Iran’s Bid for Regional Power

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Romair #53

i was being sarcastic, but since you responded. . .ah choRiye. . . the only thing i can agree on is that yes, all or most of us do harbor ``racist`` thoughts and notions against a group of people. the trick is not simply to control it and not let it take over us. . .the ``trick`` is also to cure ourselves of the ignorance within, and without.

good luck!

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caling gwyneth paltrow and mark cuban ...........


gwyneth paltrow and spielberg are brilliant tactician like einstein and george soros, but it doesn`t matter - ``they`` will soon be extinct and the rabbits will inherit the earth !

.......brilliant !........... simply brilliant!

romair mian, i am not disputing what alan dershowitz and evey jewish mother is worried about .......... while mark cuban is running around with the mavericks and dreaming up the next broadcom, the bedouins are busy in their tents breeding the next generation of suiciders and homiciders ............. mark and gwyneth should get together and wage jihad against the ummah and give their people another couple of shots at the oscar and the nobel .................

.......... in any case, i am glad that you, and the rest of this ummah has this wonderful warm feeling now that you have discovered the final solution to the jewish problem ............. happy procreation !

# 52 Mr Romair

On the other hand you could have mentioned Hugh Hefner and Michael Eisner and you would have been right on the money.

Anyway getting involved with either party - Arabs or their cousins the Chosen people is not something America should worry about, America should let the desert cousins work out their little familial , sibling rivalry.

``Personally speaking, I think Jews are very successful at an individual level, because they think clearly tactically. Which is why they win so many Nobel prizes, and control half the Nasdaq (Larry Ellision, Andy Grove and Michael Dell being good examples). However, they are very poor long term planners, which maybe why only 16 million are left in the whole world, despite having control of major power centers of the world, at one point......... ``

Thats one of the dumbest things i have ever read on chowk. So in your world view, every jew start thinking tactically to win Nobel prizes and to start companies like Dell, Oracle so that they control NASDAQ. In your view companies like Oracle, Intel, Dell and many sceintific ideas that changed this world are the result of short term planning of the Jewish people. In your world view uncontrollable breeding is long term planning.

Huh, and you run a business?

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Personally speaking, I think Jews are very successful at an individual level, because they think clearly tactically. Which is why they win so many Nobel prizes, and control half the Nasdaq (Larry Ellision, Andy Grove and Michael Dell being good examples). However, they are very poor long term planners, which maybe why only 16 million are left in the whole world, despite having control of major power centers of the world, at one point.........
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This is one of the stupidest things I have read at chowk. Ellison and Dell who built some of the world`s best businesses are not long term planners!!!

ana #53: Yes it is very refreshing.

All of us have racism of some sort inside us. The trick is to control it and not let it affect our lives and others` lives. For example, I have racism against Arabs. Because I have been to their lands, and have met them, and have seen first hand their racist views about Pakistanis, which extend throughout their societies. Did you know that Christians are not allowed to bring Bibles into Saudi Arabia. And Pakistanis citizens get fractions of salaries of goras, for doing the same jobs......

Similarly, I have a great deal of dislike of how the various Jewish groups inside and outside the USA have started to sideline and target Muslims and Arab and various South Asians (including Christians from these areas). It is a systemetic attempt to create violence against Muslims, in an attempt to cover the actions of Israel. I go as an audience or call into shows here in Canada, and am amazed at how Jewish commentators argue, in their politically correct manner, to get all kinds of laws passed against local Muslims, here in Canada, also. Luckily the Muslims here, unlike the USA, are quite assertive, and have not allowed much to happen.......

I used to use the politicaly correct term of pro-Israeli groups. However, now I have to admit the obvious and call them Jewish groups.

At the same time, I do my best to control these likes and dislikes, at a personal level, when interacting with people, since each individual is different..........That is all anyone can do.....

well, it`s always refreshing when people can admit to their own racist and bigoted views, isn`t it?

hamidm mian!!

All the info I have provided is from Israeli and Jewish sources: Dershowtiz and demographic studies presented by Isrealis themselves, etc. However, you have not provided any facts to counter the information I provided, about demographics, other than an analogous reference to peeing in one`s pants. I have never peed in my pants, so I cannot relate to the feeling you have described.........

Having said that, I actually want to set up an office in Tel-Aviv in the next ten years, if my business can grow. Which is why I am trying to find out about the place. If you have any info contradicting my info, it would be greatly appreciated............

Personally speaking, I think Jews are very successful at an individual level, because they think clearly tactically. Which is why they win so many Nobel prizes, and control half the Nasdaq (Larry Ellision, Andy Grove and Michael Dell being good examples). However, they are very poor long term planners, which maybe why only 16 million are left in the whole world, despite having control of major power centers of the world, at one point.........

Someone racistly told me that whichever country accepts Jews has always prospered. And that Jews always overstay their welcome. At the expense of being racist, I tend to agree. And they are overestimating their welcome in the USA, by getting it involved in every unnecessary war in the world. I am convinced that Israelis, despite their Noble prizes will get us all killed - Americans and Pakistanis. They don`t seem to know when to stop, which is why they keep getting themselves in trouble. It isn`t long till the Republicans will get rid of the neo-cons. And the fringe American leaders, right of the Republicans (Pat Buchanan) and left of the Democrats (Nader) are already pointing out the fact that pro-Israel lobby will get America screwed. A fact I agree with.

Personally, I am neither here nor there on Arab-Israel. I am somewhat of a racist when it comes to Arabs, since they are racists towards Pakistanis. Nor am I a fan of the Ummah. And I think Pakistan should recognize Israel, within 67 borders. And I also oppose the human rights violations of Israelis, and the potential World Wars it is starting to cause............

..... oh, that nice warm feeling!


.... i can see that the good muslims are feeling smug and happy because they have figured out they can outbreed the jews into submission (quite clever for the madrassites) .......... but do they realize that it will be humanity`s loss - between 1901 and 2003, 735 nobel prizes were handed out ....... of these, 161 are jews and six muslims (takbeer!)......... and these six include abdus salaam and naguib mahfouz who, to quote some of our more rabid co-religionists, are either infidels or whores ..........

........... so the ummah has this nice warm feeling that one gets after peeing in his pants .......... it stinks, but who cares!

Very accurate lines Omair: the term often used is that Israel is demographically doomed. There is an interesting parallel between what is happening to Israel and what happened to the Crusader state of the 12th century. Similar to those days, the Arabs remain divided and militarily outnumbered at any one time..simply because the Arabs have engaged in piecemeal war with Israel, even when Israel was created in 1948 Israeli troops at anyone time were numerically equal to the forces opposing them.


If you think about it besides the demographic challenge people forget the internal change that is happening to Israel, because of the higher population growth rate the conservative Jewish groups are now in ascendancy over the secularists. This is reflected in the electoral strength of the right wing groups opposed to peace. Internally in the USA the ``dilution`` or ``integration`` of the Jewish community into American society is reaching un precedented levels. While that does not mean that those people of Jewish descent are any less Pro Israel (to understand what I mean ..consider the role of the Irish Americans vis a vis the IRA) it does mean a weakening of interest in ever relocationg to Israel and that may effect the level of support people are maybe willing to contribute. Because of this contrast the gap between Jews in Israel and those in the diaspora is increasing and one could argue people like Ariel Sharon have more in common with Yasser Arafat than the head of AIPAC.

.... israel is the only country where arabs can vote ........ ingrates!

Ferozek #45: In my opinion, much more than the rabbis, it is the demographics that the Israelis are relly scared of.

Jewish population in the world is about the same as Karachi`s population. However, it is reducing and the demographics of the two most important Jewish areas (Israel and USA) is changing rapidly. Infact, so rapidly that Israel, in worst scenario, may not be around in 75 years. And, in its best scenario, will have a significantly different look than Israel of today.

Israel is not quite the democracy, nor was it ever, that people make it out to be. The laws against Muslims and Christians make the laws against Ahmedis in Pakistan look like a Charter of Human Rights. All of this was done to maintain a demogrphic balance, in favor of Jews. A Jewish person who has never heard of Israel can make one phone call and become a citizen of Isreal, from anywhere in the world. While a Christian or Muslim whose family has lived in the same house for centuries, cannot create an extension to it. In Pakistan, at least, Ahmedis are allowed to buy houses or add a room to his house.......

While it is the, ``White Jews`` (called Ashkenazim meaning German) who run the govt. and write the books, the actual Jewish population of Israel is not so White. The Eastern Jews are called Mizrahem. Mizrahem were around 15% in 48. Then due to massive migrations from Arab countries, these Jews became a majority, i.e. Arab/North Afrian Jews outnumbered all other Jews in Isreal. Then a massive migration of Russian Jews occured, in 90s and the White Jews became a majority again.

So basically Isreal is an ethnically, predominately Russian and Arab Jewish state. Not Western or Eastern European Jewish state, as many people think. And definitely not American Jewish. Interestingly, there has never been a single Mizrahem Jewish PM or President etc. in Isreal. They are the poorest, also, and they don`t intermarry much with Ashkenazims. Mizrahems have only 1/3rd the college degrees as Ashkanazims. This is probably why it is difficult to pick out Arab suicide bombers, because they probably look like Arab Jews.

Interestingly, we recruit IT employees and a lot of Russian candidates have post-graduate degrees from Russia. I have intereviewed so many. There is one thing that is consistent with all Russian candidates. So many (in fact most) of them are Jewish. The common profile of a Russian candidate is Ph.D is pure sciences from Russia. Moved to Isreal. Worked there for some years. And then moved to Canda. Again and again, similar resumes. All migrating out of Israel, for North America.

In 60 minutes, they showed that Israelis are now very eager for Green Cards and US, Canadian and European migrations. Specifically the Ashkenazims, who tend to be more educated. There is thus an outflow from the Promised land. And the inflow and relocation of Jews from other countries has exhausted. European countries like France barely have any Jews left (around 500000) and American Jews obviously do not want to leave. And all the Arab and Russian Jews are already in Isreal. Israeli govt. is even trying to get Jews from India, when they heard their were some there.

Interestingly, the population of Isreal is 6.7 million. Out of which 5.4 million are Jewish (out of which a huge chunk is Arab/Oriental/Mizrahem Jews). Isreal, interestingly, has 1.3 non-Jewish citizens, out of which over a million are Muslims. These are actual Israeli citizens. Not Muslims in occupied terriroties of Isreal. Many Muslims don`t know that Isreal has over 1 million Muslim citizens. Interestingly, the population of Muslims Isrealis is projected to double in 25 years to around 2 million. While the population of Jewish Isrealis will only grow to around 6.8 million.

So in twenty years, Muslims will outnumber Jews in Isreal and occupied terroritories, combined. And who knows, within 100? years, Muslim citizens of Isreal may outnumber Jewish citizens of Isreal itself, within actual Isreal. All of this without any right of return Muslims coming back to Israel.

In addition, and perhaps more importantly there are over 5 million Jews in America. There population matches the population of Jews in Isreal. This group is massively dispropotianetely influential in the USA, due to their high level of achievement. However, according to Allan Dershewitz`s (a very successful and very pro-Israeli Jewish American lawyer) book, ``The Vanishing American Jew,`` Jews are disappering in the USA. Their rate of birth is apparently absymally low (successful people have fewer kids). And most of all they are intermarrying with American Christians, with their next generation thus being non-Jewish.

``One Harvard study predicts that if current demographic trends continue, the American Jewish community is likely to number less than 1 million and conceivably as few as 10,000 by the time the United States celebrates its tricentennial in 2076.`` (http://www.palmdigitalmedia.com/product/book/excerpt/1986)

So, in 75 years there will (maybe) be only 10,000 to 1 million Jews in America. And the combined Muslim/Christian population of Isreal/West Bank/Gaza will greatly outnumber Jewish population in that area. And the Muslim citizenry of Israel itself will be in some competitive proportion to Jewish citizenry of Israel (which maybe a Mizrahem majority again). And the population of Jews in places like France is already next to nill (1/10th of the Muslim population in France. It will be non-existent by that time.

It is probably these issues that are drviing Isreali policies to a great extent. And not just Arab-Israeli violence. This maybe what is behind the concepts of, ``Greater Israel.`` With Muslim/Christian Arabs in occupied terrotories growing so fast, and Jews reducing in influential international countries so quickly, it would make sense for Israel to (even inhumanely) clear out the Palestinians from as much of the area as possible, through settlements etc. and force them to migrate, ``voluntarily`` to areas outside of Greater Israel.

Otherwise, Israel will demographically implode, once again becoming a minority Jewish area........

hamidm mian -

i learned a few things about whores while working in a grocery store in a poor neighborhood for a couple of months in my undergrad years. these whores sort of mark an area as their own territory. the unwritten rule is that they don`t venture into other whore`s territory.

so might i suggest that you stick to what you know. and madrassah, israel and oil are something you don`t know. one day you lament that madrassas don`t teach economics and maths. the next day you lament that they do teach economics and maths, but not the way you like it.

calling an apartheid state as a ``beacon of light`` is laughable. i suggest that you put your money where your mouth is, something laptop bombers like yourself are inept at, and visit israel. the airport security guards in that ``beacon of light`` will search in those cavities in your body that you did not even know existed....just because your name is hamidm. then it might occur to you that the ``beacon`` is more like phallus.

stick with a ``territory`` you know. i suggest you become a standup comedian. people will laugh of you, laugh at you, laugh with you, or laugh you out.

but until the day you could be taken seriously, or the day we see a flying horse - whichever comes first, i still think the extremist and mad bomber hamidm should be bombed.

ferozek,

..... i agree with you 90%......... the only difference is that i believe that the arabs, as you suggest obliquely, cannot be trusted and israel has been forced into taking an extreme position ........the wall is an act of desperation and targeted killings are a necessary preventive measure (and nobody is denying the excesses here)...........nevertheless, israel is a real democracy where a sizeable majority despises the rabid orthodox settlers and their mullah-like rabbis ...........so, if the israelis really believed that the arabs (and as you point out, it is the arab people, not the regimes) accspted the existence of israel, the labor party would be back in power in the next election and there could be a lasting settlement ............ greater isreal is just another myth like akhand bharat, perpetuated by a paranoid ummah doped on islam and ridiculous memories of a glorious past ...............

......... in any case, bombing the madrassas is a good start to resolving this impasse ........


p.s. i really enjoy your ilogs even though they are a little too dark sometimes