Culture Wars

9 by echoboom

It is all third class propaganda stuff which can hardly withstand any factual and critical analysis. For men like ehoboom one can only say: `hue tum dost jiske dushman uska aasman kion ho`. He is mixing up the Arab Ummi culture with Islam, attributing good things of that culture to Islam and comparing them with the bad things of `Kitaabi`, i.e. Judaistic culture of Arabs when, in fact, all three have the same source, Judaism; Islam being only the Arabic edition to Ibrani and Latin editions, known as Jewish and Christian ones, respectively. Just think who was Khadijah, owning wealth and doing import and export business even before the advent of Islam. And what do you think about the `Loundies`, especially the women plundered during conquest. Are they not women? You can have sex with them even if they are married and you can have as many of them as you can have and have free sex with them. I personally treat these plus points for Islam, especially the provision of extra-marital sex, about which echoboonish Islam is completely silent. I may tell him that I am an ethnic Arab and proud of that culture including Islam and its Judaistic source and not defensive about it like echoboon.

Echoboom Sahib,

That stick up your backside that you mistake for a spine has clouded your ability to be coherent. Please explain the logic of your post.

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Buy then there is the Almanac and ``enemy`` sources even post 9/11. The westoxicated intellectual is trying to flatten the earth or giving it a counterspin. Nothing is working.

`tis your `ducation you dunce. You have been freeze-framed in the missionary-position.

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``kheera naa kr skaa mujhhay , jalva-e daanish-e franG
surmaa hai mairee aankh kaa khaak-e madina O Najaf``

tr:
Never could I be blinded by the glitzy-glare of the western thougt
The kohl that`s in my eyes, is the dust from Madina and Najaf``




According to ``The Almanac Book of Facts``, the population increased 137% within the past decade, Christianity increased 46%, while Islam increased 235%.

In a recent poll in the (US), 100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam, Why?

It is Clear why Christians are converting.

1. Christian Scientists are declaring the Koran is from God. Visit Here for Christian and atheist Scientists who convert to Islam and why: http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch13.html. click here


2. The Christian Bishops and Priests are admitting the Bible has tensions. http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch2.1.html
click here

3. Jesus is a Muslim: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4229/jam.html
click here

The question still remains, why are more women converting than men to Islam ?
Perhaps they realize their Soul is worth the Factual Research.

1. The Bible Convicts Women as the original
Sinners, (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden
tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}. The Koran Clarifies it
was Adam Not Eve {Qur`an 7:19-25}

2. The Bible says ``The Birth of a Daughter is a
loss`` {Ecclesiasticus 22:3}. The Qur`an says both
are an Equal Blessing { Qur`an 42:49}

3. The Bible Forbids Women from Speaking in
church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}. The Qur`an says
Women Can argue with the Prophet {58:1}

4. In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as
an Adulteress, while men are not {Matthew 5:31-32}. The
Koran does Not have Biblical double standards
{ Qur`an 30:21}

5. In The Bible, Widows and Sisters do Not
Inherit Any Property or Wealth, Only men
do{Numbers 27:1-11}The Koran Abolished this
male greediness { Qur`an 4:22} and God Protects
All.

6. The Bible Allows Multiple Wives{I Kings 11:3}
In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only
under certain situations (with the Wife`s
permission)and Prefers you Marry Only One
Wife{ Qur`an 4:3} The Koran gives the Woman
the Right to Choose who to Marry.

7. ``If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not
pledged to be married and rapes her and they are
discovered, he shall pay the girl`s father fifty
shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he
has violated her. He can never divorce her as long
as he lives`` {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}

One must ask a simple question here, who is
really punished, the man who raped the woman or
the woman who was raped? According to the
Bible, you have to spend the Rest of Your Life
with the man who Raped You.

The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book
86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:`` It is
essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the
marriage)``.

Would the Christian men Reading this prefer the
Women they know to Be Christian or Muslim?

8. The Bible also asks Women to wear veils as in
Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}, this lowers the
chance of rape, (God Forbid), see statistic link
below.

9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a
100 years ago in the (US), while the Quran (42:38) gave
Women Voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.

10. Islam has unconfined Women and has given them
the human right to reach for the sky. There have been
Muslim Women Presidents through out the centuries,
but to this date, the oppressive mentality of the
men in the Western U.S.A. has stopped any Women from becoming
Presidents in predominately Christian countries,
while the Muslim countries have voted for and
elected Female Presidents.

Here is a list of previous Female Muslim leaders:

Khadija bint Khuwaylid
Aishah bint Abu Bakr
Fatimah bint Muhammad
Barakah
Ramlah bint Abu Sufyan
Rumaysa bint Milhan
Umm Salamah
Asma bint Abu Bakr
Zaynab al-Ghazali
Maryum Jameelah

The comparison goes on and on, to hear from some of these Converts, including Nuns, and Many Famous People, visit here;http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/newmuslim
click here

The reason non-muslims have bought and read Qoran after 9/11 is not that they conspired to blame it on religion.....it was because the guy giving the orders from the cave was holding the qoran in his hand and quoting from it while issuing fatwas.....naturally people wanted to know what is in it and is the guy quoting it correctly or making this stuff on the fly.

Bush once blurted the Crusades word in his speech....from which he back tracked later...I am sure if he insisted on it people would have bought books on crusades and bible to find out what is he talking about.

Mullah` biggest nightmare is people actually paying attention to what Mullah says.

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America did not look to the Greek Orthodox church during its confrontation with the Soviet Union. But it did look to leftist literature and ideology to understand the motivation of the communists.

If America and Americans look to the Koran, it is because Islamic militants have defined the conflict in religious and cultural terms. Nobody was looking to the Koran in the war in 1991 or for that matter confrontation with Arab nationalist states like Syria in the 1980s.

Saminasha`s post is absolutely valid in an intra-civilizational scale but more so on an inter-civilizational level as well. No reason one has to look only in the former while dimissing the possibility of the latter.

Saminasha

I hope I won`t win you more enemies on Chowk by confessing that I agree with you on most issues. You are on the money again in #2. I am acutely aware of the more assertive, more militaristic, more unilateral, and more patriotic America that has arisen since 9/11. This is not a GOOD thing.

But there are real problems on the other side too. Arguably far deeper problems, masked at the world stage only by their relative lack of corresponding power on the world-stage.

And there IS an ongoing war, if not between civilizations, then between the good and bad everywhere, even among Muslims. Echoboom and Urstruly are at perpetual war with saminasha, and vice-versa.

Anybody who wants me to believe that all three are the same, and that any differences I see among the three are my own cultural and hegemonic constructions against innocent Islam is a bloodly lier. A lier who deliberately or not, is setting both you and me up to be victimized by the likes of Echoboom and Urstruly and their extremely distasteful religious ideology.

Despite my oft-professed hatred for Islamic ideology, there are many Muslims on Chowk for whom I have nothing but the hghtest admiration. I make this distinction based on my belief that as in the case of all ideological superstructures, there is a deep fault line running through the heart of Islam, and that some form of Islam does not pose any direct threat to me, but some other form does. I don`t see what could be a greater disservice to `moderate` Muslims than to convince non Muslims that their construction of moderate and extremist muslims is unwarranted.

(Revolted as I was with this article, I couldn`t read it with much care. So I may have completely misjudged the central message of the article. If that happened, it wouldn`t be a first for me, and I will, once again, have to eat crow).

Ralph,

``Culture Wars

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The term Culture Wars has been used to describe ideologically-driven and often strident confrontations typical of American public culture and politics since the 1980s.

The expression gained wide use with the publication in 1991 of Culture Wars: The Struggle to Define America by James Davison Hunter. In that book, he described the dramatic polarized re-alignment that had transformed American politics. The observation is that on an increasing number of ``hot-button`` defining issues — abortion, gun control, separation of church and state, privacy, homosexuality, censorship — there are two definable polarities in American culture. These are not defined by their their nominal religion or even by their political affiliation, but rather by an ideological world view. Hunter characterised this polarity as stemming from the impulses toward Progressivism and toward Orthodoxy.

During the same period, paleoconservative commentator Patrick J. Buchanan mounted a campaign for the Republican nomination for President of the United States against incumbent George H. Bush in 1992, mostly based on Bush`s decision to raise taxes after the latter`s famous pledge, ``Read my lips, no new taxes``. After doing surprisingly well in the first Primary in New Hampshire, drawing 37% of the vote, his campaign faded. However, he received a consolation prize, the keynote speech at the 1992 Republican National Convention. The speech played well amongst the hard-line Republicans, but some consider that its effect may have cost the party swing votes and alienated moderates. That is, it was adjudged to have been polarizing. Buchanan said, ``There is a religious war going on in our country for the soul of America. It is a cultural war, as critical to the kind of nation we will one day be as was the Cold War itself.`` Buchanan`s campaign is credited to some extent with allowing Independent Ross Perot to emerge as a major figure in politics; Perot received 19% of the vote that year.

The term Culture Wars was adopted by William Strauss and Neil Howe in Fourth Turning (1996), to describe the historical period from 1984 to approximately 2005. The preceding era they termed the Consciousness Revolution; the succeeding era in Strauss and Howe`s system is the predicted upcoming Crisis of 2020.

In the Culture Wars, public morality was a defining issue.

The period opened with triumphant ``Morning in America`` individualism and drifted toward pessimism as time wore on. Personal confidence remained high and in the 1990s few national problems demanded immediate action. But, the public reflected darkly on growing violence and incivility, widening inequality, pervasive distrust of institutions and leaders, and a debased popular culture. People began fearing that the national consensus was splitting (http://jkalb.freeshell.org/web/culture_wars.html) into competing ``values`` camps.

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1 Suggested causes of the split
2 The various camps
3 Age location in history
4 Did theSeptember 11 Terrorist Attacks herald the end of the Culture Wars era?
5 External links
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Suggested causes of the split
Though society had been turning away from tradition and the transcendent for centuries, technology had by this time enabled the decoupling of many biological functions from their respective social functions — sex from its social function of producing the next generation, etc.

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The various camps
The Boom Generation, who had control of the culture at the beginning of the era, came under attack from their next juniors, Generation X, who had a distinctive anti-Boom crossculture. These two generations are like oil and water: aggressive moralizers on one side, neo-hedonists on the other.

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Age location in history
The Silent Generation was entering elderhood.
The Baby boomers were entering midlife.
Generation X was entering rising adulthood, looking at a Boom-built culture in need of the one thing missing at Woodstock: ice-water realism.
Generation Y was entering childhood.
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Did theSeptember 11 Terrorist Attacks herald the end of the Culture Wars era?
Some argue that the destruction of the World Trade Center produced only a temporary sobering reaction from the American populace. If the Culture Wars era had ended then, the national mood would have been akin to the mood at the time of the start of the Great Depression. The American military took over Afghanistan and Iraq, but that has not had the same feeling among the populace as, say, VE Day.

Other critics dispute this. Instead of comparing September 11 to the end of the Second World War, they see it as similar to the beginning. Many argue that the 9/11 Attacks were ``a new Pearl Harbor`` that heralded the beginning of a culture shift. Some right-wing and left-wing intellectuals see a post-9/11 United States as being more assertive, more militaristic, more unilateral, and more patriotic. This perceived change has been both applauded and criticized.``

What new theoretical ground does this person break? Every sentence you attribute to the man has been said more effectively by more literate people such as atif, ali, and urstruly.

``He is no apologist for terrorism`` seems to have become the preferred mode of introduction for terror apologists. You people - and non Muslims are told that there are no good and bad Muslims, so you are all Osama`s colleagues - do yourself much much harm through this pathetic tactic - you make the life of good Muslims much harder.

And there ARE good Muslims and bad Muslims - good Muslims are those who think of themselves as human beings first, and when they see evil in their religion they acknowledge it.

The author is right, Mamdani`s view is provocative...I was also intrigued by the usage of the phrase ``culture wars`` - in North American academia ``culture war`` has been used to describe the discussions taking place around curricula and critical theory applications. But, no reason why this additional resonance cant apply.

Great article. Thanks!