Questioning the Hadeeth

re:#94 by vertex
The sad state of education in your country reflects in some of the posts by Pakis in Chowk. I have been in Chowk long enough to know this to be a fact.

``Sigh*. Yes, Yes, hinduism is not a religion, it is a loose philosophy that is everything...yet nothing....all that and a wagonwheel. Therefore, there can be no fundementalism, blah blah blah. You know exactly what I mean, they are a religio-political hindu organization. Very much analogos to the Mullah. Who cares how they got power.``
What has BJP got to do with Hinduism? Seriously, are u guys in some kind of mass hypnosis?
BJP is a political party with religious ideology. It is upto the people whether to accept or reject that ideology. As the last general elections have shown, majority have rejected that ideology. In a democrazy, even extreme ideology has a place under the sun.
You say who cares how they got to power. That shows your total ignorance of the concept of democracy.
``Geez...so I guess if the mullah was directly elected, then everything would be hunky- dory?``
If the mullahs manage a majority vote in a fair election, they would be justified to say that they have people`s backing of their ideology, just like BJP was trying to say that majority voted for its ``hindutva`` ideology when it was in power. But, that has not happened in Pak, has it?
Sridhar

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digit:
``then I`m afraid this condemnation of the acts of criminal terrorists coupled with the excusing of grander Russian brutality inspires little confidence in the moral compass you guide yourself by.``

When did I defend Russian brutality?

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rsridhar,

``The sad state of education in your country reflects in some of the posts by Pakis in Chowk. I have been in Chowk long enough to know this to be a fact. ``

Problem: I`m not a paki. Anyhow, your ``knowledge`` of ``facts`` is questionable....

``BJP is a political party with religious ideology``

As I said, they are a religio-political outfit. Just like the Mullahs (or at least the Mullahs you are talking about) are. The Mullahs do not command an institutionalized role in the vast majority (even self-declared ``Islamic``) ones. The Mullah and BJP are analogs in form and function. What does the BJP have to do with Hinduism? Exactly the same thing the Mullah has to do with Islam.

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An excellent analysis for the illiterates. only if they could read this.
Those who can read this would know the mindset of the illiterates of Pakistan..the drooling-dogs from cantonements & colonies.

#98 by rsridhar on September 5, 2004 6:20am PT

Agreed!
With posts like this from Hamid 81 I do not see any hope:

``.....rsridhar, you idol worshipping people whose Idols I can break with one sweep of my arm, are telling me what to do? Accept the facts, we ruled you and we will rule you: With the Koran and the Sunnah. We killed the idol worshippers and morons like you and will do it again. InshaAllah. And when did your stupid Bhagwans lived? In 2004? On top of the Himalayah? You don`t even know who they were. Whether they were real people or animals. A animal worshipping nation who is backword and hilarious in their beliefs should in my view be destroyed. So just shut up and pray to your Kali Mai that Pakistan doesn`t nuke you. Or else your Bhagwans will too be nuked with you. ..........``

re:#103 by ballukhan
You will note that my question about Qoran`s relevance today was rhetorical. I was not trying to make fun of his religion, which is also the religion of 100 million Indian muslims.
I was trying to say if people like him would ever stop looking at that text literally and go for a deeper inner meaning, which exists in all scriptures.
Or course, the point was lost on the moron.
The guy really showed his class. He chose to respond by denigrading my religion, a religion which has given the world Yoga and meditation and innumerable other assets.
Recently, Sri Sri Ravishankar was in Pakistan. Perhaps the moron in question should have attended his lecures. His I.Q would have come up a few notches above where it stands right now.
Sridhar

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Gibran,

I am not an Islamic scholar nor a linguist specializing in Arabic and I am 100% sure you are not one either. So if you expect me to listen to your arguments and ignore 1400 years of work done by Islamic scholars and jurists then I am sorry I cannot do that. Implying that the killing of 12 nepalese is somehow supported by Islam and by muslims and me for that matter is once again an idiotic assumption to say the least. You off course forget to mention the 100,000 plus who died in Afghanistan and God knows how many who have died in Iraq. As I said in my first response to your article you are expressing opinions using your limited knowledge of Islam. Nothing I say or do will change your mind. Instead of reforming Islam why not try and following it. I ask you do you follow the five basic pillars of Islam. Sadly this isnt about Islam or Hadith or the Quran its about you and the way you want to live your life as it is for all of us. Instead of following the religion you want the religion to change to your needs and circumstances. Thats what reform is, inst it?. So with that said I wish you good luck.

echosqueeeeek: your hatred for those brought up in cantonments indicates a bitterness at having being raised in the shi!tty (literally) streets of raja bazaar yourself. your inferiority complex with respect to white people has already been unwittingly revealed by you when you were wetting your pants with delight at a picture of gora faces in an audience listening to that bearded clown who is your hero.

Given your leecher personality, it is no surprise you have to hide behind a pompous nick while hiding your true name and cursing the rest of the world that did not have its origins in the gutters like you.

tahmed,

.......... so echoboom finally got to you ?........... but the fact of the matter is that these guys who walk around with unkempt beards, foul breath and the mark of satan on their foreheads are not the real threat ....... the real threat comes from those who refuse to stand up to them because they believe in the veracity of the book and are afraid that al-lah will smite them if they dare to challenge her ``revelations``............ just as the german nation was an accessory to the crimes committed by the nazis, the ummah is culpable in the present crimes against humankind (particularly womankind) being perpetrated by the islamists ..........

[When did I defend Russian brutality?]

Forgive me if I was wrong, however I thought your distinction between so-called collateral casualties and the victims of terrorist attacks implied one was more or less acceptable, while the other was condemnable. My point is that the two acts are much more close than apart.

#108 by hamidm2 on September 5, 2004 3:44pm PT

Well said. Our problem is that we are not willing to take a firm stand against terror killings by those who clearly want to ingulf this world into mindless communal violence- we want to take a moral stand as per the circumstances of the day and link it to the condemnation of atrocities in other parts of the world. By doing so we try to assume a superior moral stand and close our eyes at the enemy which is now standing at our own gates!!

hamidm #108 the mullahs (and their chamchas, like echosqueek) are no real threat to society - they were jokes in pakistani society and gained prominence only because our military found it convenient to use them for their own goals.

I dont know if you recall this, but in pakistan the standard rule was that if a boy was good for nothing, you sent him to the military (i remember interservices selection board officers joking about this among themselves) - and if he was rejected even from that, and if he lacked any other means of sustenance, he became a maulvi. And they carry no mass appeal (after all, they have nothing to offer except curses to all and sundry and stupid mullah issues that having nothing to do with either religion of real life).

but that of course does not mean they can be ignored - after all, too many innocent people have been killed at their hands to consider them. I do differ with you on the matter of whether these clowns represent islam (as you think) or whether they have nothing to do with islam (as I believe). Since we have had this discussion before, seems like there is nothing i can say to convince you otherwise, and so will agree to disagree (and hope someday you will reflect upon the points i made in earlier discussions). But we can both agree, I think, that the mullah has no place in any society - like priests in other religions, they have contributed nothing to human progress through the ages, and served only to cause innocent people to suffer. Even great muslims scientists like ibn sina and reformers like sir syed ahmed khan were pilloried by these rascals.

#104 by rsridhar on September 5, 2004 2:00pm PT

The literalist have ruled the Islamic intellectual horizon for long- and when you try to look at a ``deeper meaning`` in any of the Surahs and Hadeeths these mullahs would pounce on you.
I agree that Yoga does provide great therapeautic treatment to disturbed minds.