We Don’t Need You Shaukat Aziz

ikonoclast

I wonder how you call SA intelligent. I don`t know him personally but as seen on the tv he seems to be highly self-conscious and affectatious person with ,so to say, a rod in his neck. He seems to be a production of a military farm made to order, saying nothing but to further his personal interest which is the secret of his success as a professional and a lackey. Did you see him smiling when Shujaat was signing his resignation on the tv? No intelligent man can do that. Did not you see him bowing before the `Black Stone`? No intelligent man can do that and let it be splashed on the tv without some qualm of conscience.

Itz nice to read so much vibrant and disparate comment!
I just want to reiterate / clarify a few salient points I made in the article.

1. Shaukat Aziz as an individual is not a bad person at all. He is intelligent, articulate and a professional. Period. My objection is SA`s prostituting his awesome talents to an illegitimate regime. Why is SA letting himself be exploited? I object his getting into the PM`s House thru a backdoor, by subverting the rules and getting elected thru a farcical and a blatantly rigged elections.
2. By joining a usurper-military regime, SA has become part of it. He is now equally culpable and contaminated.
3. It is not that every Pakistani sitting in the US, as some members here have alluded to, are unpatriotic, but the fact remains that SA did carry out the inspection of Kahuta on the behest of the Americans; and if this is not serving the American interests, than what is it?
4.Some people here have very vociforeously, but nevertheless subjectively argued that SA be given a chance. My point is simple: the very fact, that the whole poliical dispensation is skewered to serve Mush`s interests, whatever SA will do, will only serve Mush`s purpose. Any benefit to the people would be incidental.
5. SA wont be serving democracy, like Jamali and Shujaat, SA is a creature of Mush, to do his bidding and of course to watch over Uncle Sam`s interests. SA is also Uncle Sam`s insurance to have a continuity, when it decides to ditch Mush. Of course am not implying that the power-prepondrance would shift from the military to the civilians.
6. SA has become of the same ilk, as of Karzai and Allawi.
7. The basic contention in my article has been proved 2 days back, from speaking ``his master`s voice``, SA enunciated that Mush would be keeping the uniform in view of the compulsions of the national interests. And that if necessary, an act of the ``parliment`` would be enacted to do the needful. What more prove one needs to see the true role and face of SA.

I wouldnt redit the MMA with that much bbabu....but if that is the case, they are real losers. Anyhow, it is frightening that they might be able to come into power if a legit democracy was in place...and once in, only god knows what would happen to pakistan. Its about time we banned religion from the state...show some common sense.

nukecular #102

`` Assasin...I think if he sheds his uniform, he`s in trouble...cause his main source of power is the army. He will probably hang on to it...but can`t understand the clamour from the MMA...the only reason they are around is because of Musharraf. If Musharraf goes, so do they?! ``

May be it is for the public consumption for MMA supporters. They need to pretend that they are ``an opposition party``. They will lose credibility with their constituents if they support Musharraf especially when he is publicly supposed to be helping the USA.

This is without doubt the best and most balanced article I have read on chowk. Excellent work and I cant wait to read your next article.

Rgds

Gibran Bham

Stone-worshipping? Are not both Hidus and Muslims who worship the black stone, the same nation , the one calling it `Shiv Ling` and the other `Hajre Aswad`? Should they not be called the nations of the `Black Stone`? Interestingly, one tradition says that the black stone worshipped by the Muslims reached Mecca through India (Ceylone, to be exact, which was then part of India as Pakistan was once) on its way from heaven.

The terms ``stone-worshipping``, ``cow piss drinking`` etc. are the last resort of a frustrated Paki. Arjun seems to have beaten up the nuke guy big time for him to come up with the usual Paki gems.

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hahaha..

seems arjun pressed all the raw nerves of nukecular at the same time!! o my god! this person must have been harassed big time at some airport.

arjun.. yeh tume accha nahin kiya.( cow pee be upon you)...ROTFL!

Ive had enough, SRI arjun jee!

hindi boy...your sorry indian ass would be interogated the same way on an airport like any other south asian / middle eastern person...infact, probably worse if you were sikh...sounds like you have nothing better to do than sit around reading pakistani newspapers and searching for anti-pakistani propaganda...you sad sad `little` (probably also short) indian man...

India...the worlds biggest democracy? Hah! Cant even face that the Kashmiris dont want to be part of your country...sort out your own issues before you start having ago at Pakistan or muslims...kashmir is and always will be muslim...and regardless, pakistan will always be behind their just freedom struggle against an oppressive hindu (not secular) state...

Just because you dont give a shi*t about your own religion, cause you are a bunch of cow p*ss drinking ram jee worshippers, doesnt mean you can have a go at Islam. If you didnt feel so insecure, you wouldnt be worried about the muslims in your country taking over the country...as for all your economic progress arguments, outsourcing? wanna work in a cheap a*s call centre at 3 in the morning...yes, please...Im indian...get a life...economic progress because the indian market was flooded by western companies marketing their products? how is that an achievement for the indians? you`re still a bunch of stone worshipping p*ss drinkers.

shove that up your mumbaikar/delhi/agra/gujrati etc arse.

Pakistan Paindabad!

Assasin...I think if he sheds his uniform, he`s in trouble...cause his main source of power is the army. He will probably hang on to it...but can`t understand the clamour from the MMA...the only reason they are around is because of Musharraf. If Musharraf goes, so do they?!

Dont you think the political scene in Pakistan is getting nasty? It doesnt look like any of the parties could do any good to the country if they got absolute power (i.e. if Musharraf went).

Keep your indian views to yourself arjun - no one wants to hear them.

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Okay, lets not further enter into horrendous quagmire but for all my fellow chowkies, let us concentrate on debating the President`s uniform. If he does not shed it, I think Musharraf will lose an opportunity to go into the books of history as a truthful and competent military ruler ....

Arjun,
You seem to be in some sort of denial on Kashmir. Just because India is militarily powerful today does not mean it can keep Kashmir forever. Ultimately the will of the people of Kashmir will prevail. The real reason that India does not want to ask THE QUESTION from kashmiris is that you already know what their answer will be and it wont be for living with India.

Are you ashamed that India supported, armed and funded the Mukti Bahini? We dont need to apologise for supporting a just struggle.

I wonder what India is doing in Kashmere by providing only soft targets to the jiahdies and allowing anti-Indian propaganda by Gilani, etc. I think they are not serious either in stopping this blood letting in Kashmir or do not have the guts to do what Pak army is ding in Wana. On one hand they try to keep up the facade of democracy and then deny its operation in Kashmir. I think only Amanullah khan and Asghar Khan are sincere in ending this blood letting by advocating independence of Kashmir as independence of Bengalies with the creation of Bangladesh solved their problem of subjugation by West Pakistan. Repeating the oft-repeated arguments for the past 57 years are of no avail now as niether Kashmir is not that Kashmir nor Pakistan that Pakistan as these were 57 years ago.

85 by godot

Have you seen SA bowing before the blackstone and then offering `nimaze istisqa` praying for rain to fall in Pakistan in Saudi Arabia, a country where rain seldom falls. All this shown on TV just to befool the people. What was the result of his show. A few clouds present on the sky of Pakistan also disappeared.

My dear a good banker cannot necessarily be a good pm. How can a man at war with Allah, a master of `soodkhori`, filling the coffers of his masters by skinning the people can have the qualities of a pm. He is bragging all the time about 10 billion dollers, but does not the people are crying `aata, aata`. He is the blood sucker of the first water, seems like production of a military farm.

I laughed out loud when i read your post...funny stuff...