Questioning the Hadeeth

sri #75 One day you will realize (i hope) that you can never generalize about people. i have known many arabs who are perfectly fine, decent, very hardworking people, for example. for you to call them ``sand n**gers`` says nothing about them but a lot about you and your own insecurities.

Let us put it this way:

We now have drugl runners and mafiaso turning to religious terrorism to build a reasonable opposition to the state`s anti organized crime response just as we have imperialism turning anti-terror efforts into the biggest imperialist expansionism.

Both are losers.

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Liberating America From Israel

by Paul Findley

NOTE: Mr. Paul Findley served as a Republican congressman from Illinois for 22 years.

Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had refused to help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society. Few express this conclusion publicly, but many believe it is the truth. I believe the catastrophe could have been prevented if any U.S. president during the past 35 years had had the courage and wisdom to suspend all U.S. aid until Israel withdrew from the Arab land seized in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

The U.S. lobby for Israel is powerful and intimidating, but any determined president-even President Bush this very day-could prevail and win overwhelming public support for the suspension of aid by laying these facts before the American people:

Israel`s present government, like its predecessors, is determined to annex the West Bank-biblical Judea and Samaria - so Israel will become Greater Israel. Ultra-Orthodox Jews, who maintain a powerful role in Israeli politics, believe the Jewish Messiah will not come until Greater Israel is a reality. Although a minority in Israel, they are committed, aggressive, and influential. Because of deep religious conviction, they are determined to prevent Palestinians from gaining statehood on any part of the West Bank.

In its violent assaults on Palestinians, Israel uses the pretext of eradicating terrorism, but its forces are actually engaged advancing the territorial expansion just cited. Under the guise of anti-terrorism, Israeli forces treat Palestinians worse than cattle. With due process nowhere to be found, hundreds are detained for long periods and most are tortured. Some are assassinated. Homes, orchards, and business places are destroyed. Entire cities are kept under intermittent curfew, some confinements lasting for weeks. Injured or ill Palestinians needing emergency medical care are routinely held at checkpoints for an hour or more. Many children are undernourished. The West Bank and Gaza have become giant concentration camps. None of this could have occurred without U.S. support. Perhaps Israeli officials believe life will become so unbearable that most Palestinians will eventually leave their ancestral homes.

Once beloved worldwide, the U.S. government finds itself reviled in most countries because it provides unconditional support of Israeli violations of the United Nations Charter, international law, and the precepts of all major religious faiths.

How did the American people get into this fix?

Nine-eleven had its principal origin 35 years ago when Israel`s U.S. lobby began its unbroken success in stifling debate about the proper U.S. role in the Arab-Israeli conflict and effectively concealed from public awareness the fact that the U.S. government gives massive uncritical support to Israel.

Thanks to the suffocating influence of Israel`s U.S. lobby, open discussion of the Arab-Israeli conflict has been non-existent in our government all these years. I have firsthand knowledge, because I was a member of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee in June 1967 when Israeli military forces took control of the Golan Heights, a part of Syria, as well as the Palestinian West Bank and Gaza. I continued as a member for 16 years and to this day maintain a close watch on Congress.

For 35 years, not a word has been expressed in that committee or in either chamber of Congress that deserves to be called debate on Middle East policy. No restrictive or limiting amendments on aid to Israel have been offered for 20 years, and none of the few offered in previous years received more than a handful of votes. On Capitol Hill, criticism of Israel, even in private conversation, is all but forbidden, treated as downright unpatriotic, if not anti-Semitic. The continued absence of free speech was assured when those few who spoke out-Senators Adlai Stevenson and Charles Percy, and Reps. Paul ``Pete`` McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, Earl Hilliard, and myself-were defeated at the polls by candidates heavily financed by pro-Israel forces.


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And then the drooling-dogs, tails-a-wagging, entreat with the masters `` Oh please sir, does that enhance your pleasure screwing me``?

These are the westoxicted mutts, the hybrids, the mongrels, the pye-dogs from cantonements & colonies. The thoroughly educated ones.

The one who identified themselves as ``us`` as in: `` Are you with us or are you with them``. This shall always be remembered when Hurricane Hurry-up hits Pakistan and no closet will ever give sanctuary to the west-plagued ones. It happened in Iran. It will happen here.

#62 by sri on September 3, 2004 10:48am PT

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What is the probability that those terrorists were trained in Pakistan/Afghanistan. I think it is
very high.

``a prominent Arab journalist wrote that Muslims must acknowledge the painful fact that Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism.

``Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture,`` Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, wrote in his daily column published in the Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, ``The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!``

Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups - in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen - many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of the al-Qaida terror network.

``Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims,`` he wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless ``we admit the scandalous facts,`` rather than offer condemnations or justifications.

``The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us.``

Arab TV stations repeatedly aired footage of terrified young survivors being carried from the school siege scene, while pictures of dead and wounded children ran on front pages of Saturday`s newspapers in the region.

Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist and columnist for Egypt`s leading pro-government newspaper, Al-Ahram, wrote that the images ``showed Muslims as monsters who are fed by the blood of children and the pain of their families.``

``If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldn`t have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations, and misunderstanding of the nature of this age,`` Bahgat wrote.

Mona Khalil, a 48-year-old secretary in Amman, said her heart ached at the sight of the frightened children and their weeping relatives.

``What on earth were the kidnappers thinking about when they took the children hostage?`` she asked. ``These criminals don`t fear God? They have no mercy in their hearts?

They don`t have children?``

Mohammed Saleh Ebrahim, a 31-year-old Bahraini who was back-to-school shopping in the Gulf island nation with his two daughters, described the hostage-takers as ``worse than animals.``

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the excerpts show that there are NORMAL decent Muslims all over the world.....

one thing I have to say about this most grisly massacre of the entire world`s history -- where two hundred CHILDREN perished while being ``rescued`` -- that the Russian Army is no less Brutal than thos Laanati Islamists -- the so called ``resue`` was no better than the kidnapping -- what the hell those cruel RUssians were thinking entering with blazing guns in in a Hall filled with 600 terrorized crying children......

.....the Ex KGB Putin is a Stalinist Monster...... once a Stalinist always a Stalinist....

After last week`s events in Russia, I am begining to understand why Bush may be re-elected.

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Clock ticking on Osama Bin Hidin` .......

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-PLS&idq=/ff/story/0001/20040904/1338223256.htm&photoid=20040810ISL105

I am imagining Osama paraded in the center of Times square. Drenched in pork blood and slaps on his sorry face with my fine Hyderabadi Chappal.

#68 by vertex

``The clergy has NO power in the Islamic world, except the domain of family law. Religious leaders are usually vetted by the leaders, and so represent the government line quite closely. ``
Is that why Salman Rushdie was in hiding after a Fatwa was issued by the Iran Clerics against his life? You should have told him not to worry. I am sure he would have heeded your words!

``The BJP (being religous Hindu`s) had infinitely more power than any Mullah had....other than Iran perhaps...``
BJP is not religious hindu, whatever that means. It is a political party, like the Congress and gets its power from the people thr` elections. Gosh! Do u guys have any concept of democracy?
Sridhar

...... echoes of a terrorist in the making ?

``And then the drooling-dogs, tails-a-wagging, entreat with the masters `` Oh please sir, does that enhance your pleasure screwing me``?

These are the westoxicted mutts, the hybrids, the mongrels, the pye-dogs from cantonements & colonies. ``

........... now, tell me, if these are not the pitiful cries of an infant terrorist ?.......... there is so much venom, so much hatred, that if it were up to these guys we would all be marched into the stadium and hung from the goal posts ..............the civilized world must stand firm to make sure the taliban don`t raise their ugly heads again ..........

rsridhar,

``Is that why Salman Rushdie was in hiding after a Fatwa was issued by the Iran Clerics against his life? You should have told him not to worry. I am sure he would have heeded your words! ``

Dude, I made an explicit exception of Iran. Iran is in fact run directly by the clerics. I am unaware of any other Islamic kingdom or state that has ever had that state of affairs before...

[BJP is not religious hindu, whatever that means.]

*Sigh*. Yes, Yes, hinduism is not a religion, it is a loose philosophy that is everything...yet nothing....all that and a wagonwheel. Therefore, there can be no fundementalism, blah blah blah. You know exactly what I mean, they are a religio-political hindu organization. Very much analogos to the Mullah. Who cares how they got power.

[It is a political party, like the Congress and gets its power from the people thr` elections. Gosh! Do u guys have any concept of democracy?]

Geez...so I guess if the mullah was directly elected, then everything would be hunky- dory?

dost,

[I beg to differ. There is a clear distinction between targetting innocents and unintended victims.]

Yes, the ``Oops factor``. I`m sorry, however ignorance of your victims does not imply innocence. More so when the actions you are carrying out are inherently destructive. Bombing a city block has ``unintended`` consequences? That`s news to me...as you said, these are considered as ``acceptable`` or ``collateral`` casualties. They are fully expected. Would it satisfy you, morally speaking, if the terrorists were blindfolded and only fired randomly, unawares of who they hit or not? I would hope not.

[Now, if you can tell me that the Russians have been ``targetting`` innoncent Chechen children, you may have a point.]

No, they were not targeting children specifically. In fact, they didn`t care one way or the other. That is not a morally superior position. Like I said, not equivalent however moral siblings. Now, when you throw in the fact that the Russians managed to kill orders of magnitude more innocent people than the terrorists did, then I`m afraid this condemnation of the acts of criminal terrorists coupled with the excusing of grander Russian brutality inspires little confidence in the moral compass you guide yourself by.

Mahathir for Ummah’s Excellence in Science
Pakistan Times Staff Report

2nd day of UMMAH conference : Hamdard ] please access:
http://www.hamdard.edu.pk

KARACHI: Former prime minister of Malaysia, Dr. Mahathir
Bin Mohamad, has stressed that excellence must be attained
in science to make headway, strengthen ourselves and defend
the Ummah.

He was speaking on the occasion of a special convocation of
Hamdard University Pakistan here on Saturday. Mahathir
arrived here on a two-day visit on Friday.

An honorary degree of Doctor of Science was conferred
on the distinguished guest in recognition of his immense
contributions to the cause of Muslim Ummah.

Sindh Governor Dr. Ishrat-ul- Ebad Khan, who is also the
patron of Hamdard University, conferred the honorary
degree on Dr. Mahathir on the occasion.

The former Malaysian premier pointed out that Holy Quran
ordains that Muslims must always be prepared to defend
themselves.

For this in the present era, he added, it is necessary to
excel in the realms of science and technology.

Dr. Mahathir was of the view that because we the Muslims
have neglected science we are weak and depend on others
for the weapons to defend the Ummah. The fault is entirely
our own.

He pointed out that the knowledge of science would enable
us to provide the defensive weapons that we need to
protect the Ummah.

Therefore, the former Malaysian premier, stressed we must
acquire knowledge and particularly that of the science.

He pointed out that the learning of science would also further
strengthen our faith in God Almighty.

Dr. Mahathir stated that scientists have even greater faith in
religion and there is no truth in the notion that science would
in any way undermine our faith in the religion.

He said the knowledge of science contributes towards the
betterment of humanity and the betterment of life of the people.

The former Malaysian premier pointed out that in the past
there were great Muslim scholars and referred to Ibne Sina
and Ibne Rushd besides others.

He said that they studied science to explain the nature around us.
They also studied the works of previous great philosophers from
among the Greek, Roman, Chinese etc.

Dr. Mahathir called upon the Muslims the world over to attain
excellence in various disciplines of knowledge particularly in
the realms of science.

He pointed out that our religion enjoins upon the faithfuls to
acquire knowledge from wherever it is available.

The former premier stressed that the acquisition of knowledge
would lead to progress and development and would help provide
protection and would contribute towards the defence of the Muslim
Ummah.

The President of Hamdard Foundation Pakistan, Ms. Sadia Rashid,
paid rich tributes to Dr. Mahathir for his exceptional leadership qualities.

She also spoke of his role towards the industrial, technological and
educational advancement in Malaysia.

The Chancellor of Hamdard University, Senator S.M. Zafar, praised
the contributions of Dr. Mahathir for the progress of the Malaysians
as well as for the cause of the Ummah.●

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This is especially reproduced for the drooling-dogs of the west,
like Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz, so that they start biting
into their mangy flea-infested rumps while
their master humps them.

is this editorial-column in Jang any different? Imran Khan, Mahathir, S.H. Hasmi, Irshad Haqqani and so many others are saying the same thing about the brown-sahib syndrome in Pakistan. The brown-sahib, the drooling-dog of the west.

Iran got rid of them. Pakistan will be cleansed of them as well., inshallah. The Top drooling-dog on chowk got the message. That was the purpose of the post.

More is in store, if this drooling-dog of his masters does not stop his rabid anti-islam and anti-muslim yelpings.

How many faithfuls on the chowk think that the yesterday`s events in Russia is a justifiable reaction to all the hapennings in Chechenya?