Iran’s Bid for Regional Power

``gotta pity religious people...if you`re a catholic, you can`t use a rubber...if you`re a hindu, no Ruth`s Chris prime for YOU!!..if you`re a true blue muslim, no Seinfeld reruns for you...what`s a person to use for a crutch... ``

Dude, nothing wrong with being religious. All u have to do is ignore the messengers and set up a direct connection.

``........... if i didn`t love prime beef i would reconvert (regress) ......... ``

HamidM, there is hope for you yet. I am upper caste Hindu and enjoy prime beef steak with scalloped potatoes and Hollandaise sauce. You see, the original Hindus did eat beef. It was forbidden only as we became an agricultural society and protein in a live cow was more valuable than a dead one. You see, it is all in the interpretation...or Ijtehad if you will. :)

``Israel is not quite the democracy, nor was it ever, that people make it out to be. The laws against Muslims and Christians make the laws against Ahmedis in Pakistan look like a Charter of Human Rights.``

Load of crock. Even aparthied era South Africa treated its blacks better than the state of Pakistan treats Ahmadis. Israelis on the other hand have Arab Christian as well as Mmuslim MPs. Notwithstanding what Israel does in the occupied territories, Israeli Arabs get equal status in name and a much better status in practice compared to Non Muslims in certain Arab countries.

re: hamidm2 # 47

I agree. Deperation is quite real in Middle East. Israel has no easy choices in the matter.

Thanks on the ilogs! :)

re: Romair # 48

There is a distinct demographic equation to the problem. In this sense, I have to agree with Sharon and his plan of seeking disengagement from the occupied lands, because if Israel continues to maintain its occupation, it will risk the very identity of the state itself as a Jewish majority state.

There is no realistic hope that the Palestinians will get a seperate homeland of their own, because the present Israeli politics mitigate against such an idea. On the other hand, if the Arabs were not stupid and if they were wise, they would seek an inclusion into Israel on the basis of one (wo)man-one vote principle. The only way in which Israel can prevent the demographic imbalance is to create a political-religious apartheid and keep the Palestinians concentrated in their own areas, much as South Africa treated its black majority by keeping them in the townships.

Either way, both the Palestinians and Israelis are blinded by the politics and are seeking short term gains, because in the long term, the problem will only get worse by the present policies.

Ciao

P.S: I will write more, when I have some more time! :)

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arjun,

........ i hate to agree with a horrible hindoo, but captain clueless is archetypical of the ummah - deluded, wallowing in his misery, dreaming up all kinds of conspiracies, schizophrenic, paranoid and, to quote you, quite clueless .................

.......... sometimes i wish my great great grandpappy had not changed his name from gopinath to sheikh ahmed........... if i didn`t love prime beef i would reconvert (regress) .........

arjun:

yeah, i saw what you posted in your ilog, and was sickened and disgusted. and somehow not surprised. there IS a lot of anti-semitism in pakistan. there are also racist, bigoted and stereotypical ideas which people don`t seem to want to do away with. unfortunately quite a number of these people who have these ideas are the so-called educated ones.
apparently ``madrassahs`` aren`t the only problem.

hopefully there are even more saner minds to counter such stupidity.

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a little correction to what i said in #61 . . . i should say that many of us harbor ``racist`` thoughts rather than ``all or most of us``. i don`t want to fall into the trap of making absolutist statements as some clueless people do.

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Romair #53

i was being sarcastic, but since you responded. . .ah choRiye. . . the only thing i can agree on is that yes, all or most of us do harbor ``racist`` thoughts and notions against a group of people. the trick is not simply to control it and not let it take over us. . .the ``trick`` is also to cure ourselves of the ignorance within, and without.

good luck!

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caling gwyneth paltrow and mark cuban ...........


gwyneth paltrow and spielberg are brilliant tactician like einstein and george soros, but it doesn`t matter - ``they`` will soon be extinct and the rabbits will inherit the earth !

.......brilliant !........... simply brilliant!

romair mian, i am not disputing what alan dershowitz and evey jewish mother is worried about .......... while mark cuban is running around with the mavericks and dreaming up the next broadcom, the bedouins are busy in their tents breeding the next generation of suiciders and homiciders ............. mark and gwyneth should get together and wage jihad against the ummah and give their people another couple of shots at the oscar and the nobel .................

.......... in any case, i am glad that you, and the rest of this ummah has this wonderful warm feeling now that you have discovered the final solution to the jewish problem ............. happy procreation !

# 52 Mr Romair

On the other hand you could have mentioned Hugh Hefner and Michael Eisner and you would have been right on the money.

Anyway getting involved with either party - Arabs or their cousins the Chosen people is not something America should worry about, America should let the desert cousins work out their little familial , sibling rivalry.

``Personally speaking, I think Jews are very successful at an individual level, because they think clearly tactically. Which is why they win so many Nobel prizes, and control half the Nasdaq (Larry Ellision, Andy Grove and Michael Dell being good examples). However, they are very poor long term planners, which maybe why only 16 million are left in the whole world, despite having control of major power centers of the world, at one point......... ``

Thats one of the dumbest things i have ever read on chowk. So in your world view, every jew start thinking tactically to win Nobel prizes and to start companies like Dell, Oracle so that they control NASDAQ. In your view companies like Oracle, Intel, Dell and many sceintific ideas that changed this world are the result of short term planning of the Jewish people. In your world view uncontrollable breeding is long term planning.

Huh, and you run a business?

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Personally speaking, I think Jews are very successful at an individual level, because they think clearly tactically. Which is why they win so many Nobel prizes, and control half the Nasdaq (Larry Ellision, Andy Grove and Michael Dell being good examples). However, they are very poor long term planners, which maybe why only 16 million are left in the whole world, despite having control of major power centers of the world, at one point.........
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This is one of the stupidest things I have read at chowk. Ellison and Dell who built some of the world`s best businesses are not long term planners!!!

ana #53: Yes it is very refreshing.

All of us have racism of some sort inside us. The trick is to control it and not let it affect our lives and others` lives. For example, I have racism against Arabs. Because I have been to their lands, and have met them, and have seen first hand their racist views about Pakistanis, which extend throughout their societies. Did you know that Christians are not allowed to bring Bibles into Saudi Arabia. And Pakistanis citizens get fractions of salaries of goras, for doing the same jobs......

Similarly, I have a great deal of dislike of how the various Jewish groups inside and outside the USA have started to sideline and target Muslims and Arab and various South Asians (including Christians from these areas). It is a systemetic attempt to create violence against Muslims, in an attempt to cover the actions of Israel. I go as an audience or call into shows here in Canada, and am amazed at how Jewish commentators argue, in their politically correct manner, to get all kinds of laws passed against local Muslims, here in Canada, also. Luckily the Muslims here, unlike the USA, are quite assertive, and have not allowed much to happen.......

I used to use the politicaly correct term of pro-Israeli groups. However, now I have to admit the obvious and call them Jewish groups.

At the same time, I do my best to control these likes and dislikes, at a personal level, when interacting with people, since each individual is different..........That is all anyone can do.....