Indian Classical Music in Lahore

balluKhan. How do u know Rais Khan is gay? Did he give it you in the behind or did he give it to the other dagars? LOL. You must be hurting back there. But I guess all the stupid Dagars deserve this.
About the Indian army. LOL. Whihc is made up of Punjabis? Trust me one more move from Pakistan and we will break your country like a Pumpkin. Khalistan is ineveitable. Soon enough people like you would be dragged into the streets embarrased, your girls ripped off there dignity, just like all the other stupid Muslims, who have choosen to live in India. YOu and the other Muslims in India are pathetic loosers who should just die of shame on being part of a dirty country who supports terrorism against Muslims worldwide.
You know what when Indians stop listening to your music (whihc I am sure has happened, because you seem to have all the time on your hands to be on chowk 24/7) then you should probably become a mature adult entertainer. Probably swinging your butt on teental will make you more money than being a pathetic looser.
I pity you. You are old, and a looser in every aspect and just try to jerk off after writing anti-Pakistan things. But I am happy to see that Pakistanis burn your ass 24/7. Mirasis like you deserve to die. Is your wife still alive? Spent some time with her, you will probably feel lighter. LOL. Or are you gay? I will ask Rais Khan if he has some time he can probably satisfy you. LOL.

#75 by hamid_81 on September 3, 2004 5:13pm PT

Hamid the Launda!

Its alright if you want to trade abuses- first Rais Khan- he is infact a gay and I am sure you would also be providing great services for him when he visits you in US. And I know more about the ``impeccable`` character of the residents of your pureland than perhaps you can even imagine.
Finally, lEt these dogs bark across the borders. I know that my freedom is adequately protected from mullahs like you by my constitution and my brave army!! In case any need arises I know your tail would be on fire soon.

Ballu Khan The Hindu
Laundi means a women employed by a Muslim master. And Again I did not say this. It is in the Koran. You know what that is? The holy book of Muslims. So your, modern day, intellectual crap is meaningless if you cannot support it from either the Koran or the Sunnah. And I have supported my argument directly from the Koran. There is no 2 sided interpretation of this ayat. It means one thing. That you canot marry hindus. So if you have also committed this sin ( I know the dagar family is renowned to flirt with their foriegn students, in the absences of their wives, especially when all of them look like horny old Bas.ards), then you are a sinner Plain and simple. If you have any counter argument bring it on. Lets see what your modern day free-spirited intellectual crap has to offer. And yes Indian Muslims by becoming like the Hindus have compromised their religion and lost their identity. They are not more than pathetic, helpless creatures who are beyond all help, and just lick the boots of Hindus to find a place for themselves in india. I really really pity you.
#71 by rsridhar on September 3, 2004 7:56am PT
Yes our Allah is different from all other gods. Because He has stated specifically in the Koran by what name He is to be called, and what things needed to be done to please Him. So I don`t know what the other gods are selling but I have definite rules to follow to please my Allah. The Muslim Theologians and intellectuals are doing a great job. I don`t know who Yogananda is, and I don`t care. I am a Muslim and I don`t need to learn about islam from a Hindu. Period. There are more lerned Muslim scholars out there to guide me. I can pick up the Koran and read and know about my religion. I can go ask questions to good Muslim scholars from Jamia Al-Azhar( one or two of which are always in America giving lectures in Masjids) and they can guide me as they are guiding other Muslims. So again the Muslims have beemn reading the road-map correctly, and know how to practise their faith. it is just Muslims like Amjad ali Khan and ballukhan who are a disgrace to the Muslims. Their lack of knowledge and wrong interpretation of the Ayats which are plain and simple and are against their ideas and deeds have made Islam into a confusing and mis-understood religion.

#72 by Ralph on September 3, 2004 12:30pm PT
Jazak-Allah Brother!
Great Answer!

#72 and 71.

Shut the hell up. Both of you guys are dumb asses.

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#71 by rsridhar

A typical Hindu post. I will clear your misconceptions.

1. YOU: God is beyond religion. Religion is an invention of human being.

FACT: Your religion is the invention of human beings. Our religion was divinely given. Allah actually spoke to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). So whatever is written in Quran are actually Allah`s words.

2. YOU: Have u ever seen animals kill each other for religion?

FACT: Only animals don`t kill each other religion. Life is not so precious that it come in the way of religious matters.


3. YOU: Is your Allah different from God or Ishwar of Yahovah? They have to be the same.

FACT: They are not. Allah is a unique words. There is nothing like it. No Muslim will pray to anything other than Allah. You may pray to God. A Muslim will pray only to Allah. We have even gotten rid of the mistake of equating Khuda with Allah.

4. YOU: Your Qoran proclaims again and again that there is but one God.

FACT: True. That `One` God is Allah and Allah only, not God or Ishwar or Yahovah or Khuda.

5. YOU: Qoran offers one way, Bible another and for the Hindus, there is a zillion way.

FACT: Bible offers the corrupted way. Hindus offer prayers in a zilliong wrong ways. There is only one correct way of praying, one correct way of worshipping. Allah the Merciful Himself revealed that way. If the other zillion-1 ways were correct, Allah would have had to speak for much longer than he actually did.

6. YOU: But we are talking about the same God

FACT: In your dreams. Naturally you wish to equate your religion with Islam. We are better and we are correct.


7. YOU: As Yogananda said

FACT: There you go. Worshipping Godmen. I suggest you read Hamza Yusuf.

8. YOU: Religion is like a road map. If you do not read that map correctly, you will not reach your destination.

FACT: Precisely what I am saying. The Holy Quran provides that golden, glorious, and wonderful roadmap. You will never get to your destination by travelling in those other zillion-1 ways.

9. YOU: And i humbly submit that for the past several centuries, muslim mullahs have not been reading the road map correctly.

FACT: We will dominate the world. There is no God but Allah. We will rule again. As followers of the correct religion, we have a right to rule over others, you included. But you don`t have to be concerned. Once we establish `true` Islamic rule, you will have more happiness than if you ruled yourself.

hamid_81 #66

You are most welcome. You are a Muslim. Write only what is doctrinally correct. Always be faithful to the spirit of Islam.

re:#66 by hamid_81
``And also, I don`t proclaim that somebody is a Muslim or a non-Muslim. Allah says it in the Koran, black and white as to who is and who isn`t. Then why fret?``
The problem with people like u is you guys act like u have been taking opium for ages.
Since when did Allah start bothering about religion? God is beyond religion. Religion is an invention of human being. Have u ever seen animals kill each other for religion?
Is your Allah different from God or Ishwar of Yahovah?
They have to be the same. Your Qoran proclaims again and again that there is but one God.
If that be the case, then what we are talking is: how do we worship the same God. Qoran offers one way, Bible another and for the Hindus, there is a zillion way. But we are talking about the same God
As Yogananda said (look him up in the internet, will you? It might change your life and broaden your vision), religion is like a road map. If you do not read that map correctly, you will not reach your destination.
And i humbly submit that for the past several centuries, muslim mullahs have not been reading the road map correctly.
Sridhar

hamid_81/66 - you said ````And also, I don`t proclaim that somebody is a Muslim or a non-Muslim. Allah says it in the Koran, black and white as to who is and who isn`t. Then why fret?````

I would like to offer a correction to what you said. Allah does not say it in the Koran. Human beings who later on interpreted things, often differently, say it in the Koran.

However, if it is your contention that only what is written in a book is paramount, then why don`t you live only by The Book? Where does it say in The Book that you are permitted to read on a monitor, type on a keyboard, use electricity, &c &c?

Oh yes, that`s evolution.

Then why, next question, would anybody deny that The Book can also evolve.

Yes, I have read the Koran. Yes, I pray. So, you please restrain from telling or ballukhan to shut up, because where does it say in The Book that we have to shut up?

#65 by hamid_81 on September 2, 2004 10:06am PT

Ok Noora Pehalwan- onto some semantics. You wrote:

`` It is stated that it is better to marry a ``laundi`` who is a Muslim rather than a non-Muslim woman. ``
Which clearly implies that a non-muslim woman is even worse than a muslim laundi (prostitute).
That is a typical literalist interpretation and I have no need for your citations to justify your perverse views about women. In case you want to get into some theological discussion then there is a topic running right now on ``Questioning the Hadeeth`` by
Gibran Bham at
http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00004003&channel=gulberg&order=0&start=0&end=9&page=1&chapter=1#replies

You can post your views about Indian muslims and how they are posing a great danger to the Pakistani muslim by marrying out of faith there. I also do not intend to get into a theological debate on the correct interpretation of the Surah whose import becomes clear when you see it in the context of the spiritual relationship between the man and the almighty.

However, the Indian (or any other) muslims do not need ugly certificates from an uglier person like you in order to defile our faith in the almighty. So keep away to your pure land with your certificate on your passport about your true faith- which is deen-e-fasad.

#65 by hamid_81 on September 2, 2004 10:06am PT

Ok Noora Pehalwan- onto some semantics. You wrote:

`` It is stated that it is better to marry a ``laundi`` who is a Muslim rather than a non-Muslim woman. ``
Which clearly implies that a non-muslim woman is even worse than a muslim laundi (prostitute).
That is a typical literalist interpretation and I have no need for your citations to justify your perverse views about women. In case you want to get into some theological discussion then there is a topic running right now on ``Questioning the Hadeeth`` by
Gibran Bham at
http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00004003&channel=gulberg&order=0&start=0&end=9&page=1&chapter=1#replies

You can post your views about Indian muslims and how they are posing a great danger to the Pakistani muslim by marrying out of faith there. I also do not intend to get into a theological debate on the correct interpretation of the Surah whose import becomes clear when you see it in the context of the spiritual relationship between the man and the almighty.

However, the Indian (or any other) muslims do not need ugly certificates from an uglier person like you in order to defile our faith in the almighty. So keep away to your pure land with your certificate on your passport about your true faith- which is deen-e-fasad.

#56 ralph Thanks Ralph!
balluKhan, READ what I have written and then write. I wrote that to marry a ``Muslim Laundi`` is better than to marry a non-muslim. Have you read the Koran? Are you a Muslim? Do you Pray? If not then just shut up and hold it tight. Amjad Ali Khan Saheb is a gifted musician no doubt. But whether he is a Muslim or not is a different story. These are two different things so keep them seperate. Well, whether you get agitated or all the Hindus get upset, the truth is the truth. In your modern and intellectual world I know there is no place for religion and people like me. But hey to be an intellectual it doesn`t mean that you have to give your religion and marry a Hindu. And if you are a Muslim then act like one as well, regardless of whether you live in India or any other nation.I live in America and still I am aware of my religion. Why aren`t the Indian Muslims? I guess it is just the up-bringing.
And also, I don`t proclaim that somebody is a Muslim or a non-Muslim. Allah says it in the Koran, black and white as to who is and who isn`t. Then why fret?

BalluKhan the Muslim the read the following. I hope you at least know what the Koran is and what is a surah.



But it is not permissible for a Muslim man to marry a Magian (Zoroastrian) woman or a communist woman or an idol-worshipping woman, etc.

The evidence for that is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And do not marry Al-Mushrikaat (idolatresses) till they believe (worship Allaah Alone). And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (idolatress), even though she pleases you”

[al-Baqarah 2:221]

A mushrikah is an idol-worshipping woman who worships stones, whether from among the Arabs or others.

It is not permissible for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim from any other religion, whether from among the Jews or Christians, or any other kaafir religion. It is not permissible for her to marry a Jew, a Christian, a Magian, a communist, an idol-worshipper, etc.

The evidence for that is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al‑Mushrikoon till they believe (in Allaah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater), even though he pleases you. Those (Al-Mushrikoon) invite you to the Fire, but Allaah invites (you) to Paradise and forgiveness by His Leave, and makes His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to mankind that they may remember”

[al-Baqarah 2:221]

#58 by kaurasach on September 1, 2004 6:27pm PT
``According to some mullahs music is haram...there are edicts now and then to the effect and bans too. ...``

Coming to edicts and farmans- Aurangzeb was the greatest rascal in the history of Indian Classical music- a murderer of his own brother and his father- a perpeterator of countless atrocities on his own son and daughter- he was an epitome of cruelity- he was the man who ordered a farmans against the ancient Indian music- he was reponsible for the migration of some of the best musicians from Delhi darbars- in fact he advised all the musicians to do something else in order to earn a living. No wonder he is the favourite Moghul of the mullahs of Pakistan.

For all of you debating on whether music should be allowed in Pakistan, by Islam, by Hindus, whataver, if you like it, attend. If not, stay home, no? Especially the anonymous web-presences like hamid something.

For the rest - there is this BIG mosque in Lahore in the GOR area, near Dampur Road, where the mighty gather to pray. Right opposite is this huge Race Course, used for cultural functions now. Last I was there, Palash Sen of Euphoria and a couple of other Indian bands were jamming with Pakistani bands till late at night, past midnight. But interestingly,earlier in the evening, the bands and the cover groups would take a break at exactly the correct time for the muezzins to do their thing. Obviously this was by arrangement and synchronised, but I am told it sounded so . . . lovely?

Aradhana, anybody?