Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return
Veeresh Malik October 20, 2004
#139 Posted by Shahid on October 23, 2004 10:39:20 am
Veeresh,
May I suggest Strunk and White, The Elements of Style. Some important writing tips they touch upon:
1. Choose a suitable design and hold to it.
2. Make the paragraph the unit of composition.
3. Use the active voice.
4. Put statements in positive form.
5. Use definite, specific, concrete language.
6. Omit needless words. Omit needless words. Omit needless words.
7. Avoid a succession of loose sentences.
8. Express coordinate ideas in similar form.
9. Keep related words together.
10. Place the emphatic words of a sentence at the end.
11. Write with nouns and verbs.
12. Revise and rewrite.
13. Do not overwrite.
14. Do not overstate.
15. Avoid the use of qualifiers.
and so on....good luck!
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#138 Posted by salim on October 23, 2004 10:39:20 am
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#136 Posted by tahmed32 on October 23, 2004 9:04:17 am
mohar #131 it is true, as you indicate, that hindu terrorists prey upon the poor and the defenseless within India only (with the support of elected officials, i may add), while muslim terrorists prey upon the poor and the defenseless within muslim countries as well as upon the rich and the strong outside pakistan.
HOWEVER: if you read my post carefully, you will see that this distinction is not important to me. People are people, whether rich or poor, white or brown. And if you deliberately target innocent people, you are a terrorist and therefore an enemy of God and of man. No ifs and buts here regardless of the ``grievance`` or excuse. The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.
Second, if you had half a brain, you have known by now (having been on chowk long enough) that i despise muslim terrorists and their apologists as much as i despise hindu terrorists and their apologists (like you).
Third, you would also know that i couldnt care less what happens inside india, and to me an muslim indian is as alien as a hindu indian. You can go bang each others heads all you like, just keep it out of chowk. My interests are focussed on the two countries that i know and love the best, namely the one i grew up in and the one i have spent most of my life in. i bring up india for the same reason i pointed to soulat - to stick a mirror in your face when a CREIP starts getting too pretentious or venomous.
(last post. take it or leave it. i am not going to waste time having a pointless discussion with you.)
HOWEVER: if you read my post carefully, you will see that this distinction is not important to me. People are people, whether rich or poor, white or brown. And if you deliberately target innocent people, you are a terrorist and therefore an enemy of God and of man. No ifs and buts here regardless of the ``grievance`` or excuse. The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.
Second, if you had half a brain, you have known by now (having been on chowk long enough) that i despise muslim terrorists and their apologists as much as i despise hindu terrorists and their apologists (like you).
Third, you would also know that i couldnt care less what happens inside india, and to me an muslim indian is as alien as a hindu indian. You can go bang each others heads all you like, just keep it out of chowk. My interests are focussed on the two countries that i know and love the best, namely the one i grew up in and the one i have spent most of my life in. i bring up india for the same reason i pointed to soulat - to stick a mirror in your face when a CREIP starts getting too pretentious or venomous.
(last post. take it or leave it. i am not going to waste time having a pointless discussion with you.)
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#133 Posted by warpster on October 23, 2004 9:04:17 am
from rediff.com
Why the world loves Indian tourists
Smita Tripathi | October 23, 2004
Remember the stereotype Japanese tourists of the 1980s? They had cameras slung over their shoulders -- Canons and Nikons, naturally -- and they clutched guidebooks like they had discovered a new religion tucked between pages on La Tour Eiffel or the Arc de Triomphe. Oh, and they also had wads of cheaply bought tourist dollars.
The world has changed beyond recognition in the last decade. The Japanese economic miracle has turned sour and as travellers the Japanese have been replaced by other races -- Eastern Europeans coming in hordes from the former Soviet Bloc countries, getting their first taste of western Europe and the United States.
There`s even the Chinese leaving their fast-growth workers paradise for a quick glimpse of how foreigners live.
Are middle-class Indians about to take their place at the back of this queue? Suddenly, Indians are getting itchy feet and looking across the kala pani to foreign shores.
And most countries (except for the UK and USA which are afraid of illegal immigration and also terrorist attacks) are going all out to attract the Indian tourist. Yes, the global Indian has finally arrived and the fact that 20 or so countries have set up tourist promotion boards in India, is proof of that.
Countries as far apart as Seychelles, Malaysia, Spain, Hong Kong, New Zealand etc are competing with each other for the Indian tourist`s time and, more importantly, money.
But why are countries going all out to attract Indians? ``They spend money,`` says Edward Chew, spokesperson of the Singapore Tourism Board. Last year, Indians were the highest spending travelling community in Singapore with an average daily spend of S$200-300.
They beat the Japanese who till the year before last were the highest spenders. Singapore recorded 309,383 arrivals from India last year of which 34 per cent were leisure travellers. However, because of Sars (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome), 2003 was a bad year for tourist traffic. In 2002, 375,000 Indians visited Singapore, which was an increase of 10.5 per cent over 2001.
The fact that Indians splurge on shopping, of course, makes them the favourites of various countries. But shopping isn`t the only thing they spend heavily on.
Says Bhupesh Kumar, marketing manager, Tourism Malaysia, ``Most Indians prefer to stay in 4 star and 5 star accommodation. This is of course good for the Malaysian economy.``
Moreover, most Indians travel with families and so the average spend goes up. Also, they are very enthusiastic when it comes to trying out new things.
Says a spokesperson of the Mauritius Tourism Promotion Board, ``Indians like to try out everything even though these (submarine rides, dolphin shows etc) activities are extremely expensive.``
About 5.5 million Indians are expected to travel this year and that`s up from 4.5 million in 2002, which was a boom year for tourism. Says Ankur Bhatia, chairman, Amadeus, ``As the economy grows more and more people are likely to increase expenditure on travel.``
What`s more, the global spend on travel is 9 per cent to 10 per cent of GDP while in India the average is only 2 per cent to 3 per cent. That means it will take us another ten years to reach the global average. Countries promoting themselves in India realise this.
Countries such as New Zealand have identified India as an emerging market. Says Kiran Nambiar of the New Zealand Tourist Promotion Board, which was set up in March last year, ``India will be a very valued country in the next seven to eight years.`` Although, only around 17,000 Indians visited New Zealand last year, it was an increase of 25 per cent and Nambiar expects it to keep growing.
New Zealand has slightly different reasons for attracting the Indians. The country is trying to develop tourism in the May-June period, which is peak outbound traffic from India. By promoting tourism in the shoulder season (before summer and after winter), New Zealand ensures that there is sufficient tourist traffic throughout the year.
So how are the different countries promoting themselves? First, they are luring the travellers by offering cheap packages. Earlier this year, Tourism Malaysia tied-up with SriLankan Airlines to offer a three-night four-days package to Kuala Lumpur for only Rs 18,000.
Secondly, they are entering niche segments. Malaysia which had 145,000 Indian visitors last year and which expects the number to rise to over 200,000 this year is promoting itself in a big way as a motor sport and golf destination.
The Malaysian Grand Prix 2004 was promoted in India in a major way. Special packages were launched in association with leading travel agents, wherein the cost of entry ticket to Sepang International Circuit was included. These packages cost approximately Rs 40,000 for four days and three nights.
Tourism Malaysia has been spending heavily to make its presence felt. To promote the Malaysian Grand Prix, it co-sponsored the JK Tyre Go Karting National Championship, 2003. It also ran a popular contest with General Motors show as the ``Race to Malaysia`` contest and tied up with Tag Heuer for a consumer contest, coinciding the launch of the Formula 1 watch.
As a result of these market initiatives, nearly 2,000 Indians travelled to witness the Sepang Formula 1 live. The figure for the 2003 race was a mere 500.
Similarly, Singapore is promoting itself in four main areas: leisure, education, healthcare, and BT-MICE (conferences). ``While leisure and business tourism has been our mainstay for the last decade, Singapore offers education and healthcare opportunities that we believe should be promoted as well,`` says Chew.
The STB has been making presentations in schools in Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai to promote school trips to Singapore and is also attracting Indian students for post-graduate courses.
MICE (which is basically corporate training and incentive) is an extremely fast-growing sector globally and has a growth of 10 per cent annually. Countries such as Singapore, Malaysia, Mauritius, Australia, Sri Lanka and South Africa are all trying to get a slice of this pie.
The tourism boards of different countries are all hardselling their countries through presentations to corporate houses and HR consultancy firms. Says a spokesperson of Mauritius Tourism, ``MICE is good for business as the volumes are very high.``
If that`s not all, these tourism promotion boards are now concentrating on smaller towns and cities. Malaysia, for instance, is now advertising in vernacular papers in an attempt to reach the masses. Says Kumar, ``We are now spreading ourselves wide.``
Similarly, Sri Lanka which, had over 90,000 Indian visitors last year and which expects this number to go up to 150,000, is promoting itself in regional markets. Says Rajeev Nangia of the Sri Lanka Tourism Board, ``With the opening up of the skies, we are now targeting the regional markets.`` There are now nearly 90 flights to Colombo per week.
Of course, the open-sky policy has done a lot to promote outbound tourism. Competition has led to cheaper fares, which has resulted in higher tourist traffic. Also, the weakening of the dollar against the Indian rupee has made foreign holidays cheaper for Indians.
Tourism boards are resorting to all manner of attraction-getting tricks. So Australia has appointed cricketer Steve Waugh and South Africa has opted for slightly different allure with actress Mandira Bedi. The Australian Tourist Commission promoted Australia through serials such as Kyunki Kii Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi.
Another significant change is that where earlier all the advertising and promotions were aimed at the travel agents, in the hope that travel agents will promote a particular country, now they are aimed at the traveller directly.
With the holiday season round the corner, more and more Indians are making their bookings to visit foreign shores. No wonder the tourism boards are grinning.
Why the world loves Indian tourists
Smita Tripathi | October 23, 2004
Remember the stereotype Japanese tourists of the 1980s? They had cameras slung over their shoulders -- Canons and Nikons, naturally -- and they clutched guidebooks like they had discovered a new religion tucked between pages on La Tour Eiffel or the Arc de Triomphe. Oh, and they also had wads of cheaply bought tourist dollars.
The world has changed beyond recognition in the last decade. The Japanese economic miracle has turned sour and as travellers the Japanese have been replaced by other races -- Eastern Europeans coming in hordes from the former Soviet Bloc countries, getting their first taste of western Europe and the United States.
There`s even the Chinese leaving their fast-growth workers paradise for a quick glimpse of how foreigners live.
Are middle-class Indians about to take their place at the back of this queue? Suddenly, Indians are getting itchy feet and looking across the kala pani to foreign shores.
And most countries (except for the UK and USA which are afraid of illegal immigration and also terrorist attacks) are going all out to attract the Indian tourist. Yes, the global Indian has finally arrived and the fact that 20 or so countries have set up tourist promotion boards in India, is proof of that.
Countries as far apart as Seychelles, Malaysia, Spain, Hong Kong, New Zealand etc are competing with each other for the Indian tourist`s time and, more importantly, money.
But why are countries going all out to attract Indians? ``They spend money,`` says Edward Chew, spokesperson of the Singapore Tourism Board. Last year, Indians were the highest spending travelling community in Singapore with an average daily spend of S$200-300.
They beat the Japanese who till the year before last were the highest spenders. Singapore recorded 309,383 arrivals from India last year of which 34 per cent were leisure travellers. However, because of Sars (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome), 2003 was a bad year for tourist traffic. In 2002, 375,000 Indians visited Singapore, which was an increase of 10.5 per cent over 2001.
The fact that Indians splurge on shopping, of course, makes them the favourites of various countries. But shopping isn`t the only thing they spend heavily on.
Says Bhupesh Kumar, marketing manager, Tourism Malaysia, ``Most Indians prefer to stay in 4 star and 5 star accommodation. This is of course good for the Malaysian economy.``
Moreover, most Indians travel with families and so the average spend goes up. Also, they are very enthusiastic when it comes to trying out new things.
Says a spokesperson of the Mauritius Tourism Promotion Board, ``Indians like to try out everything even though these (submarine rides, dolphin shows etc) activities are extremely expensive.``
About 5.5 million Indians are expected to travel this year and that`s up from 4.5 million in 2002, which was a boom year for tourism. Says Ankur Bhatia, chairman, Amadeus, ``As the economy grows more and more people are likely to increase expenditure on travel.``
What`s more, the global spend on travel is 9 per cent to 10 per cent of GDP while in India the average is only 2 per cent to 3 per cent. That means it will take us another ten years to reach the global average. Countries promoting themselves in India realise this.
Countries such as New Zealand have identified India as an emerging market. Says Kiran Nambiar of the New Zealand Tourist Promotion Board, which was set up in March last year, ``India will be a very valued country in the next seven to eight years.`` Although, only around 17,000 Indians visited New Zealand last year, it was an increase of 25 per cent and Nambiar expects it to keep growing.
New Zealand has slightly different reasons for attracting the Indians. The country is trying to develop tourism in the May-June period, which is peak outbound traffic from India. By promoting tourism in the shoulder season (before summer and after winter), New Zealand ensures that there is sufficient tourist traffic throughout the year.
So how are the different countries promoting themselves? First, they are luring the travellers by offering cheap packages. Earlier this year, Tourism Malaysia tied-up with SriLankan Airlines to offer a three-night four-days package to Kuala Lumpur for only Rs 18,000.
Secondly, they are entering niche segments. Malaysia which had 145,000 Indian visitors last year and which expects the number to rise to over 200,000 this year is promoting itself in a big way as a motor sport and golf destination.
The Malaysian Grand Prix 2004 was promoted in India in a major way. Special packages were launched in association with leading travel agents, wherein the cost of entry ticket to Sepang International Circuit was included. These packages cost approximately Rs 40,000 for four days and three nights.
Tourism Malaysia has been spending heavily to make its presence felt. To promote the Malaysian Grand Prix, it co-sponsored the JK Tyre Go Karting National Championship, 2003. It also ran a popular contest with General Motors show as the ``Race to Malaysia`` contest and tied up with Tag Heuer for a consumer contest, coinciding the launch of the Formula 1 watch.
As a result of these market initiatives, nearly 2,000 Indians travelled to witness the Sepang Formula 1 live. The figure for the 2003 race was a mere 500.
Similarly, Singapore is promoting itself in four main areas: leisure, education, healthcare, and BT-MICE (conferences). ``While leisure and business tourism has been our mainstay for the last decade, Singapore offers education and healthcare opportunities that we believe should be promoted as well,`` says Chew.
The STB has been making presentations in schools in Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai to promote school trips to Singapore and is also attracting Indian students for post-graduate courses.
MICE (which is basically corporate training and incentive) is an extremely fast-growing sector globally and has a growth of 10 per cent annually. Countries such as Singapore, Malaysia, Mauritius, Australia, Sri Lanka and South Africa are all trying to get a slice of this pie.
The tourism boards of different countries are all hardselling their countries through presentations to corporate houses and HR consultancy firms. Says a spokesperson of Mauritius Tourism, ``MICE is good for business as the volumes are very high.``
If that`s not all, these tourism promotion boards are now concentrating on smaller towns and cities. Malaysia, for instance, is now advertising in vernacular papers in an attempt to reach the masses. Says Kumar, ``We are now spreading ourselves wide.``
Similarly, Sri Lanka which, had over 90,000 Indian visitors last year and which expects this number to go up to 150,000, is promoting itself in regional markets. Says Rajeev Nangia of the Sri Lanka Tourism Board, ``With the opening up of the skies, we are now targeting the regional markets.`` There are now nearly 90 flights to Colombo per week.
Of course, the open-sky policy has done a lot to promote outbound tourism. Competition has led to cheaper fares, which has resulted in higher tourist traffic. Also, the weakening of the dollar against the Indian rupee has made foreign holidays cheaper for Indians.
Tourism boards are resorting to all manner of attraction-getting tricks. So Australia has appointed cricketer Steve Waugh and South Africa has opted for slightly different allure with actress Mandira Bedi. The Australian Tourist Commission promoted Australia through serials such as Kyunki Kii Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi.
Another significant change is that where earlier all the advertising and promotions were aimed at the travel agents, in the hope that travel agents will promote a particular country, now they are aimed at the traveller directly.
With the holiday season round the corner, more and more Indians are making their bookings to visit foreign shores. No wonder the tourism boards are grinning.
#132 Posted by mohar11 on October 23, 2004 8:15:11 am
114/ahmed
//..Next time a CREIP starts talking about muslim terrorists, you can post a picture of a child burnt to death by hindu terrorists in India. ...//
Exactly. You have found the holy grail, old boy. Just post a picture of a hindu terrorist .... and Jihad will be forgotten, forever swept under the giant rug............ FBI/CIA will move over to gujrat to capture hindu terrorists. .............Daisy cutters will rain down on Gandhi Nagar..........101 Airborne will be buzzing over the ``atunomous`` tribal regions around Bombay to flush out hindu terrorists from their caves ........ US Army will be fighting a vicious hindu insurgency to install democracy in the hindu world.
The entire world would be waiting with bated-breaths to see if the civilized world could succeed taming and reforming these terrorist breeding hindu country, where fiery pundits with flowing beards churn out millions of young hindus specially trained to fly planes into tall building wherever they see them.
And as for the Land of Pure, life would be back to where it was .... Jihad will be back in full action ...... Jihadis and closet-jihadis will finally get their life back to practice the most peaceful religion in the world.
If wishes were horses..... :)))
//..Next time a CREIP starts talking about muslim terrorists, you can post a picture of a child burnt to death by hindu terrorists in India. ...//
Exactly. You have found the holy grail, old boy. Just post a picture of a hindu terrorist .... and Jihad will be forgotten, forever swept under the giant rug............ FBI/CIA will move over to gujrat to capture hindu terrorists. .............Daisy cutters will rain down on Gandhi Nagar..........101 Airborne will be buzzing over the ``atunomous`` tribal regions around Bombay to flush out hindu terrorists from their caves ........ US Army will be fighting a vicious hindu insurgency to install democracy in the hindu world.
The entire world would be waiting with bated-breaths to see if the civilized world could succeed taming and reforming these terrorist breeding hindu country, where fiery pundits with flowing beards churn out millions of young hindus specially trained to fly planes into tall building wherever they see them.
And as for the Land of Pure, life would be back to where it was .... Jihad will be back in full action ...... Jihadis and closet-jihadis will finally get their life back to practice the most peaceful religion in the world.
If wishes were horses..... :)))
#131 Posted by mohar11 on October 23, 2004 8:15:11 am
114
//...The poor in India .... face the same problems as the poor do in Pakistan every day...//
No, they don`t. Poor in India elect their own leaders (jacka$$es, is the right term). So there is a qualitative difference here. If indians are still dirt poor, they have the option of giving laloo the boot and elect somebody in who can do the job.
Come to think of it - poor, rich, it don`t matter - Indians are the biggest loosers in entire democratic world. I mean you pakis at least have some good excuses - no democracy, rampant feudalism, widespread jihad, mullahs, military, kashmir ...blah...blah [ man - you guys have tons excuses :) ]
But what excuses do the Indians have to be the poorest, even after 57 years of democracy and freedom?? I mean - what excuse can you give for keep electing Laloos, commies, gandhis, italians, modis, thackerays and all sorts of low-life scum that stink up the political landscape. None whatsover.
//...The poor in India .... face the same problems as the poor do in Pakistan every day...//
No, they don`t. Poor in India elect their own leaders (jacka$$es, is the right term). So there is a qualitative difference here. If indians are still dirt poor, they have the option of giving laloo the boot and elect somebody in who can do the job.
Come to think of it - poor, rich, it don`t matter - Indians are the biggest loosers in entire democratic world. I mean you pakis at least have some good excuses - no democracy, rampant feudalism, widespread jihad, mullahs, military, kashmir ...blah...blah [ man - you guys have tons excuses :) ]
But what excuses do the Indians have to be the poorest, even after 57 years of democracy and freedom?? I mean - what excuse can you give for keep electing Laloos, commies, gandhis, italians, modis, thackerays and all sorts of low-life scum that stink up the political landscape. None whatsover.
#130 Posted by tahmed32 on October 23, 2004 7:39:15 am
veeresh #119: Careful veeresh. You are spinning out of control again, and seeing Kashmir when I never mentioned even it, while ignoring what I did write.
(btw, I gave up decades ago on the Indian government being capable of doing anything remotely intelligent or even moral. I know this will hurt your patriotism, so let me hasten to assure you that I gave up on the Pakistan government too at around the same time...and I think that even if kashmir becomes independent of both these scoundrels India and Pakistan, they will merely create their own bunch of local Kashmiri scoundrels who will then proceed to screw the little guy in kashmir...and so I really do give a flying fluck on what happens in kashmir. the poor are screwed in all scenarios.) So, dont accuse me of things I never said while ignoring what I do say.
As for talking to M about democracy in Pakistan, no problem sir. Next time I am in Islamabad, I shall give him a holler and convey your message.
btw, In the meantime, maybe you want to go have a chat with Modi and tell him it is not a good thing in a democracy to burn people who dont vote for him, even if they happen to be mere low caste hindus converts to islam.
(btw, I gave up decades ago on the Indian government being capable of doing anything remotely intelligent or even moral. I know this will hurt your patriotism, so let me hasten to assure you that I gave up on the Pakistan government too at around the same time...and I think that even if kashmir becomes independent of both these scoundrels India and Pakistan, they will merely create their own bunch of local Kashmiri scoundrels who will then proceed to screw the little guy in kashmir...and so I really do give a flying fluck on what happens in kashmir. the poor are screwed in all scenarios.) So, dont accuse me of things I never said while ignoring what I do say.
As for talking to M about democracy in Pakistan, no problem sir. Next time I am in Islamabad, I shall give him a holler and convey your message.
btw, In the meantime, maybe you want to go have a chat with Modi and tell him it is not a good thing in a democracy to burn people who dont vote for him, even if they happen to be mere low caste hindus converts to islam.
#129 Posted by tahmed32 on October 23, 2004 7:39:15 am
rsridhar #124 If you re-read what I wrote more carefully, you will see that I was referring quite explicitly only to a subset of Indian posters on chowk. This excludes all Indians not on chowk, so please dont drag poor manmohan singh into chowk.
And I have read enough from these Indian posters to understand their mindset: the hypocrisy of Jay thakeray as for years he shed crocodile tears over honor killings in Pakistan while forgetting the far greater scale of brutality against women in India (looks like he is no longer on chowk, and good riddance as far as I am concerned); the bloody mindedness of Arjun who crowed with delight at the real life misfortune of Pakistanis who were deported to Pakistan; the filth that gb wrote about Pakistani women, demonstrating the filth he grew up in; the innumerable Indians who have come and gone from chowk brimming with hatred at the ``paki jehadis`` while conveniently ignoring that there is no shortage of hindu terrorists in India; and the innumberable Indians who have proved incapable in their hatred for Pakistan to be able to even call it by its proper name.
So re-read my post and then we can talk. I dont make grand generalizations about all Indians or even about all Indians on chowk. But when I refer to cheapsters and lowlife, it is based on what they have written and thus demonstrated their mindset.
And I have read enough from these Indian posters to understand their mindset: the hypocrisy of Jay thakeray as for years he shed crocodile tears over honor killings in Pakistan while forgetting the far greater scale of brutality against women in India (looks like he is no longer on chowk, and good riddance as far as I am concerned); the bloody mindedness of Arjun who crowed with delight at the real life misfortune of Pakistanis who were deported to Pakistan; the filth that gb wrote about Pakistani women, demonstrating the filth he grew up in; the innumerable Indians who have come and gone from chowk brimming with hatred at the ``paki jehadis`` while conveniently ignoring that there is no shortage of hindu terrorists in India; and the innumberable Indians who have proved incapable in their hatred for Pakistan to be able to even call it by its proper name.
So re-read my post and then we can talk. I dont make grand generalizations about all Indians or even about all Indians on chowk. But when I refer to cheapsters and lowlife, it is based on what they have written and thus demonstrated their mindset.
#128 Posted by HP on October 23, 2004 7:39:15 am
So the hateful woman is back with all her high-mindedness. This sandas wants to tell us that she can be objective and knows a thing or two about taxis and their drivers. Good for her.
Here is this person who is begging the US to attack Pakistan because India does not have the wherewithal do that. The neo-fascist and murders of Gujarat are teaching people how to find real people. Yep! You did find real people in Gujarat- women, little children, and old people. Yes! you do have knack for finding real people to kill.
#127 Posted by saint on October 23, 2004 7:39:14 am
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#126 Posted by harimau on October 23, 2004 7:39:14 am
Ref Soulat #74
[Notice the unpaved streets in the metropolis Delhi. (Jama Masjid area) ]
We in India don`t waste paving material on Muslim localities ;)
Just another hardship faced by the Ummah in Dar-ul-Harb.
[Notice the unpaved streets in the metropolis Delhi. (Jama Masjid area) ]
We in India don`t waste paving material on Muslim localities ;)
Just another hardship faced by the Ummah in Dar-ul-Harb.
#125 Posted by rajsinghi1 on October 23, 2004 7:39:14 am
KkkandK (and Stuka)
Quote:
``we are talking about tiping not eating and partying. Gujjus and tipping go together like mullas and lap dancing. Indians do eat out, but do not tip generously (if at all!). Indians, whether Punjabis or not, under the influence of ``firewater`` are another story - they start tipping as if they are Muslim fathers at their daughter`s wedding. ``
A slight mistake on my part. When I said Gujratis, I should have clarified that Gujratis mainly who have migrated from African countries to Europe/England. Sure many migrated to US too. It is possible that things may have not changed that much in US when it comes to tipping by Gujratis but my understanding is, in England it has/had changed quite a lot.
Only till couple of years ago, in London alone, there were (I am not very clear on the present situation, as of now) 90/100 Indian clubs (drinks/food/big screen to watch matches and/or Indian movies, songs from Indian movies). Majority is owned/run/managed by Gujratis. And main clientele is also Gujratis. Without reasonable tips at places like these, clubs would have been closed long ago. And no, salaries are not high in these clubs at all. These clubs and restaurants like these are not limited to London but are well spread out in other parts too. Well, that was the case at least till couple of years ago, as I understand.
Second, when I said Punjabis being biggest tippers, that was in the context of Indian communities in India. Influence of firewater does have a role to play, but not always or all the way.
Veeresh has mentioned cold cuts in La Rochelle (spl?)...would like to remind him and Stuka of Serpent Coffee (by way of flambe) which became a big thing in that restaurant. Originally it was known as Pichoo coffee as it was created by him. People used to tip him much more than the price/cost of coffee (this has nothing to do with tipping in general, which was/is being talked about) ... :)
As to Imperial, prefer to keep that image of white coloured coffee shop, and sitting in the garden in winter sun, among many other things/images..:)
Quote:
``we are talking about tiping not eating and partying. Gujjus and tipping go together like mullas and lap dancing. Indians do eat out, but do not tip generously (if at all!). Indians, whether Punjabis or not, under the influence of ``firewater`` are another story - they start tipping as if they are Muslim fathers at their daughter`s wedding. ``
A slight mistake on my part. When I said Gujratis, I should have clarified that Gujratis mainly who have migrated from African countries to Europe/England. Sure many migrated to US too. It is possible that things may have not changed that much in US when it comes to tipping by Gujratis but my understanding is, in England it has/had changed quite a lot.
Only till couple of years ago, in London alone, there were (I am not very clear on the present situation, as of now) 90/100 Indian clubs (drinks/food/big screen to watch matches and/or Indian movies, songs from Indian movies). Majority is owned/run/managed by Gujratis. And main clientele is also Gujratis. Without reasonable tips at places like these, clubs would have been closed long ago. And no, salaries are not high in these clubs at all. These clubs and restaurants like these are not limited to London but are well spread out in other parts too. Well, that was the case at least till couple of years ago, as I understand.
Second, when I said Punjabis being biggest tippers, that was in the context of Indian communities in India. Influence of firewater does have a role to play, but not always or all the way.
Veeresh has mentioned cold cuts in La Rochelle (spl?)...would like to remind him and Stuka of Serpent Coffee (by way of flambe) which became a big thing in that restaurant. Originally it was known as Pichoo coffee as it was created by him. People used to tip him much more than the price/cost of coffee (this has nothing to do with tipping in general, which was/is being talked about) ... :)
As to Imperial, prefer to keep that image of white coloured coffee shop, and sitting in the garden in winter sun, among many other things/images..:)
#124 Posted by rsridhar on October 22, 2004 9:02:03 pm
re:#93 by sac
Not so fast dude.
Many even in Chowk share veeresh`s views. I, for one, would not visit Pakistan even if i were offered a free ticket.
It is not prejudice.
I just think Pakis have a lot of baggage on their shoulders and i, as a south indian (and a vegetarian to boot) would find it extremely tough travelling around in Paksitan.
Pakistan (from what i have read about it) seems like a place only for the powerful elite. The poor there are just rotting away with little hope. The middle class in Pak is small.
In India too, there is a lot of poverty. The difference is: democracy offers poor people some choices. Of late, they are making good use of those choices. India is in transition and u would find the diffence only in next 20-25 years as India continues to forge ahead with its economic development.
Sridhar
Not so fast dude.
Many even in Chowk share veeresh`s views. I, for one, would not visit Pakistan even if i were offered a free ticket.
It is not prejudice.
I just think Pakis have a lot of baggage on their shoulders and i, as a south indian (and a vegetarian to boot) would find it extremely tough travelling around in Paksitan.
Pakistan (from what i have read about it) seems like a place only for the powerful elite. The poor there are just rotting away with little hope. The middle class in Pak is small.
In India too, there is a lot of poverty. The difference is: democracy offers poor people some choices. Of late, they are making good use of those choices. India is in transition and u would find the diffence only in next 20-25 years as India continues to forge ahead with its economic development.
Sridhar
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