Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return

huh? # 340 ought to have shown up before # 339.

Understandably, Chowk staff too appears to have lost its marbles.....

manto
//...I personally tore down the anti-India/Anti-Hindu Banner... //

You did? Thanks Man! That`s some brave act, isn`t it?

So what did the jihadis do - when you were out there tearing down their life`s work and livelihood? Did they just sit there, AK-47 in hand, twiddling their thumbs? Or did they offer some refreshments for all your troubles.?

Sell your snake-oil somewhere else Manto!! We are all stocked up here :))))

btw, there will always be a paucity of Big and Beautiful buildings/structures built with tax-payer money in India.

In India, politicians are as eager to spend public money on building Big and Beautiful things as anywhere else - all over the world it is politicians` way to keep their friends happy to give them nice big building contracts. However, unless the said politicians in India are exceptionally strong or exceptionally corrupt, they are liable to be thrown out of office for wasting taxpayer money if the thing becomes too Big or too Beautiful right under the suffering public`s eye. One can see lots and lots of foundation stones now lying hidden under bushes which were dedicated by hopeful politicians to big and beautiful things `which might have been`.

#340 by Ralph

Yeah - hamidm is alright. I just having a little fun at his expense, that`s all :) You don`t mind that - do you, Hamid Mian???

Tahmed

Post#319

Twice you have used smilie sign in that post...So what shall I say..:)

Anyway, I have neither interpreted what Veeresh has said nor have I explained or said, what Veeresh meant in those posts. I have merely quoted what he has written. And have also asked a question indirectly on the basis of what you have written. That is all, Sir.

Btw it is/was not about defending Veeresh. If the need arise, he himself is quite capable of doing that much better. It was about what you have said, about what he has written..:)

Anyway......

Salim

Post#294

Quote:

`` Khoob faida utha rahe hen aap log Ramzan ke mahine ka. Enjoy while there are a few more weeks and my sharafat knows no bounds. But come Eid, you will all be singing a different tune. It will be a real bhaloo dance - except that the hunters will be taking turns doing ``touch their toes`` exercises as the bhaloo punishes each and every one for misbehaving all month long. Keep up the nonsense and you will need those multiple recti, not just for the vegetarian samosas. ``

Mian, is Ramzan se pehle agar aapnay koi pahaar khoday hain, ya nadeeyon ke bahav badal diye hain kay jo aap hum logon ko some sharafat kee kahani soon-a rahein hain aur darane kee koshish kar rahein hain? Crude translation: Prior to Ramzan, have you been moving mountains, changing the flow of rivers that you are trying to threaten/scare us now, and expect from us to bow down? :)

As to khoob fayada ootha rahein hain, bilkul, beshak! Aap bhee or aap kay saathi log bhee tau yahee kar rahein hain. Meaning, Sure, I/we are taking advantage all the way but you, and some others like you too are doing the same. However, big difference is, what kind of advantage?

Some like me take advantage of the internet and of forum like this by trying to learn new things, add on to learning, and sharing as well. In contrast, some like yourself, take advantage of the internet by coming with lame excuse in the name of Ramzan and at the same time threat/s, in the name of EID. And some others are taking advantage (khoob faida utha rahein hain, as you have written) by calling names to others. So, faida tau Sahib, sabhee ootha rahein hain lekin, faiday faiday mein kaafee furk hai..crude translation:Sure, everyone is taking advantage but there is difference in the kind of advantage .

Khair, aap khush rahein, aapkay jaan-ne wale, chah-ne wale bhee khush rahein...Be happy, and wish the same for your known ones and loved ones..

abe tahmed

stop calling me named like balanced. look here, use of perspective in realistic painting was the result of artists learning reason-based stuff like math. byzentines were doing it when they got overwhelmed by turks. now, i am not saying that islam caused downfall of that part of the world for next 400 years, salim is. he claims all the nice things in constantinople are islamic achievments. had he said they were turki that would be different, but that is a fight you take with salim, not with me. my contention is that byzoos were doing just fine, and would have produced great things without the turki hordes. if halaku was bad for baghdad and fall of islamic greatness, why not the same logic here?

but you ummaites are so eager to jump the gun..why defend the ottos so much? mughals i understand, since lahore was mughal capital an all (not).

A delightful show. The only downer is that it may end soon.

Chowk staff, you need to return this article to the top of the list. Hamidm2 ji, my favorite wise man, should write more, and brother Mohar11 oughtn`t get so mad at him :)

The extent to which these Pakis go to defend Paki jihadis is amazing(actually not).

Omarjee #329
Those are Paki govt`s own figures:
http://www.pakboi.gov.pk/PDF/circulation_newspapers_by%20languagetype.pdf

Your argument `salary is higher, so price is higher, so circulation is less` for all employees/prices of all 168-odd daily newspapers in Pakistan and 1500-odd daily newspapers in India which constitute those total circulation figures, is meaningless. I don`t know why I expected you to catch on to this looking at the figures.

And why ARE the costs of living so different? It is puzzling that Pakistanis choose to go without newspapers of all things when we are told they are doing better than Indians in every economic indicator.

And from viewpoint of policymakers, newspapers are institutions for empowerment of citizens, just like schools - saying that we are forced to have fewer newspapers with higher price is like saying we are forced have fewer schools of higher fees - a wholly self-serving argument for the elitist/feudalist priorities of a nation which has been getting huge foreign aid and debt relief for many years of its existence and always claims to be doing better than India.

(btw, that is precisely veeresh`s point - in #240 he also pointed out how he did not see the early morning rush of school children and no one has refuted that yet. However deficient India is in providing basic education and India has been very deficient, the morning sight of school children heading to school is a common one in Indian towns/cities however small or big.)


Secondly, the disproportion is more than 7:1(the population ratio is not 8:1), in number of newspapers and in circulation particularly if one looks at regional languages. One example is the huge disproportion between Indian J&K and Pakistan, with Pakistan having the same literacy rate, 15 times more population had only 5 times the total circulation in Indian J&K, even two-three years into `freedom struggle`/militancy in 1992(#146). If the reason is that costs of living were much higher in Pakistan, then the analogy that Pakistan `liberating` J&K is like the Taliban `liberating` Pakistan is true not only on the newspaper circulation count but also on the cost of living count.

Thirdly I think jihadi publications are being left out of the figures.

Fourthly, as an Indian I DON`T care if prices are disproportionately higher and newspaper circulation is disproportionately lower in Pakistan, certainly I don`t care enough to be arguing uncouth Pakis about it. So you go right ahead, tell each other it is because of cost of living and be happy.

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HP

Haven`t read more than 90% of the interacts here, so this may be unfair to you, but I will say this anyway. Some of your postings twoard the end were quite off color, not at all HPesque (In style and content they were closer to the nonsense I write).

All the same, on behalf of all silent spectators from around the globe, thank you everyone. And thank you, Hamidm2 ji, for your assiduous score-keeping :)

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Population (CIA factbook, mid-year 2004 estimates)

Pakistan: 159,196,336
India: 1,065,070,607

Salim,

Ref: 297

since your return, aap apni posts or I-logs mai kaafi sharafaat aur wazadari dikhaa rahain hain .... i hope the same spirit rubs on to others ....

#318 by hamidm2

I hate to say this - but, I told you so :) You know - there was a reason why Jinnah didn`t want to live with horrible hindoos. This is what banias do to you, if you are not careful. They will come to your house, eat your food, tip your servant heavily and then scre@ you royally.

But looks like the big-tipping bania has rammed hot-rods really deep into collective paki backsides. I mean - ``pakis of all hues and colors have come together`` to sh!t all over the place??? When did that happen last time [ I mean, pakis ``coming together`` to do anything, sh!ting included] Never, I think. Not even a t war times - considering pakis lost all 4 wars they fought with banias.

I mean - one bania and a thousand paki closet-jihadis ... and yet the score is pretty much even.

The difference between Dost Mittar and Veereshji...

Unlike Veeresh, who is a wannabe elitist fart, Dost Mittar is a genuine student of culture, world heritage and society. Though he had left the Pakistan area some time before partition, ending up in East Punjab as a refugee... as a student of history and experience he doesn`t hold a grudge against me... if anything he takes me like his own son... despite the clash of identities....

Also Dost Mittar knows how to speak, read and write Urdu... now how does that matter... well consider this...

I went looking for the `Jehad boxes` today... and after much effort I did find some `fundraising boxes` with religious signs on it. I read the caption .... it said: ``Tameer-e-Masjid ka chanda` ... the fund to build (and maintain) a mosque.. it was for a particular mosque, and apparently these boxes are found in almost every community... for the upkeep of the mosques... Now personally I think spending so much money on mosques when you don`t have schools is not a good idea... but a mosque fund is quite different from a `jehad fund`....little knowledge is dangerous.

I suspect both Dost Mittar and Veeresh might have come across these boxes... while Dost Mittar, being an educated and tolerant person would have had no qualms with it ... especially since it pertains to a different religion than his own... Veeresh being the incurable wannabe elitist, India-is-the-heaven-on-earth fanatic chose to interpret the boxes as `Jehad boxes`.