Indian Classical Music in Lahore

sorry dude i just saw the foot note.. spicmacay.com :-)
if only we could download music from here..download link shows under construction
and people,classical or semiclassical music is best enjoyed live..i dont know what it is about live classical performances..it is just mesmerizing..

okay okay hamid_81

you have the right to pronounce if someone is a muslim or not. but see, even musicians who call themselves muslim are going though hindu practices since that is what they have been doing since they started learning in their childhood!

in any case, music will be richer without bigots like you.

Navin, what are the online resources for classical music? I mean where we can download,or acces forums etc.?does spicmacay have a web site?

#45, by hamid_81 on September 1, 2004 11:14am PT

Mr. Noora Pehalwan should tell the vice brigade of his country that Amjad Ali Saheb is not a pure enough muslim so that they can throw them some nukes on the country to get rid of all the impure Indian muslims.
And calling all the non-muslim women ``laundi`` only shows your perverse attitude towards women. Fortunately Amjad Ali Saheb is out of your reach and you can only throw abuses across your border at every successful muslim musician in India like Rais Khan ( alias Bheeku Ram of Pakistan) does nowadays.

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Hamid_81

Your bold honesty and doctrinal clarity are very impressive. Most so-called Muslims on Chowk would not know Islam if Allah dropped it upon their heads. So desirous they have become of pleasing others that they magically make Islam appear like Jainism or Buddhism with words `Allah` and Arabia thrown in.

You come as a breath of fresh air - a real Muslim describing aspects of real islam as it actually is, always has been, and always will be.

Do maintain your precious honesty. As such, you can raise the honesty index of Chowk discussions by standing up for real Islam when pseudo Muslims begin to play their habitual game of smoke and mirrors -- distorting your religion in order to fit it into the belief systems of non Muslims.

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hamid_81:

And that my friend is the difference between us. We honour Amjad Ali Khan, for his achievments and abilities, and do not care lives by percepts of cavemen such as you.

What challenge are you talking about? There can be NO exceptions to the basic principals of islam. A Muslim man is only allowed to marry either a Muslim woman or a woman from the ``religions of the book``, which include, Christinas, Jews and others, but NOT Hindus. It is stated that it is better to marry a ``laundi`` who is a Muslim rather than a non-Muslim woman. Plain and simple. The modern anti-Islamic, intellectual Muslims might differ saying it doesn`t make sense and love is eternal and we should only marry who we think is right for us, bottom line they can`t do it. In the eyes of Allah it will not be a marriage but just a Zinnah. Plain and simple. Period. So no fatwa, or any other thing is desired from mullahs. The Koran says it all. So amjad ali Khan, and all the other Muslim artists who have married Hindu women or vice versa, are living in sin. Period. According to the Koran and the Sunnah. So no matter what music they make they are not Muslims.
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45/hmid
//..He is an Indian but please don`t call him a Muslim. And he should have the guts to say so as well...//

Yeah ... you da man! This guys is kufr and yet calls himself muslim. How dare he? That`s blasphemy!! A fatwa is due here!!

Where is mullah brigrade when you need one? Any chowki mullah upto the challenge here??

Ballukhan

Post # 25

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`` During the days of Darbars honorary titles like Pandit or Ustad were confered by the distinguished gatherings of the Nawab`s or the Maharaja`s Courts. But, with the collapse of the Darbars there remained no such authority to decide and confer such titles. Post independence there were some small time societies which used to confer similar high sounding titles little ``Sangeet KAlanidhi`` to performers who could afford to pay them . However, even that has became unnecessary and now any idiot who can do dir dir like a zombie on the sitar can call himself a Ustad or Pandit after some years of practise. It is nowadays used by the siblings of these erstwhile Ustads as a family title in order to achieve a better publicity of their names not withstanding the deficiencies in their skills.``

My understanding is, title of Pundit is for those who had/have mastery on a subject or subjects. Not limited to music but could be any subject. And this title did not have to come from or conferred by some darbar/s only. Whereas Ustad can be a master of a subject but having mastery would not be necessary. For, generally it tends to be taken as someone who teaches. Could be a teacher too.

Hamid_81

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`` but the truth is that she used to live with a Nawab or Raja if he wished her to and took care of her needs. ``

From where, this truth has come ....

I could be wrong but as far as I know, she was married to well educated/cultured and well off guy/person.

Hamid_81

Here is some information on Begum Akhtar`s background..

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Akhtaribai Faizabadi, or Begum Akhtar as she was more popularly known, was born on 7th October, 1914 in the small town of Faizabad, Uttar Pradesh in northern India. She was born in a high class family that was not musically inclined. However, at her uncle`s insistence, she was sent to train under Ustad Imdad Khan, the great sarangi exponent, and later under Ata Mohammed Khan. Later she travelled to Calcutta with her mother and started learning music from classical stalwarts like Mohammad Khan, Abdul Waheed Khan and finally she became the disciple of Ustad Jhande Khan Saheb.

Her first public peformance was at the tender age of fifteen. She took the music world by storm. The famous poetess Smt. Sarojini Naidu appreciated her singing during a concert which was organised in the aid of victims of Bihar earthquake. This encouraged her to continue singing ghazals with more enthusiasm. She also cut her first disc for the Megaphone Record Company at that time. A number of gramophone records were released carrying her ghazals, dadras, thumris, etc.

With the advent of talkie era in India, Begum Akhtar acted in a few Hindi movies in thirties. East India Film Company of Calcutta approached her to act in KING FOR A DAY (alias Ek Din Ka Badshah) and NAL DAMAYANTI in the year 1933. Like others of that era, she sang her songs herself in all her films. She continued acting in the following years. The movies she acted in are: Ameena (1934), Mumtaz Begum (1934), Jawaani Ka Nasha (1935), Naseeb Ka Chakkar (1935).

Subsequently Begum Akhtar moved back to Lucknow where she was approached by the famous producer-director Mehboob Khan, as a result of which she acted in ROTI which was released in 1942 and whose music was composed by maestro Anil Biswas. ROTI contained six of her ghazals but unfortunately due to some trouble between producer and director, Mehboob Khan subsequently deleted 3-4 ghazals from the film. All the ghazals are available on Megaphone gramophone records. Begum Akhtar, meanwhile, left Bombay and returned to Lucknow.

In 1945, Begum AKhtar was married to barrister Ishtiaq Ahmed Abbasi and became known as Begum Akhtar. However, after marriage, due to her husband`s restrictions, she could not sing almost 5 years, and subsequently, she fell ill. Music was prescribed as the only remedy! In 1949, she returned to the recording studios. She sang three ghazals and a dadra at Lucknow Radio Station. She wept aferwards and returned to singing in concerts, a practice which lasted until her death.

IMPORTANT NEWS
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We are sorry to inform everyone that Pandit Vishwa Mohan Bhatt will not be in our group.
Unfortunately his passport has been stuck at the French embassy for a visa.
He is departing for Paris on the 6th of September.
We apologize for any inconvenience.

Farzna Versey

Post #22

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`` One needs to remember that most true artistes see music as ibaadat/dharma ``

Is it being conveyed that ibaadat and dharma are same thing/synonymous (spl?)?

Thanks for the info, Ballukhan and soysauce....this board is coming dangerously close to a useless quarrel.

And yes, I would LIKE TO REPORT, as in give an account of, convey, describe, inform, even testify in a court of law if need be, that many Pakistani artistes are open-minded and all the rest I said in an earlier post.

Am sure the organisation and Lahoris have a real good time...