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2004: One Year Closer to Nineteen Eighty-four

Nima Shirali September 7, 2004

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#8 Posted by stuka on September 7, 2004 12:06:03 pm
NFP:

Talking oif Brazil, Lula certainly turned around on his anti market rhetoric didn`t he? Sensible chap. :)
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#7 Posted by stuka on September 7, 2004 12:03:00 pm
Baaghiraaja:

But the market constitutes of who? Us!

The market is ultimately democratic because of choices. The state exists to regulate markets to some extent (law and order) but it is ultimately more democratic that leftist elitism.
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#6 Posted by baaghiraja on September 7, 2004 10:56:25 am
#2 Stuka,
It`s not about left-wing or right-wing anymore. It`s about being wingless but pretending to be in glorious flight. It`s quite a different world now. And that is why I would shove a Nokia Phone up Orwell`s butt today instead of one of Stalin`s favourite pair of army boots, dig?

And amit,
BJP lost the elections, or haven`t you noticed? And Gujrat was quite a scene a few months ago, or have you forgotten? And anyways, stop confusing the issue. It`s not about religion. Religion usually sucks (as your response to this article has proven). It`s about the agenda of neoliberal economics, or didn`t you get it?

-NfP
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#5 Posted by amit on September 7, 2004 10:30:38 am
Ms. Shirali,
It is really painful to hear muslim intellectuals like yourself continously rant and rave against the US, while you do not devote even 1% attention to the absolute breakdown of humanitarian values in the Islamic world. The world just witnessed 100 plus kids being slaughtered in cold blood by Chechen rebels in Russia in the name of Islamic jihad, yet you have the nerve to lecture the west about its slipping commitment to democracy? Do you even realize the depth of double standards that you have?

Every day you hear about bomb blasts somewhere, suicide bombings, brutal and graphic beheadings and all kinds of barbarism from the Islamic world or its interface points with the rest of the world. Yes, there are just causes and freedom is indeed a just cause to fight for. But the means adopted by the terrorists all over the globe, is simply beyond the pale of human decency. By their repeated actions, they are creating a wrong image of muslims as bloodthirsty killers. Yet there is hardly a voice raised against this kind of outrage. What is the rest of the world supposed to do? Just swallow this nonsense and follow democratic norms to the letter? The US was attacked on 9/11 without any provocation at all. After that they have got rid of the Taliban which was long overdue due to the monstrous nature of that regime. The attack on Saddam was not necessary but at the end of the day it is good riddance of an absolute brute. So please look into your side of the equation which is totally rotten, before pointing fingers at the US.
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#4 Posted by HP on September 7, 2004 10:30:38 am
“The “concentration of power” means that the elites are progressively accumulating more and more authority and control over the majority of the human race. Elites exist in both the private and public spheres and they share the common interest of violently preserving their position of dominance by suppressing any threat which may jeopardize their power.”

I will have more on this later but may I ask the author:
When was the last time in human history when elites were not in control of all the resources?
Even the communist Party, its surrogates, and bureaucrats became the elite in the only state, where some claimed to have reached the pinnacle of power with the help of non-elite.
Then isn’t the non elite only party that pays for the misdeeds or misadventures of the elite.

What was the last time a war was fought exclusively(physically) by elite?

Being poor means working for the owners- you like it or not. Orwell and his books are for poor to know exactly how they are going to be treated because it is their fault to be poor.

…And please don’t call me insensitive… I am a good paymaster.


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#3 Posted by baaghiraja on September 7, 2004 10:30:38 am
I have already maintained that if the state is/was the Big Brother in ``communist`` societies, than the ``market`` is a bigger brother in capitalist setups. Do watch 1985`s `Brazil` for a stark, Kafka-meets-Monty-Python version of the said observation. Made me want to dig out Orwell from his grave and stick a Nokia Mobile Phone up his arse!

rgds,
NfP
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#2 Posted by stuka on September 7, 2004 9:45:50 am
Another leftist rant. Roght wing Think tanks are NOT funded by the government. No think tanks are funded by the government in a literal sense. Governments, depending on thier political orientation, may use or sponsor some activites.

Please do not make an attempt to come across as objective in your article. Also, it is rather ironic that a leftist alludes to 1984 whereas Orwell`s Animal Farm as well as 1984 were scathing crtiques of Communism and not ``right wing`` Petit Bergouise sponsored democracies.
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