Questioning the Hadeeth
Gibran Bham September 1, 2004
#104 Posted by rsridhar on September 5, 2004 2:00:31 pm
re:#103 by ballukhan
You will note that my question about Qoran`s relevance today was rhetorical. I was not trying to make fun of his religion, which is also the religion of 100 million Indian muslims.
I was trying to say if people like him would ever stop looking at that text literally and go for a deeper inner meaning, which exists in all scriptures.
Or course, the point was lost on the moron.
The guy really showed his class. He chose to respond by denigrading my religion, a religion which has given the world Yoga and meditation and innumerable other assets.
Recently, Sri Sri Ravishankar was in Pakistan. Perhaps the moron in question should have attended his lecures. His I.Q would have come up a few notches above where it stands right now.
Sridhar
You will note that my question about Qoran`s relevance today was rhetorical. I was not trying to make fun of his religion, which is also the religion of 100 million Indian muslims.
I was trying to say if people like him would ever stop looking at that text literally and go for a deeper inner meaning, which exists in all scriptures.
Or course, the point was lost on the moron.
The guy really showed his class. He chose to respond by denigrading my religion, a religion which has given the world Yoga and meditation and innumerable other assets.
Recently, Sri Sri Ravishankar was in Pakistan. Perhaps the moron in question should have attended his lecures. His I.Q would have come up a few notches above where it stands right now.
Sridhar
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#103 Posted by ballukhan on September 5, 2004 10:46:53 am
#98 by rsridhar on September 5, 2004 6:20am PT
Agreed!
With posts like this from Hamid 81 I do not see any hope:
``.....rsridhar, you idol worshipping people whose Idols I can break with one sweep of my arm, are telling me what to do? Accept the facts, we ruled you and we will rule you: With the Koran and the Sunnah. We killed the idol worshippers and morons like you and will do it again. InshaAllah. And when did your stupid Bhagwans lived? In 2004? On top of the Himalayah? You don`t even know who they were. Whether they were real people or animals. A animal worshipping nation who is backword and hilarious in their beliefs should in my view be destroyed. So just shut up and pray to your Kali Mai that Pakistan doesn`t nuke you. Or else your Bhagwans will too be nuked with you. ..........``
Agreed!
With posts like this from Hamid 81 I do not see any hope:
``.....rsridhar, you idol worshipping people whose Idols I can break with one sweep of my arm, are telling me what to do? Accept the facts, we ruled you and we will rule you: With the Koran and the Sunnah. We killed the idol worshippers and morons like you and will do it again. InshaAllah. And when did your stupid Bhagwans lived? In 2004? On top of the Himalayah? You don`t even know who they were. Whether they were real people or animals. A animal worshipping nation who is backword and hilarious in their beliefs should in my view be destroyed. So just shut up and pray to your Kali Mai that Pakistan doesn`t nuke you. Or else your Bhagwans will too be nuked with you. ..........``
#102 Posted by echoboom on September 5, 2004 10:35:43 am
click here
An excellent analysis for the illiterates. only if they could read this.
Those who can read this would know the mindset of the illiterates of Pakistan..the drooling-dogs from cantonements & colonies.
#101 Posted by vertex on September 5, 2004 10:35:43 am
rsridhar,
``The sad state of education in your country reflects in some of the posts by Pakis in Chowk. I have been in Chowk long enough to know this to be a fact. ``
Problem: I`m not a paki. Anyhow, your ``knowledge`` of ``facts`` is questionable....
``BJP is a political party with religious ideology``
As I said, they are a religio-political outfit. Just like the Mullahs (or at least the Mullahs you are talking about) are. The Mullahs do not command an institutionalized role in the vast majority (even self-declared ``Islamic``) ones. The Mullah and BJP are analogs in form and function. What does the BJP have to do with Hinduism? Exactly the same thing the Mullah has to do with Islam.
``The sad state of education in your country reflects in some of the posts by Pakis in Chowk. I have been in Chowk long enough to know this to be a fact. ``
Problem: I`m not a paki. Anyhow, your ``knowledge`` of ``facts`` is questionable....
``BJP is a political party with religious ideology``
As I said, they are a religio-political outfit. Just like the Mullahs (or at least the Mullahs you are talking about) are. The Mullahs do not command an institutionalized role in the vast majority (even self-declared ``Islamic``) ones. The Mullah and BJP are analogs in form and function. What does the BJP have to do with Hinduism? Exactly the same thing the Mullah has to do with Islam.
#100 Posted by arjun_m on September 5, 2004 10:35:42 am
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#99 Posted by dost_mittar on September 5, 2004 9:54:52 am
digit:
``then I`m afraid this condemnation of the acts of criminal terrorists coupled with the excusing of grander Russian brutality inspires little confidence in the moral compass you guide yourself by.``
When did I defend Russian brutality?
``then I`m afraid this condemnation of the acts of criminal terrorists coupled with the excusing of grander Russian brutality inspires little confidence in the moral compass you guide yourself by.``
When did I defend Russian brutality?
#98 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on September 5, 2004 6:20:56 am
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#97 Posted by rsridhar on September 5, 2004 6:20:56 am
re:#94 by vertex
The sad state of education in your country reflects in some of the posts by Pakis in Chowk. I have been in Chowk long enough to know this to be a fact.
``Sigh*. Yes, Yes, hinduism is not a religion, it is a loose philosophy that is everything...yet nothing....all that and a wagonwheel. Therefore, there can be no fundementalism, blah blah blah. You know exactly what I mean, they are a religio-political hindu organization. Very much analogos to the Mullah. Who cares how they got power.``
What has BJP got to do with Hinduism? Seriously, are u guys in some kind of mass hypnosis?
BJP is a political party with religious ideology. It is upto the people whether to accept or reject that ideology. As the last general elections have shown, majority have rejected that ideology. In a democrazy, even extreme ideology has a place under the sun.
You say who cares how they got to power. That shows your total ignorance of the concept of democracy.
``Geez...so I guess if the mullah was directly elected, then everything would be hunky- dory?``
If the mullahs manage a majority vote in a fair election, they would be justified to say that they have people`s backing of their ideology, just like BJP was trying to say that majority voted for its ``hindutva`` ideology when it was in power. But, that has not happened in Pak, has it?
Sridhar
The sad state of education in your country reflects in some of the posts by Pakis in Chowk. I have been in Chowk long enough to know this to be a fact.
``Sigh*. Yes, Yes, hinduism is not a religion, it is a loose philosophy that is everything...yet nothing....all that and a wagonwheel. Therefore, there can be no fundementalism, blah blah blah. You know exactly what I mean, they are a religio-political hindu organization. Very much analogos to the Mullah. Who cares how they got power.``
What has BJP got to do with Hinduism? Seriously, are u guys in some kind of mass hypnosis?
BJP is a political party with religious ideology. It is upto the people whether to accept or reject that ideology. As the last general elections have shown, majority have rejected that ideology. In a democrazy, even extreme ideology has a place under the sun.
You say who cares how they got to power. That shows your total ignorance of the concept of democracy.
``Geez...so I guess if the mullah was directly elected, then everything would be hunky- dory?``
If the mullahs manage a majority vote in a fair election, they would be justified to say that they have people`s backing of their ideology, just like BJP was trying to say that majority voted for its ``hindutva`` ideology when it was in power. But, that has not happened in Pak, has it?
Sridhar
#96 Posted by ballukhan on September 4, 2004 11:25:54 pm
How many faithfuls on the chowk think that the yesterday`s events in Russia is a justifiable reaction to all the hapennings in Chechenya?
#95 Posted by echoboom on September 4, 2004 10:41:23 pm
is this editorial-column in Jang any different? Imran Khan, Mahathir, S.H. Hasmi, Irshad Haqqani and so many others are saying the same thing about the brown-sahib syndrome in Pakistan. The brown-sahib, the drooling-dog of the west.
Iran got rid of them. Pakistan will be cleansed of them as well., inshallah. The Top drooling-dog on chowk got the message. That was the purpose of the post.
More is in store, if this drooling-dog of his masters does not stop his rabid anti-islam and anti-muslim yelpings.
#94 Posted by echoboom on September 4, 2004 10:41:22 pm
Mahathir for Ummah’s Excellence in Science
Pakistan Times Staff Report
2nd day of UMMAH conference : Hamdard ] please access:
http://www.hamdard.edu.pk
KARACHI: Former prime minister of Malaysia, Dr. Mahathir
Bin Mohamad, has stressed that excellence must be attained
in science to make headway, strengthen ourselves and defend
the Ummah.
He was speaking on the occasion of a special convocation of
Hamdard University Pakistan here on Saturday. Mahathir
arrived here on a two-day visit on Friday.
An honorary degree of Doctor of Science was conferred
on the distinguished guest in recognition of his immense
contributions to the cause of Muslim Ummah.
Sindh Governor Dr. Ishrat-ul- Ebad Khan, who is also the
patron of Hamdard University, conferred the honorary
degree on Dr. Mahathir on the occasion.
The former Malaysian premier pointed out that Holy Quran
ordains that Muslims must always be prepared to defend
themselves.
For this in the present era, he added, it is necessary to
excel in the realms of science and technology.
Dr. Mahathir was of the view that because we the Muslims
have neglected science we are weak and depend on others
for the weapons to defend the Ummah. The fault is entirely
our own.
He pointed out that the knowledge of science would enable
us to provide the defensive weapons that we need to
protect the Ummah.
Therefore, the former Malaysian premier, stressed we must
acquire knowledge and particularly that of the science.
He pointed out that the learning of science would also further
strengthen our faith in God Almighty.
Dr. Mahathir stated that scientists have even greater faith in
religion and there is no truth in the notion that science would
in any way undermine our faith in the religion.
He said the knowledge of science contributes towards the
betterment of humanity and the betterment of life of the people.
The former Malaysian premier pointed out that in the past
there were great Muslim scholars and referred to Ibne Sina
and Ibne Rushd besides others.
He said that they studied science to explain the nature around us.
They also studied the works of previous great philosophers from
among the Greek, Roman, Chinese etc.
Dr. Mahathir called upon the Muslims the world over to attain
excellence in various disciplines of knowledge particularly in
the realms of science.
He pointed out that our religion enjoins upon the faithfuls to
acquire knowledge from wherever it is available.
The former premier stressed that the acquisition of knowledge
would lead to progress and development and would help provide
protection and would contribute towards the defence of the Muslim
Ummah.
The President of Hamdard Foundation Pakistan, Ms. Sadia Rashid,
paid rich tributes to Dr. Mahathir for his exceptional leadership qualities.
She also spoke of his role towards the industrial, technological and
educational advancement in Malaysia.
The Chancellor of Hamdard University, Senator S.M. Zafar, praised
the contributions of Dr. Mahathir for the progress of the Malaysians
as well as for the cause of the Ummah.●
This is especially reproduced for the drooling-dogs of the west,
like Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz, so that they start biting
into their mangy flea-infested rumps while
their master humps them.
Pakistan Times Staff Report
2nd day of UMMAH conference : Hamdard ] please access:
http://www.hamdard.edu.pk
KARACHI: Former prime minister of Malaysia, Dr. Mahathir
Bin Mohamad, has stressed that excellence must be attained
in science to make headway, strengthen ourselves and defend
the Ummah.
He was speaking on the occasion of a special convocation of
Hamdard University Pakistan here on Saturday. Mahathir
arrived here on a two-day visit on Friday.
An honorary degree of Doctor of Science was conferred
on the distinguished guest in recognition of his immense
contributions to the cause of Muslim Ummah.
Sindh Governor Dr. Ishrat-ul- Ebad Khan, who is also the
patron of Hamdard University, conferred the honorary
degree on Dr. Mahathir on the occasion.
The former Malaysian premier pointed out that Holy Quran
ordains that Muslims must always be prepared to defend
themselves.
For this in the present era, he added, it is necessary to
excel in the realms of science and technology.
Dr. Mahathir was of the view that because we the Muslims
have neglected science we are weak and depend on others
for the weapons to defend the Ummah. The fault is entirely
our own.
He pointed out that the knowledge of science would enable
us to provide the defensive weapons that we need to
protect the Ummah.
Therefore, the former Malaysian premier, stressed we must
acquire knowledge and particularly that of the science.
He pointed out that the learning of science would also further
strengthen our faith in God Almighty.
Dr. Mahathir stated that scientists have even greater faith in
religion and there is no truth in the notion that science would
in any way undermine our faith in the religion.
He said the knowledge of science contributes towards the
betterment of humanity and the betterment of life of the people.
The former Malaysian premier pointed out that in the past
there were great Muslim scholars and referred to Ibne Sina
and Ibne Rushd besides others.
He said that they studied science to explain the nature around us.
They also studied the works of previous great philosophers from
among the Greek, Roman, Chinese etc.
Dr. Mahathir called upon the Muslims the world over to attain
excellence in various disciplines of knowledge particularly in
the realms of science.
He pointed out that our religion enjoins upon the faithfuls to
acquire knowledge from wherever it is available.
The former premier stressed that the acquisition of knowledge
would lead to progress and development and would help provide
protection and would contribute towards the defence of the Muslim
Ummah.
The President of Hamdard Foundation Pakistan, Ms. Sadia Rashid,
paid rich tributes to Dr. Mahathir for his exceptional leadership qualities.
She also spoke of his role towards the industrial, technological and
educational advancement in Malaysia.
The Chancellor of Hamdard University, Senator S.M. Zafar, praised
the contributions of Dr. Mahathir for the progress of the Malaysians
as well as for the cause of the Ummah.●
This is especially reproduced for the drooling-dogs of the west,
like Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz, so that they start biting
into their mangy flea-infested rumps while
their master humps them.
#93 Posted by _digit on September 4, 2004 10:41:22 pm
dost,
[I beg to differ. There is a clear distinction between targetting innocents and unintended victims.]
Yes, the ``Oops factor``. I`m sorry, however ignorance of your victims does not imply innocence. More so when the actions you are carrying out are inherently destructive. Bombing a city block has ``unintended`` consequences? That`s news to me...as you said, these are considered as ``acceptable`` or ``collateral`` casualties. They are fully expected. Would it satisfy you, morally speaking, if the terrorists were blindfolded and only fired randomly, unawares of who they hit or not? I would hope not.
[Now, if you can tell me that the Russians have been ``targetting`` innoncent Chechen children, you may have a point.]
No, they were not targeting children specifically. In fact, they didn`t care one way or the other. That is not a morally superior position. Like I said, not equivalent however moral siblings. Now, when you throw in the fact that the Russians managed to kill orders of magnitude more innocent people than the terrorists did, then I`m afraid this condemnation of the acts of criminal terrorists coupled with the excusing of grander Russian brutality inspires little confidence in the moral compass you guide yourself by.
[I beg to differ. There is a clear distinction between targetting innocents and unintended victims.]
Yes, the ``Oops factor``. I`m sorry, however ignorance of your victims does not imply innocence. More so when the actions you are carrying out are inherently destructive. Bombing a city block has ``unintended`` consequences? That`s news to me...as you said, these are considered as ``acceptable`` or ``collateral`` casualties. They are fully expected. Would it satisfy you, morally speaking, if the terrorists were blindfolded and only fired randomly, unawares of who they hit or not? I would hope not.
[Now, if you can tell me that the Russians have been ``targetting`` innoncent Chechen children, you may have a point.]
No, they were not targeting children specifically. In fact, they didn`t care one way or the other. That is not a morally superior position. Like I said, not equivalent however moral siblings. Now, when you throw in the fact that the Russians managed to kill orders of magnitude more innocent people than the terrorists did, then I`m afraid this condemnation of the acts of criminal terrorists coupled with the excusing of grander Russian brutality inspires little confidence in the moral compass you guide yourself by.
#92 Posted by vertex on September 4, 2004 10:41:22 pm
rsridhar,
``Is that why Salman Rushdie was in hiding after a Fatwa was issued by the Iran Clerics against his life? You should have told him not to worry. I am sure he would have heeded your words! ``
Dude, I made an explicit exception of Iran. Iran is in fact run directly by the clerics. I am unaware of any other Islamic kingdom or state that has ever had that state of affairs before...
[BJP is not religious hindu, whatever that means.]
*Sigh*. Yes, Yes, hinduism is not a religion, it is a loose philosophy that is everything...yet nothing....all that and a wagonwheel. Therefore, there can be no fundementalism, blah blah blah. You know exactly what I mean, they are a religio-political hindu organization. Very much analogos to the Mullah. Who cares how they got power.
[It is a political party, like the Congress and gets its power from the people thr` elections. Gosh! Do u guys have any concept of democracy?]
Geez...so I guess if the mullah was directly elected, then everything would be hunky- dory?
``Is that why Salman Rushdie was in hiding after a Fatwa was issued by the Iran Clerics against his life? You should have told him not to worry. I am sure he would have heeded your words! ``
Dude, I made an explicit exception of Iran. Iran is in fact run directly by the clerics. I am unaware of any other Islamic kingdom or state that has ever had that state of affairs before...
[BJP is not religious hindu, whatever that means.]
*Sigh*. Yes, Yes, hinduism is not a religion, it is a loose philosophy that is everything...yet nothing....all that and a wagonwheel. Therefore, there can be no fundementalism, blah blah blah. You know exactly what I mean, they are a religio-political hindu organization. Very much analogos to the Mullah. Who cares how they got power.
[It is a political party, like the Congress and gets its power from the people thr` elections. Gosh! Do u guys have any concept of democracy?]
Geez...so I guess if the mullah was directly elected, then everything would be hunky- dory?
#91 Posted by hamidm2 on September 4, 2004 5:54:21 pm
...... echoes of a terrorist in the making ?
``And then the drooling-dogs, tails-a-wagging, entreat with the masters `` Oh please sir, does that enhance your pleasure screwing me``?
These are the westoxicted mutts, the hybrids, the mongrels, the pye-dogs from cantonements & colonies. ``
........... now, tell me, if these are not the pitiful cries of an infant terrorist ?.......... there is so much venom, so much hatred, that if it were up to these guys we would all be marched into the stadium and hung from the goal posts ..............the civilized world must stand firm to make sure the taliban don`t raise their ugly heads again ..........
``And then the drooling-dogs, tails-a-wagging, entreat with the masters `` Oh please sir, does that enhance your pleasure screwing me``?
These are the westoxicted mutts, the hybrids, the mongrels, the pye-dogs from cantonements & colonies. ``
........... now, tell me, if these are not the pitiful cries of an infant terrorist ?.......... there is so much venom, so much hatred, that if it were up to these guys we would all be marched into the stadium and hung from the goal posts ..............the civilized world must stand firm to make sure the taliban don`t raise their ugly heads again ..........
#90 Posted by rsridhar on September 4, 2004 5:54:21 pm
#68 by vertex
``The clergy has NO power in the Islamic world, except the domain of family law. Religious leaders are usually vetted by the leaders, and so represent the government line quite closely. ``
Is that why Salman Rushdie was in hiding after a Fatwa was issued by the Iran Clerics against his life? You should have told him not to worry. I am sure he would have heeded your words!
``The BJP (being religous Hindu`s) had infinitely more power than any Mullah had....other than Iran perhaps...``
BJP is not religious hindu, whatever that means. It is a political party, like the Congress and gets its power from the people thr` elections. Gosh! Do u guys have any concept of democracy?
Sridhar
``The clergy has NO power in the Islamic world, except the domain of family law. Religious leaders are usually vetted by the leaders, and so represent the government line quite closely. ``
Is that why Salman Rushdie was in hiding after a Fatwa was issued by the Iran Clerics against his life? You should have told him not to worry. I am sure he would have heeded your words!
``The BJP (being religous Hindu`s) had infinitely more power than any Mullah had....other than Iran perhaps...``
BJP is not religious hindu, whatever that means. It is a political party, like the Congress and gets its power from the people thr` elections. Gosh! Do u guys have any concept of democracy?
Sridhar
#89 Posted by sri on September 4, 2004 5:54:20 pm
Clock ticking on Osama Bin Hidin` .......
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040904/1338223256.htm&photoid=20040810ISL105
I am imagining Osama paraded in the center of Times square. Drenched in pork blood and slaps on his sorry face with my fine Hyderabadi Chappal.
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