Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return

omarjee
Your posts are on this board for everyone to read. My posts were all addressed to Indians, until you like your uncouth friends, yourself brought up the `sadnas` wily nily. You Pakis are pathological liars, this is proved day after day.

hamidm
//.... what bothers me more are the idiots on our own side of the border wo are bent upon screwing up a perfectly good place in the name of religion and tradition...//

I hear you, my friend! May be, if you can fix this ``religion and tradition`` thing in pakistan [ and that`s a biiiigggg if ] ... you pakis could do some good stuff over there.

But who is going to fix the la-la land otherwise called India? With a neutered jack-a$$ as the PM, Laloos stomping the land, commies out in hordes to scuttle all progress ... all hope is lost, my friend. This is the begining of the end!

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Omar-jee said ``given that pakistan`s population is 140 million, and that india`s is 1.078 billion, i think the ratio comes to 7.7 which is quite close to 8 -- in any case --``

Please see my post #336

``Population (CIA factbook, mid-year 2004 estimates)
Pakistan: 159,196,336
India: 1,065,070,607``

shri sadna jee -- kindly dont give me lectures on the role of newspapers -- im quite aware of their role in a society like pakistan`s or india`s -- i see u have this habit of bringing in new irrelevant things once your initial argument has been thoroughly demolished

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u said that india has more newspapers and a much higher circulation and that this would mean better quality, which it clearly doesnt -- it might mean better quantity but better quality is a subjective issue --

as for the other `facts` in your post -- given that pakistan`s population is 140 million, and that india`s is 1.078 billion, i think the ratio comes to 7.7 which is quite close to 8 -- in any case -- since u r not an economist and i couldnt be bothered to explain to an avowed pakistan-hater, please ask someone else why the costs in pakistan are higher -- but given that they are higher that might explain the higher price of newspapers -- in any case my point was to disprove the despicable delhi bear (DDB henceforth) when he said that newspaper/media salaries were low in pakistan, much lower than in india -- they are lower than for other professional jobs within pakistan but compared to the indian print media they are higher -- unlike u and your cohorts which would make this a my-country-is-hence-better-than-your-country issue, i am doing no such thing but only saying that perhaps one reason for this could be that the cost of living is higher --

sadna again: ``btw, that is precisely veeresh`s point - in #240 he also pointed out how he did not see the early morning rush of school children and no one has refuted that yet. ``

err -- shri sadna jee i think anyone with even an ounce of brain left in them would have realized that interacting with the bear is futile -- anyone who believes his drivel would do so at his or her own risk -- in other words its something not worth refuting since (i HOPE) most people have better things to do than to refute a deluded liar -- of course inveterate paki haters such yourself will believe such things even if the DDB didnt say them --


sadna again (ad nauseum):

``Fourthly, as an Indian I DON`T care if prices are disproportionately higher and newspaper circulation is disproportionately lower in Pakistan, certainly I don`t care enough to be arguing uncouth Pakis about it. So you go right ahead, tell each other it is because of cost of living and be happy.``

BUT U JUST DID THAT DIDNT U -- moral of the story for you shri sadna jee: actions speak louder than words -- dont post such inane irrelevant things since, as you said yourself, u couldnt care less

shrimati sadna jee : ``And from viewpoint of policymakers, newspapers are institutions for empowerment of citizens, just like schools - saying that we are forced to have fewer newspapers with higher price is like saying we are forced have fewer schools of higher fees - a wholly self-serving argument for the elitist/feudalist priorities of a nation which has been getting huge foreign aid and debt relief for many years of its existence and always claims to be doing better than India.``

hahaha -- esp the last line -- u need to see a shrink sadna jee -- u need professional help --its amazing how u put words when none were uttered or see connections when none were made -- who said that having higher priced newspapers is a good thing or tried to justify them -- i hope u do know that there is a clear distinction between someone explaining something and someone justifying them -- perhaps your paki hating eyes r so blinkered by the hate that u possible cannot see the difference

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Veeresh most sailors tend to find the red-light areas as their first port-of-call. So as an ex seaman (no pun intended) were you curious to find and compare this aspect too?

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PS: to 346
The point being that when Indians see a picture big and beautiful building built by the gormint, they are quite likely to think `very pretty, very nice, someone made a packet of public money on this`.

So, don`t look now, but by posting pictures of big and beautiful structures built at Pakistani taxpayer expense you are not challenging, you are supporting veeresh`s contention about elitism/feudalism in Pakistani society.

I noticed that during various discussions especially when it included Mr.Veeresh,the comparison between indian and pakistani vehicles was made especially concerning Ashok leyland and hinopak buses. I wish to clarify certain points. Ashok Leyland as from the year 1999 started manufacturing a HINO Engine model no: WO6E (euro 1) under licence from Hino Japan to be fitted in its buses. I will not go into details for the reasons it did so. The WO6E engine has an output of 118 PS max at 2400RPM. Where as: Hinopak is a direct afiliate of Hino Japan and since 1998, Hino Japan owns the majority of shares in that company. Hinopak buses are made on the popular AK Chassis and incorporate Hino Engines of HO7D model which give an output of 190PS max at 2900RPM. The HO7D Engine is also used in Hino AK buses from Malaysia and Indonesia but has nothing to do with Ashok Leyland Hino Engines which are less powerful and features some differences in design. So please do not make comparisons between these two, if you need further details, ill provide u. I also wish to say that Indian vehicle manufacturers produce a much larger no of units and at a cheaper prices than pakistani manufacturers. BUT pakistani vehicles have a much better finishing and quality than indian vehicles. During my stay in pakistan for my studies I was very impressed by hinopak coaches/buses where as in my country where I travel in ashok leyland coach every day, it makes quite a big difference, especially in terms of speed. Believe me!!!

Please take note: I noticed that during various discussions especially when it included Mr.Veeresh,the comparison between indian and pakistani vehicles was made especially concerning Ashok leyland and hinopak buses. I wish to clarify certain points. Ashok Leyland as from the year 1999 started manufacturing a HINO Engine model no: WO6E (euro 1) under licence from Hino Japan to be fitted in its buses. I will not go into details for the reasons it did so. The WO6E engine has an output of 118 PS max at 2400RPM. Where as: Hinopak is a direct afiliate of Hino Japan and since 1998, Hino Japan owns the majority of shares in that company. Hinopak buses are made on the popular AK Chassis and incorporate Hino Engines of HO7D model which give an output of 190PS max at 2900RPM. The HO7D Engine is also used in Hino AK buses from Malaysia and Indonesia but has nothing to do with Ashok Leyland Hino Engines which are less powerful and features some differences in design. So please do not make comparisons between these two, if you need further details, ill provide u. I also wish to say that Indian vehicle manufacturers produce a much larger no of units and at a cheaper prices than pakistani manufacturers. BUT pakistani vehicles have a much better finishing and quality than indian vehicles. During my stay in pakistan for my studies. So plz do not make useless comparisons, If it is a true fact that India is far better than pak in IT that does not mean it would be better elsewhere

mohar mian ,

..... i would have stayed away from this thread but the comment about chemists in pindi was such a blatant lie that i just had to jump into the muck .......... and the fact that vereesh thinks pindi is better than lahore is kind of ridiculous when people who have lived in pindi all their lives are the first to admit that it is a sleepy little village compared to lahore ........

........... in any case you can call me anything you want .... you can call me al and i can call you betty ..............to be honest i only have a passing interest in india and couldn`t care less what goes on in tamilland or gujjustan - what bothers me more are the idiots on our own side of the border wo are bent upon screwing up a perfectly good place in the name of religion and tradition ..........

So there we have it now.

Lahore, no, wait, all of Pakistan, is full of donation boxes for ``chanda`` and Orphan Annie is well-fed as well as virtuous while walking around Lahore RS in revealing clothes with full liberty.

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