenticity of the `Holy` Quran.
Such beliefs are, what he says with justification, make Islam different. So different are these beliefs from the beliefs of human beings that, according to him, we mustn`t expect Muslims to think like us.
Who would disagree with him when Romair`s own postings provide ample proof?
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