Musharraf and Bush—A Symbiotic Thing?

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Mr. Ghori, you have written a first-rate article.
If at the time of signing the LFO agreement with Musharraf, the uniform was kosher for the MMA, than why is it illegitimate now? not that am favouring the uniform. The sad fact is that the hypocrite mullahs were salviating for a rule in the western provinces, so that they could try the Taliban recipe of Islam. But all the vociferous fulminations by the beareded brigade are just ``...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing``.
But more serious is the utterly shamless, unethical, unscruplous and undemocratic stance taken by the parlimentarians and the thekadars of democracy: people like Shaukat Aziz, Ch Shujaat, Rao Sikander ( the don of PPP turncoats), Faisal Saleh; and of course the assorted political whores of the Punjab and the Sindh assembly.
You are absolutely right, when you say that Musharraf is suffering from a confidence-deficit; that despite his rhetoric that the NSC will preclude a future military coup, he is unwilling to hand over the slot of COAS to a successor.
More alarming is the apathy of the people at large; maybe for them itz a non-issue, because there never was democracy in this country. The masses have been reduced to the status of inanimate beings, only focusing on endeavouring to eke out a substitence.

[General Musharraf’s credibility is on line in regard to the issue of his military uniform. He made a clear and categorical pledge to the nation of Pakistan,.....]

I didn`t need to read any further......miss credibility has been refusing to be linked in anyway whatsoever with mr. musharraf since kargil crisis.......

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I object to the use of adjective ``General`` before Musharaf`s name. The fact on the ground is that he was fired from his job by an elected representative of people of Pakistan. Such adjectives give a semblance of legitmacy to this crook. So I would request everyone never to use ``General`` or ``President`` with his name. It is true that we, the people of Pakistan, have been absolutely disenfranchised by this crook and his band of thugs called naPak fauj, but we must spare no effort to discredit him. Pakistani people in Briton are more politically evloved than us, here is US. They always greet this criminal with rotten eggs on his motorcade.

The relationship is a mutually parasitic one.

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arjun,

[Credibility in whose eyes? Americans who vote in American elections or Islamists who don`t?]

Well, there`s also Europe and other countries America desperatly wants on side. But that you break the world down into those who vote for bush (not even all American voters) and Islamists, I think your worldview is what lacks credibility...oh well lookie there, so does the neo-con one...now ain`t dat a coinkydink.

[popular angst where? Dubya`s approval number are over 50% now...]

...if that were a grade it wouldn`t even be a D. And that`s sad, `cause D is for Dubya. He`s used to that kind of grade, but the point is...what of the other 50%? I reckon you and Dubya think they`re all Islamists..teehehehe.

[just cos the Islamists mad about the war on terrorism(Afghanistan) and other wars(Iraq) don`t like dubya, it doesn`t mean there is anger among the American aam junta ]

No, because a good number of them are neo-con fascists. The author I guess hopes that there`s enough that aren`t in so far deep that they can be swayed to the side of reason.

[huh? suspect in whose eyes? The Islamists who hate him? Or the voting American population where his job approval is more than 50%.]

LOL, no, to those who want democracy in their own country but Captain Democracy and the Freedom Force have decided it`s better to support regional dictators instead. That`s why.

urstruly # 6 - you write ``Pakistani people in Briton are more politically evloved than us, here is US. They always greet this criminal with rotten eggs on his motorcade. ``

Here in US we are bound by the Patriot Act with its ``either you are with us or against us`` provision. And therefore we cannot freely throw rotten eggs at the motorcades of visiting dignitaries considered to be allies in war on terror - without being branded terrorist sympathizers ourselves.

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Chowk should have a policy re. those who write an article but never interact.
...shurly laa kay tamasha dekhade nein!

arjun_m,

``So you think the American people will vote Dubya out of office because the Europeans aren`t on the side of the US? ``

Dude, that`s just one of many reasons why many Americans feel they should elect the man out. Bush is an idiot if they vote for him or not. If some Americans don`t realize what they need, then it`s only going to make things worse for all. But, idiot see idiot do.

``gee..I forgot this was a mostly paki website..to be acceptable in pakiland, you need 96% of the vote(or was it 97.5)...For the rest of the uncivilized world, getting more than 50% of the vote would win you an election.. ``

The point was that there`s another 50% out there who won`t vote for the man. I hardly call that an overwhealming base of support, nor is the other 50% so insignificant that they`re not even worthy of mention. But of course, those guys must be in some kind of alliance with OBL...

``...the fact remains...The Islamists are mad at Dubya(and almost everyone else), the American people aren`t...``

Ohhhh, I don`t know `bout that. Sure, bubba-bushie out in middle of nowhere USA may think Bush is some kind of Holy man. You know, the kind that blab on about Israel as much as the Arabs do (something about it being neccessary to exist as a prerequesite for the Jesus to come back)...those guys are hopeless. Bush could have been half-monkey, they would have still voted for the man. Then you got GI-Joe types, who just like ``kicken ass``, and judgin` by Abu Gharib, they like doing other things to ass aswell. Well, those psycos always vote Republican anyway.

But there`s tonnes more who are just ignorant, and actually buy this business about tax cuts working for the economy, or that the war in Iraq was about WMD, or security, or eliminating a dictator, or whatever the hell the current excuse is. Now, these people can be educated...

``IF they vote dubya out of office, it won`t be because of the Iraq war or some other issue that drives Islamists up the wall..``

Sure as hell, it`s Iraq and a whole whack of issues that generate Islamists and piss off people well beyond the Muslim world that will get him re-elected...

``Sure...I`ll bet there will be a bunch of people who`ll see reason and agree that the pentagon wasn`t hit by a plane or that 4000 jews were absent from the WTC on 9/11...``

LOL, or think that there were no WMD`s in Iraq or that it wasn`t a key state sponsor of terrorism...oh wait...that ``conspiracy theory`` was actually a good old fashoined...*gasp*, conspiracy!

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You have hit the bull`s eye. Mush is nothing but a lapdog of Bush. If Bush says jump, he will jump. So much for all the Pakistani talk of ghairat!!

I see no particular insights in this article, and a lot of trite stuff. E.g. ``Musharraf could still do Bush the greatest favour possible if he could, somehow, become a factor in the capture, dead or alive, of Osama bin Laden``. (This is not even true, when you think of it - the issue with the US public is not that Bush is not doing enough in response to 9/11. The issue is that he is doing the wrong things. Osama may not be dead, but he is seen as having been effectively quarantined in the tribal areas, and is already mentioned more often in cartoons and late night show hosts than by serious news analysts.)

This article is required reading - if you have been shipwrecked on a deserted island for the past few years. Otherwise, it can be safely skipped with no loss whatsover.

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``Oh...so now you`re not comparing it to a D grade....good..that`s an improvement...politics and math in one go...you`ve learnt something on chowk today.. ``

Oh dear, so touchy. IT IS not even a D grade statistically...used as a slight against moron Bush, not used as a general comment against democracy...POINT was that you were overlooking another 50% of the voters....dude, if you don`t want to address the point then move on.

``Nope...but you`re assusming that the people who don`t vote for Bush are doing so because they share your Islamists views about him...``

LOL, Michael Moore is an Islamist? He has `Islamist` views? Hell, even Bill Maher has similar views on Bush...oh dear, you`re really intent on painting anyone who disagrees as ``the Enemy`` aren`t ya?

``there won`t be more than 10% of people who`ll vote against Bush only because of his stance on the war(a stance which I happen to think is wrong) ``

Good for you cupcake! Showing signs of intelligence already! I have no idea where you`re pulling 10% from, however I`d go so far as to state (without proof meself) that Bush`s (mis)handling of the war in Iraq, hell even starting it in the first place, is a main interest point for the half who either won`t vote for him or are undecided.

``Again...you don`t have a clue and it`s painfully obvious...in 2000, gore got 40% of the evangelical vote...``

Dude, that was then and this is now. No such split exists among the evangelical vote. Keep race in mind here as well, as the Black evangelicals typically are democrat whereas the White`s are Republicans. I admit, I was not aware of that figure, however I know among white evangelicals, support for Bush now is a done deal.

``joe six-pack won`t vote for bush because he`s part of a big zionist plot for greater Israel or whatever is the Islamist conspiracy theory of the week...``

You simply have to watch the shows they churn out every Sunday, weather it`s Jack van Impe, or that Hagee guy....there is no conspiracy theory here. This is fact, and if you don`t want to admit to it then move on. The fact is, evangelicals support Israel because of religious reasons, and it is their support that actually fuels American policy towards Israel, not some secret Jewish society which rules the world. The Jewish lobby is strong, however a major target of their campaigns are pro-Israel Christians. Liberal Jews are up in arms against this, and see this bad for Israel in the long term. Clue in before you call anyone else clueless.

I can`t put it better than Abraham Foxman, Director of the ADL (http://www.adl.org/Israel/evangelical.asp):


In sum, American Jews should not be apologetic or defensive about cultivating Evangelical support for Israel. The need for support by an Israel under siege is great. Fortunately, Evangelical support is overwhelming, consistent, and unconditional. And the fears that such support will undermine our impact on other concerns that American Jews have are overblown, since we will continue, to articulate in forceful ways our significant disagreements on social issues.



``there are very few people who`ll vote for him because of their biblical belief in greater Israel... ``

Nonsense.

``Iraq having WMDs is more plausible than the Islamist kooky theory about 9/11 being out of the zionist playbook..``

Actually, it wasn`t. It was only more believable to you.

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