Indian Classical Music in Lahore

Navin

Let music flow and enrich our lives. We need a lot of it.

thanks.

NHK

That is interesting! It is like the Britishers recounting the story of Mohenjodaro to the very dwellers of that land who have forgotten their legacy.
How interesting it would be to tell the Pakis that the weakest Moghul of their Pak Studies was the most cultured person of ``their`` times and that the Indians take great pride in considering his court songs as ``Indian`` Classical Music. Two cheers for Mohammad Shah Rangeeley and Niyamat Khan!

``Indian classical music``? We call it Pakistani classical music.

Ballukhan

Ironic, isn`t it? :)

At least in the case of Mohanjodaro there was the intervening variable of time. Here, merely politics.

Ref dionysus #2

[``Indian classical music``? We call it Pakistani classical music.]

Personally, I tend to call it ``Persian Classical Music`` or ``Hindustani Classical Music``. I refuse to call it ``Shastriya Sangeet`` since I believe this music has only a tenuous connection to any shastras.

On the other hand, if SPIC-MACAY had chosen to include a couple of Carnatic musicians in the group, they would have made your heads spin by their music`s rhythmic complexity.

Your loss, toots!

Re:dionysus#2

Sirjee, for the sake of regional cooperation and maintaining the current atmosphere of goodwill, let`s call it South Asian Classical Music!! Happy? :-)

Harimau ... do you know how the word ``shastra`` is used ?

What is arthashastra ?
What is Bharata`s contribution to Music and Dance ?

What is the natyashastra ?

Dude - you must spend time reading/understanding the original texts and the various traditions before commenting.

I like the idea. :)

People like Hamid_81 should not be allowed in to auditoriums where Hindus are playing.

SPIC MACAY is strictly a Non Political / Secular student based movement; therefore I would humbly request all to look beyond the box.
Our aim is to bring the message of peace and contentment though our musical tradition.
Just give us a chance guys!!!!
Thanks

People like me would probably NEVER go where Hindus are playing. And frankly, hindu artists should not be allowed to perform in Pakistan.

I would like to report that the artiste community in Pakistan is not at all narrow-minded. They are proud of their identity and yet graciously accept that much of their heritage is part Indian.

I have often wondered, though, as to why Hindu musicians prefix their names with Pandit and Muslims with Ustad...and why is there no honorific title for women? Gangubai Hangal, Shobha Gurtu, Kishori Amonkar...

#11 by hamid_81:

[People like me would probably NEVER go where Hindus are playing. And frankly, hindu artists should not be allowed to perform in Pakistan.]

Don`t say that, please. Not after even sideys like Shilpa Shetty get feted there...

Hamid:

So why did you say that you like the idea? What a hypocrite.

It is interesting t see the currents and countercurrents among and within each respondent. It is obvious that the classical and popular musics are the most obvious bonds between the two population groups. Keep on talking and thinking of the bonds that bind and sooner or later they start acting across the artificial boundaries!!!!!

Farzana. The reason why I said that was in reply to Stuka. It doesn`t reflect my inner ideology. It was merely to piss him off.
Rising above the level of people like Stuka I would like to add that it is a good start and would promote good musical exchange among the two nations.
Now about the hindus having Pandits and muslims having Ustads as their Prefix, while women having none: In India, it was not thought good of women to sing. They were considered to be of low class and disturbed moral values. Like Begum Akhtar. She was a great singer but the truth is that she used to live with a Nawab or Raja if he wished her to and took care of her needs. For men this Prefix displays Mastery and Authority over the art, while none was developed for women, because it was considered low. But there is one thing. We consider the word ``bai`` or ``bai ji`` as a word that refers to randi`s. But the truth is that it was used for women of good social and moral level. When did that started to be linked with prostitutes, I don`t know. But it is a shame. It really is that we consider Men when they sing to be great, but women as prostitutes. I mean, consider RoshanAra Begum. She was the best and better than many Male singers. She had great moral, ethical and religious values, but still she was never given a respectable title. Neither in india nor in Pakistan. Even now there is this notion that women singers are not of good upbringing and that is why no title was developed for Women singers

What Indian classical music? The indigenous music of India was and still is a dhol and some kar kar karaaa sounding munter (played in south India). The present day Indian classical music known to the Desi public has Central Asian, Persian and Greek roots.