Iran’s Bid for Regional Power

.... israel is the only country where arabs can vote ........ ingrates!

Very accurate lines Omair: the term often used is that Israel is demographically doomed. There is an interesting parallel between what is happening to Israel and what happened to the Crusader state of the 12th century. Similar to those days, the Arabs remain divided and militarily outnumbered at any one time..simply because the Arabs have engaged in piecemeal war with Israel, even when Israel was created in 1948 Israeli troops at anyone time were numerically equal to the forces opposing them.


If you think about it besides the demographic challenge people forget the internal change that is happening to Israel, because of the higher population growth rate the conservative Jewish groups are now in ascendancy over the secularists. This is reflected in the electoral strength of the right wing groups opposed to peace. Internally in the USA the ``dilution`` or ``integration`` of the Jewish community into American society is reaching un precedented levels. While that does not mean that those people of Jewish descent are any less Pro Israel (to understand what I mean ..consider the role of the Irish Americans vis a vis the IRA) it does mean a weakening of interest in ever relocationg to Israel and that may effect the level of support people are maybe willing to contribute. Because of this contrast the gap between Jews in Israel and those in the diaspora is increasing and one could argue people like Ariel Sharon have more in common with Yasser Arafat than the head of AIPAC.

..... oh, that nice warm feeling!


.... i can see that the good muslims are feeling smug and happy because they have figured out they can outbreed the jews into submission (quite clever for the madrassites) .......... but do they realize that it will be humanity`s loss - between 1901 and 2003, 735 nobel prizes were handed out ....... of these, 161 are jews and six muslims (takbeer!)......... and these six include abdus salaam and naguib mahfouz who, to quote some of our more rabid co-religionists, are either infidels or whores ..........

........... so the ummah has this nice warm feeling that one gets after peeing in his pants .......... it stinks, but who cares!

hamidm mian!!

All the info I have provided is from Israeli and Jewish sources: Dershowtiz and demographic studies presented by Isrealis themselves, etc. However, you have not provided any facts to counter the information I provided, about demographics, other than an analogous reference to peeing in one`s pants. I have never peed in my pants, so I cannot relate to the feeling you have described.........

Having said that, I actually want to set up an office in Tel-Aviv in the next ten years, if my business can grow. Which is why I am trying to find out about the place. If you have any info contradicting my info, it would be greatly appreciated............

Personally speaking, I think Jews are very successful at an individual level, because they think clearly tactically. Which is why they win so many Nobel prizes, and control half the Nasdaq (Larry Ellision, Andy Grove and Michael Dell being good examples). However, they are very poor long term planners, which maybe why only 16 million are left in the whole world, despite having control of major power centers of the world, at one point.........

Someone racistly told me that whichever country accepts Jews has always prospered. And that Jews always overstay their welcome. At the expense of being racist, I tend to agree. And they are overestimating their welcome in the USA, by getting it involved in every unnecessary war in the world. I am convinced that Israelis, despite their Noble prizes will get us all killed - Americans and Pakistanis. They don`t seem to know when to stop, which is why they keep getting themselves in trouble. It isn`t long till the Republicans will get rid of the neo-cons. And the fringe American leaders, right of the Republicans (Pat Buchanan) and left of the Democrats (Nader) are already pointing out the fact that pro-Israel lobby will get America screwed. A fact I agree with.

Personally, I am neither here nor there on Arab-Israel. I am somewhat of a racist when it comes to Arabs, since they are racists towards Pakistanis. Nor am I a fan of the Ummah. And I think Pakistan should recognize Israel, within 67 borders. And I also oppose the human rights violations of Israelis, and the potential World Wars it is starting to cause............

well, it`s always refreshing when people can admit to their own racist and bigoted views, isn`t it?

ana #53: Yes it is very refreshing.

All of us have racism of some sort inside us. The trick is to control it and not let it affect our lives and others` lives. For example, I have racism against Arabs. Because I have been to their lands, and have met them, and have seen first hand their racist views about Pakistanis, which extend throughout their societies. Did you know that Christians are not allowed to bring Bibles into Saudi Arabia. And Pakistanis citizens get fractions of salaries of goras, for doing the same jobs......

Similarly, I have a great deal of dislike of how the various Jewish groups inside and outside the USA have started to sideline and target Muslims and Arab and various South Asians (including Christians from these areas). It is a systemetic attempt to create violence against Muslims, in an attempt to cover the actions of Israel. I go as an audience or call into shows here in Canada, and am amazed at how Jewish commentators argue, in their politically correct manner, to get all kinds of laws passed against local Muslims, here in Canada, also. Luckily the Muslims here, unlike the USA, are quite assertive, and have not allowed much to happen.......

I used to use the politicaly correct term of pro-Israeli groups. However, now I have to admit the obvious and call them Jewish groups.

At the same time, I do my best to control these likes and dislikes, at a personal level, when interacting with people, since each individual is different..........That is all anyone can do.....

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Personally speaking, I think Jews are very successful at an individual level, because they think clearly tactically. Which is why they win so many Nobel prizes, and control half the Nasdaq (Larry Ellision, Andy Grove and Michael Dell being good examples). However, they are very poor long term planners, which maybe why only 16 million are left in the whole world, despite having control of major power centers of the world, at one point.........
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This is one of the stupidest things I have read at chowk. Ellison and Dell who built some of the world`s best businesses are not long term planners!!!

``Personally speaking, I think Jews are very successful at an individual level, because they think clearly tactically. Which is why they win so many Nobel prizes, and control half the Nasdaq (Larry Ellision, Andy Grove and Michael Dell being good examples). However, they are very poor long term planners, which maybe why only 16 million are left in the whole world, despite having control of major power centers of the world, at one point......... ``

Thats one of the dumbest things i have ever read on chowk. So in your world view, every jew start thinking tactically to win Nobel prizes and to start companies like Dell, Oracle so that they control NASDAQ. In your view companies like Oracle, Intel, Dell and many sceintific ideas that changed this world are the result of short term planning of the Jewish people. In your world view uncontrollable breeding is long term planning.

Huh, and you run a business?

# 52 Mr Romair

On the other hand you could have mentioned Hugh Hefner and Michael Eisner and you would have been right on the money.

Anyway getting involved with either party - Arabs or their cousins the Chosen people is not something America should worry about, America should let the desert cousins work out their little familial , sibling rivalry.

caling gwyneth paltrow and mark cuban ...........


gwyneth paltrow and spielberg are brilliant tactician like einstein and george soros, but it doesn`t matter - ``they`` will soon be extinct and the rabbits will inherit the earth !

.......brilliant !........... simply brilliant!

romair mian, i am not disputing what alan dershowitz and evey jewish mother is worried about .......... while mark cuban is running around with the mavericks and dreaming up the next broadcom, the bedouins are busy in their tents breeding the next generation of suiciders and homiciders ............. mark and gwyneth should get together and wage jihad against the ummah and give their people another couple of shots at the oscar and the nobel .................

.......... in any case, i am glad that you, and the rest of this ummah has this wonderful warm feeling now that you have discovered the final solution to the jewish problem ............. happy procreation !

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Romair #53

i was being sarcastic, but since you responded. . .ah choRiye. . . the only thing i can agree on is that yes, all or most of us do harbor ``racist`` thoughts and notions against a group of people. the trick is not simply to control it and not let it take over us. . .the ``trick`` is also to cure ourselves of the ignorance within, and without.

good luck!

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arjun:

yeah, i saw what you posted in your ilog, and was sickened and disgusted. and somehow not surprised. there IS a lot of anti-semitism in pakistan. there are also racist, bigoted and stereotypical ideas which people don`t seem to want to do away with. unfortunately quite a number of these people who have these ideas are the so-called educated ones.
apparently ``madrassahs`` aren`t the only problem.

hopefully there are even more saner minds to counter such stupidity.

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a little correction to what i said in #61 . . . i should say that many of us harbor ``racist`` thoughts rather than ``all or most of us``. i don`t want to fall into the trap of making absolutist statements as some clueless people do.

arjun,

........ i hate to agree with a horrible hindoo, but captain clueless is archetypical of the ummah - deluded, wallowing in his misery, dreaming up all kinds of conspiracies, schizophrenic, paranoid and, to quote you, quite clueless .................

.......... sometimes i wish my great great grandpappy had not changed his name from gopinath to sheikh ahmed........... if i didn`t love prime beef i would reconvert (regress) .........

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