The Doll’s House
Farzana Versey September 27, 2004
#350 Posted by orangepeko on October 2, 2004 11:49:58 am
Obviously, no one is talking about this, but what the heck. It is hard to imagine how it would be if Hindus had to take our personal matters relating to marriage,divorce, maintanence and custody to our local temple committees. It appears that many Muslims in India do indeed have to submit to decisions of their local Jamaats in these personal matters.
Nazneen Barkath, president of the Madurai-based All India Progressive Muslim Conference:
``It is, of course, necessary to get rid of the un-Islamic practice of triple talaq, but the long-term battle must be for women`s participation in the affairs of the jamaat (community). Unless Muslim women get a due share in the administration of mosques, women`s issues will only be decided by men.``
http://www.lehigh.edu/~amsp/2004/07/personal-law-in-india-triple-talaq.html
It seems as if all the chattering classes` attention is on what Muslim law is. But the mechanism of how justice is dispensed is also important and gets no attention.
Correct me if I am wrong. Currently there appears to be the AIMPLB, family courts and local Jamaats(apart from the state`s regular court system).
A suggestion is that UCC-like situation be brought in gradually. Perhaps the process can begin by each state having its own state level Muslim Personal Law board (if they don`t already exist?), so that
1. Application of laws/precedents gets gradually standardized at state level
2. There are more avenues for women to appeal local decisions,
3. The effect of arbitrariness/closed process of local Jamaats can be reduced
4. AIMPLB is forced to share decisionmaking power with a larger number of people.
5. There is increased visibility of the process.
Then elections can be introduced to appoint members to district/ state boards. That might persuage clerics to tailor their interpretions more to the inclinations of the larger Muslim population and less to retain the clerics` hold on them.
The point is without infringing on the `minority communities` constitutional right to manage their own religious affairs`, the dispensing of justice under Muslim law can be standardized better and those who dispense justice can be made more accountable.
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#349 Posted by harimau on October 2, 2004 10:20:13 am
FV writes:
[I drink tea made with the milk of gau-mata...]
The entire world does, unless one prefers one`s tea without milk.
Your Hindu neighbor might revere the cow as the gau-mata but I think beef is available in Bombay so your rights are not being violated. If you say that he should not call the cow gau-mata and revere it, in what way is that different from that women`s organization in Kashmir demanding that Kashmiri Muslimas should wear the burqa? How far is that from a Sunni Muslim in Pakistan shooting down Shias in imambaras? Where does anybody get off telling others what they can do, what they can wear, what they can worship? Do you mean to say that you should be able to tell Hindus that they shouldn`t worship cows because it offends your sensibilities when you take tea but they shouldn`t be able to tell you not to worship Allah?
If you are trying to make a point that a Hindu calling a cow gau-mata makes you feel pressured to accommodate if not join the Hindu mainstream, what sort of accommodation have you actually made?
[.... I have to plan in advance not to go anywhere on the day of the Ganapathy visarjan because the elephant god is being taken for immersion to pollute the rivers and the sea and the police force has to be put in the service of their majesties while they get drunk...]
And every single person in Bombay or Chennai has to do that. Heck, I would have to do that on the day Doctor Artist Leader the Fund of Compassion croaks and you probably would have to do it on the day Bal Thakre kicks the bucket... not because of your religion but because you (and I) don`t want to deal with the riff-raff.
[....or I have to tread carefully during Holi because someone will throw a water balloon days ahead of the festival, sometimes with sharp things in it that could turn me blind.]
The missile is aimed not at you as a Muslima but at any passing person. According to the Law of Large Numbers, the probability that a Hindu would be blinded is about 7 times greater than the chance that a Muslim would be blinded. At least, nobody in Bombay is wandering into an Ismaili congregation and setting off bombs unlike in a neighboring country to the west.
[I drink tea made with the milk of gau-mata...]
The entire world does, unless one prefers one`s tea without milk.
Your Hindu neighbor might revere the cow as the gau-mata but I think beef is available in Bombay so your rights are not being violated. If you say that he should not call the cow gau-mata and revere it, in what way is that different from that women`s organization in Kashmir demanding that Kashmiri Muslimas should wear the burqa? How far is that from a Sunni Muslim in Pakistan shooting down Shias in imambaras? Where does anybody get off telling others what they can do, what they can wear, what they can worship? Do you mean to say that you should be able to tell Hindus that they shouldn`t worship cows because it offends your sensibilities when you take tea but they shouldn`t be able to tell you not to worship Allah?
If you are trying to make a point that a Hindu calling a cow gau-mata makes you feel pressured to accommodate if not join the Hindu mainstream, what sort of accommodation have you actually made?
[.... I have to plan in advance not to go anywhere on the day of the Ganapathy visarjan because the elephant god is being taken for immersion to pollute the rivers and the sea and the police force has to be put in the service of their majesties while they get drunk...]
And every single person in Bombay or Chennai has to do that. Heck, I would have to do that on the day Doctor Artist Leader the Fund of Compassion croaks and you probably would have to do it on the day Bal Thakre kicks the bucket... not because of your religion but because you (and I) don`t want to deal with the riff-raff.
[....or I have to tread carefully during Holi because someone will throw a water balloon days ahead of the festival, sometimes with sharp things in it that could turn me blind.]
The missile is aimed not at you as a Muslima but at any passing person. According to the Law of Large Numbers, the probability that a Hindu would be blinded is about 7 times greater than the chance that a Muslim would be blinded. At least, nobody in Bombay is wandering into an Ismaili congregation and setting off bombs unlike in a neighboring country to the west.
#348 Posted by DrDr on October 2, 2004 10:18:48 am
#339
haramiu is a funny guy all right, every1 likes 2 laugh at him.
haramiu is a funny guy all right, every1 likes 2 laugh at him.
#347 Posted by Modern_Dharma on October 2, 2004 10:18:48 am
TenaliRamanna #341 and All Other Friends
The Driver of human emotions travels on three carriers - human goodness, passion, and ignorance. Passion becomes the navigator of the soul when ignorance is already in command.
Do you feel that the author`s interpretation of the event in question is rooted in nescience? But could your own responses reflect your ignorance of her inner world?
We live in the same country, breathe the same air, walk the same streets, yet those living in the ocean know so little about the water.
Where does this failure to understand our own waters, our own air, come from?
We have a responsibility to understand our beliefs and motives in a truthful and consistent manner, and then to communicate them to others, again truthfully and consistently.
Do we do so? If not, then is anger the appropriate response to ignorance?
With humble greetings from a long-time, new friend.
God lets us create our own world.
The Driver of human emotions travels on three carriers - human goodness, passion, and ignorance. Passion becomes the navigator of the soul when ignorance is already in command.
Do you feel that the author`s interpretation of the event in question is rooted in nescience? But could your own responses reflect your ignorance of her inner world?
We live in the same country, breathe the same air, walk the same streets, yet those living in the ocean know so little about the water.
Where does this failure to understand our own waters, our own air, come from?
We have a responsibility to understand our beliefs and motives in a truthful and consistent manner, and then to communicate them to others, again truthfully and consistently.
Do we do so? If not, then is anger the appropriate response to ignorance?
With humble greetings from a long-time, new friend.
God lets us create our own world.
#346 Posted by harimau on October 2, 2004 10:18:48 am
Re Mullah32 #338
[I did not read your post addressed to me (you may find this hard to believe)....]
Well, isn`t that a neat way of avoiding responding to the following?
{Would anybody ban a single mosque from using loudspeakers for its call to prayer on the basis that it might inflame non-Muslims? If in fact such a ruling were enacted in India, what would be the reaction of Urstruly, _digit, Ali_1, Mullah32 and other admirers of Maulana Khuda Bux al-Hindvi?
I am willing to wait until Hell freezes over for an answer. I probably will have to.}
[....and advise you to go lick Modi`s rear end.]
How non-scum like!
[I did not read your post addressed to me (you may find this hard to believe)....]
Well, isn`t that a neat way of avoiding responding to the following?
{Would anybody ban a single mosque from using loudspeakers for its call to prayer on the basis that it might inflame non-Muslims? If in fact such a ruling were enacted in India, what would be the reaction of Urstruly, _digit, Ali_1, Mullah32 and other admirers of Maulana Khuda Bux al-Hindvi?
I am willing to wait until Hell freezes over for an answer. I probably will have to.}
[....and advise you to go lick Modi`s rear end.]
How non-scum like!
#345 Posted by harimau on October 2, 2004 10:18:48 am
Ref hindvi #339
[Harimou
you have rarely displayed humour in your outrage, but i think there lies some genuine talent here. mullah khuda Bux alhindvi :) ]
People may find this hard to believe but every single one of my posts is written with a smile on my face. I just imagine the reactions of readers and it is hard not to smile when I can see them squirming!
[Harimou
you have rarely displayed humour in your outrage, but i think there lies some genuine talent here. mullah khuda Bux alhindvi :) ]
People may find this hard to believe but every single one of my posts is written with a smile on my face. I just imagine the reactions of readers and it is hard not to smile when I can see them squirming!
#344 Posted by harimau on October 2, 2004 10:18:48 am
FV asks:
[Who is the real prisoner?]
It should be fairly obvious that it was Mohammed Arif. After all, he was held in a Pakistani prison (not POW camp) for 5 years after the ceasefire.
[Who are the real prisoners?]
Any member of the Indian Army who happens to fall into the hands of Pakistan. And their families. It just happens that Gudiya was one of them.
If you think Indian Muslims are prisoners, the walls were erected by Mohammad Ali Jinnah. Yes, the British were handing out the brick and the mortar in the form of separate constituencies and all that but it took Jinnah and the Muslim League to build the wall.
[Who is the real prisoner?]
It should be fairly obvious that it was Mohammed Arif. After all, he was held in a Pakistani prison (not POW camp) for 5 years after the ceasefire.
[Who are the real prisoners?]
Any member of the Indian Army who happens to fall into the hands of Pakistan. And their families. It just happens that Gudiya was one of them.
If you think Indian Muslims are prisoners, the walls were erected by Mohammad Ali Jinnah. Yes, the British were handing out the brick and the mortar in the form of separate constituencies and all that but it took Jinnah and the Muslim League to build the wall.
#343 Posted by hindvi on October 2, 2004 10:18:47 am
dost mittar
i have replied to you on the other board.
i have replied to you on the other board.
#342 Posted by ferozk on October 2, 2004 8:57:09 am
Just some thing to think about...as suggested by a friend....
Lets speculate and see when, would it be possible to expect the developments. Lets compare the present Islamic year 1425, with the Christian calender year 1425 and see, how long would it take for Islam to develop to the point, where the western world is today, by using a few mile stones in European history.
Reformation 1517 (2096 AD):
It would take another 92 years for a movement based on reforming Islam to happen, which would seek to question the manner in which Islam is being taught as an organized religion.
Thirty Years War 1618 (2197 AD):
It would take another 192 years before there is a political-religious civil/transnational war in Islam deciding the issues of the role of religion in politics and the role of politics to justify a theocratic form of government.
Treaty of Westphaila 1648 (2227 AD):
It would take another 223 years before the Muslim world would reject a theocratic form of government and favor a secular government. This would be the result of the futility of religious wars within Islam and their failure to settle the outstanding issues of the Muslim world. It would also be a result of the political disgust at religion and the general cynicism of the people about the worth of religion in political affairs.
The Age of Reason/Enlightenment 1700s (2279 AD):
It would take another 275 years approximately, before the Islamic world would discover rationalism and the seek to answer its problems through a scientific method instead of religious dogmatic assumptions.
Age of Political Constitutionalism/Industrial Revolution 1800s (2379 AD):
It would be another 375 years, approximately, before constitutional politics would arrive in the Islamic world and the divine right of the despots to rule would end.
It would be a similar time frame, when the Islamic world develops industrially from its feudal-tribal-clan based cultural society.
Post 1945 (2524 AD):
It would take another 520 years before the concepts of democracy, human rights, political tolerance, end of gender based discrimination, in both political, and cultural sense occurs within the Islamic world.
Presently, the Muslim world is in its Dark Age, which started about a 1000 years ago. It exists under a feudal-political system of government; and still suffers from a serfdom of a political nature. Muslim scholarly exposure to the teachings of the West and the attendence of Muslims in western universities is creating a ``critical re-think`` within Islam as Islam is being forced to reconcile with a humanistic philosophy and the technologically superior nature of Europe and the Islamic denials of technology and humanism are creating a robust debate within Islam itself.
It would be another 50 to 70 years, (according to the Islamic calender years 1475-1495) before an actual intellectual awakening takes place within the Muslim world and a political, cultural economic renassiance happens.
Again, this is all pure speculation and means nothing, because the change could be much faster, because the availibility of the information and its spread is much more efficient in the present day and age.
Still is interesting to ``see`` how the Muslim/Islamic world ``might progress`` in the future!
Ciao
Lets speculate and see when, would it be possible to expect the developments. Lets compare the present Islamic year 1425, with the Christian calender year 1425 and see, how long would it take for Islam to develop to the point, where the western world is today, by using a few mile stones in European history.
Reformation 1517 (2096 AD):
It would take another 92 years for a movement based on reforming Islam to happen, which would seek to question the manner in which Islam is being taught as an organized religion.
Thirty Years War 1618 (2197 AD):
It would take another 192 years before there is a political-religious civil/transnational war in Islam deciding the issues of the role of religion in politics and the role of politics to justify a theocratic form of government.
Treaty of Westphaila 1648 (2227 AD):
It would take another 223 years before the Muslim world would reject a theocratic form of government and favor a secular government. This would be the result of the futility of religious wars within Islam and their failure to settle the outstanding issues of the Muslim world. It would also be a result of the political disgust at religion and the general cynicism of the people about the worth of religion in political affairs.
The Age of Reason/Enlightenment 1700s (2279 AD):
It would take another 275 years approximately, before the Islamic world would discover rationalism and the seek to answer its problems through a scientific method instead of religious dogmatic assumptions.
Age of Political Constitutionalism/Industrial Revolution 1800s (2379 AD):
It would be another 375 years, approximately, before constitutional politics would arrive in the Islamic world and the divine right of the despots to rule would end.
It would be a similar time frame, when the Islamic world develops industrially from its feudal-tribal-clan based cultural society.
Post 1945 (2524 AD):
It would take another 520 years before the concepts of democracy, human rights, political tolerance, end of gender based discrimination, in both political, and cultural sense occurs within the Islamic world.
Presently, the Muslim world is in its Dark Age, which started about a 1000 years ago. It exists under a feudal-political system of government; and still suffers from a serfdom of a political nature. Muslim scholarly exposure to the teachings of the West and the attendence of Muslims in western universities is creating a ``critical re-think`` within Islam as Islam is being forced to reconcile with a humanistic philosophy and the technologically superior nature of Europe and the Islamic denials of technology and humanism are creating a robust debate within Islam itself.
It would be another 50 to 70 years, (according to the Islamic calender years 1475-1495) before an actual intellectual awakening takes place within the Muslim world and a political, cultural economic renassiance happens.
Again, this is all pure speculation and means nothing, because the change could be much faster, because the availibility of the information and its spread is much more efficient in the present day and age.
Still is interesting to ``see`` how the Muslim/Islamic world ``might progress`` in the future!
Ciao
#341 Posted by rajsinghi1 on October 2, 2004 7:50:46 am
Farzana Versey
Post#330
Quote:
``Read my full quote. My main grouse was that he was being hypocritical because he thought it would sound good. I clearly mention that his wife was sitting right there beside him wearing a sleeveless kameez, so what was this nonsense about not showing nails? I am amazed to read one sensible interactor say that I want to put Muslim women in a straitjacket…please…this young woman or anyone can wear what they want, just as I can, but her father should have seen the stupidity of how he came across…this is what people do to become part of the mainstream.``
Going by the above quote, it is not clear why it is felt that he was being hypocritical, and what he said sounded like stupidity.
Look at it this way. Someone from 20/30/40s generation telling his/her grandchildren, when she/he married, they had not even seen the photograph of each other let alone having met before getting married. (And that is very true for things did use to happen in that way.)But now, look at us (grandparents), here in front of us our grand children not only first meet but also try to date with each other before saying yes for marriage. We (grandparents and grandchildren) have become more modern now.
Same way, that father on tv is just expressing that how they have moved in life from the days when showing of nails by ladies was not acceptable in their family and now his wife openly wears sleeveless kameez, his daughter appears on tv. That basically means, he and his family moving with the times and nothing else. Why he and his family moving with the times, also being taken as part of mainstream, is taken as nonsense or stupidity?
Post#330
Quote:
``Read my full quote. My main grouse was that he was being hypocritical because he thought it would sound good. I clearly mention that his wife was sitting right there beside him wearing a sleeveless kameez, so what was this nonsense about not showing nails? I am amazed to read one sensible interactor say that I want to put Muslim women in a straitjacket…please…this young woman or anyone can wear what they want, just as I can, but her father should have seen the stupidity of how he came across…this is what people do to become part of the mainstream.``
Going by the above quote, it is not clear why it is felt that he was being hypocritical, and what he said sounded like stupidity.
Look at it this way. Someone from 20/30/40s generation telling his/her grandchildren, when she/he married, they had not even seen the photograph of each other let alone having met before getting married. (And that is very true for things did use to happen in that way.)But now, look at us (grandparents), here in front of us our grand children not only first meet but also try to date with each other before saying yes for marriage. We (grandparents and grandchildren) have become more modern now.
Same way, that father on tv is just expressing that how they have moved in life from the days when showing of nails by ladies was not acceptable in their family and now his wife openly wears sleeveless kameez, his daughter appears on tv. That basically means, he and his family moving with the times and nothing else. Why he and his family moving with the times, also being taken as part of mainstream, is taken as nonsense or stupidity?
#340 Posted by rajsinghi1 on October 2, 2004 7:50:46 am
Dost Mittar
Posts#318, 305
By whom muslim elite was lulled into thinking that there was no issue? Hindus? When did that happen? Was it from 1947 itself? How did that happen? What did hindus do which lulled muslim elite into thinking there was no issue? What is this marxist muslim version that is being referred to?
In post #305 it starts with ``Hindus`` and then suddenly it becomes ``BJP``. Are all hindus BJP?
Quote:
`` Sure your enemy`s enemy is your friend, but I have not read any statements from Bose critical of Hitler even after he left Germany. And I believe he also married a girl from Nazi Germany. ``
And from this we are to CONCLUDE that Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose was fascinated by Hitler?
I try to borrow (?) money from the writer and writer promises to give some. Though I am glad that prospective lender (?) has promised to help me but I am also suspicious as to the motives of the lender (donor), and one day those suspicions get confirmed. I move on to find another donor but I do not criticise the first prospective donor. At least not in public. Now in the world can it be concluded that I was fascinated with the first prospective donor? I sought help, prospective donor offered help, I did not like the terms (motives), I moved on. Where is the fascination in all this on my part for the prospective donor?
Posts#318, 305
By whom muslim elite was lulled into thinking that there was no issue? Hindus? When did that happen? Was it from 1947 itself? How did that happen? What did hindus do which lulled muslim elite into thinking there was no issue? What is this marxist muslim version that is being referred to?
In post #305 it starts with ``Hindus`` and then suddenly it becomes ``BJP``. Are all hindus BJP?
Quote:
`` Sure your enemy`s enemy is your friend, but I have not read any statements from Bose critical of Hitler even after he left Germany. And I believe he also married a girl from Nazi Germany. ``
And from this we are to CONCLUDE that Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose was fascinated by Hitler?
I try to borrow (?) money from the writer and writer promises to give some. Though I am glad that prospective lender (?) has promised to help me but I am also suspicious as to the motives of the lender (donor), and one day those suspicions get confirmed. I move on to find another donor but I do not criticise the first prospective donor. At least not in public. Now in the world can it be concluded that I was fascinated with the first prospective donor? I sought help, prospective donor offered help, I did not like the terms (motives), I moved on. Where is the fascination in all this on my part for the prospective donor?
#339 Posted by rajsinghi1 on October 2, 2004 7:50:46 am
Dost Mittar
Posts#318, 305
By whom muslim elite was lulled into thinking that there was no issue? Hindus? When did that happen? Was it from 1947 itself? How did that happen? What did hindus do which lulled muslim elite into thinking there was no issue? What is this marxist muslim version that is being referred to?
Once we have some answers to these questions, it would be easier to undersand the thought process and the message which writer is trying to convey.
In post #305 it starts with ``Hindus`` and then suddenly it becomes ``BJP``. Are all hindus BJP?
Quote:
`` Sure your enemy`s enemy is your friend, but I have not read any statements from Bose critical of Hitler even after he left Germany. And I believe he also married a girl from Nazi Germany. ``
And from this we are to CONCLUDE that Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose was fascinated by Hitler?
I try to borrow (?) money from the writer and writer promises to give some. Though I am glad that prospective lender (?) has promised to help me but I am also suspicious as to the motives of the lender (donor), and one day those suspicions get confirmed. I move on to find another donor but I do not criticise the first prospective donor. At least not in public. Now in the world can it be concluded that I was fascinated with the first prospective donor? I sought help, prospective donor offered help, I did not like the terms (motives), I moved on. Where is the fascination in all this on my part for the prospective donor?
Posts#318, 305
By whom muslim elite was lulled into thinking that there was no issue? Hindus? When did that happen? Was it from 1947 itself? How did that happen? What did hindus do which lulled muslim elite into thinking there was no issue? What is this marxist muslim version that is being referred to?
Once we have some answers to these questions, it would be easier to undersand the thought process and the message which writer is trying to convey.
In post #305 it starts with ``Hindus`` and then suddenly it becomes ``BJP``. Are all hindus BJP?
Quote:
`` Sure your enemy`s enemy is your friend, but I have not read any statements from Bose critical of Hitler even after he left Germany. And I believe he also married a girl from Nazi Germany. ``
And from this we are to CONCLUDE that Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose was fascinated by Hitler?
I try to borrow (?) money from the writer and writer promises to give some. Though I am glad that prospective lender (?) has promised to help me but I am also suspicious as to the motives of the lender (donor), and one day those suspicions get confirmed. I move on to find another donor but I do not criticise the first prospective donor. At least not in public. Now in the world can it be concluded that I was fascinated with the first prospective donor? I sought help, prospective donor offered help, I did not like the terms (motives), I moved on. Where is the fascination in all this on my part for the prospective donor?
#338 Posted by tahmed32 on October 2, 2004 7:50:46 am
harmiau: While I am greatly impressed by your ability to address people by different nicks than the ones they have (for an immature little man like you i realize that is an achievement), I have better things to do than enter into arguments with scum like you. I did not read your post addressed to me (you may find this hard to believe), and advise you to go lick Modi`s rear end.
#337 Posted by hindvi on October 2, 2004 7:50:46 am
Harimou
you have rarely displayed humour in your outrage, but i think there lies some genuine talent here. mullah khuda Bux alhindvi :)
you have rarely displayed humour in your outrage, but i think there lies some genuine talent here. mullah khuda Bux alhindvi :)
#336 Posted by scott on October 2, 2004 7:50:46 am
Duh!
Post 290 is not mine. What`s a Subash Bose?
I had posted commenting that #172 and #252 seemed only worthwhile responses to me (hamid you have been outed hee hee).
Farzana being a minority myself I could relate to the feeling of having your faith belittled. But would it not be better to promote harmony rather than taunting others. A few have rightly commented that media will chase such stories (one woman - 2 hubbies) no matter what faith Gudiya practiced. Should not your target be media sensationlism or will that hamper your writing ;-)
Post 290 is not mine. What`s a Subash Bose?
I had posted commenting that #172 and #252 seemed only worthwhile responses to me (hamid you have been outed hee hee).
Farzana being a minority myself I could relate to the feeling of having your faith belittled. But would it not be better to promote harmony rather than taunting others. A few have rightly commented that media will chase such stories (one woman - 2 hubbies) no matter what faith Gudiya practiced. Should not your target be media sensationlism or will that hamper your writing ;-)
#335 Posted by tenaliramanna on October 2, 2004 7:50:46 am
#317 by vertex
[Or long past atrocities are recited and focused on in temples with inciteful speeches towards Muslims.]
Speeches of Shahi Imam Bukhari are well documented. I`m sure he`s not alone. Muslims
indulging in violence after friday prayers is also well documented.
Temples, on the other hand are never used for discussions on/against other communities. I have been to many temples....never once has this happened. If you have a past experience please share. Ofcourse, if you suggest that Togadia is similar to a priest, then you are taking a leap of logic that is preposterous to say the least.
I also visit churches and once sat in a prayer meeting where the Padre was rathre disturbing with his anti Hindu comments(yes I i know rather...but I liked the rhyme). I never went to that church afterwards. But one thing that I couldn`t help but notice is that this church was catering to a lower class/caste convert population unlike the other churches I had visited before. Perhaps that was the reason.......or may be not.
The solution to Mullah control is the Singapore / Turkey model. But does the Indian govt have the balls to do it ??? I doubt !!!
Every time I read this piece, it cracks me up. How tragically funny can these people get ??
Beatrice Lamb, the well-known British author, has rightly observed, “Indeed, one characteristic that all Hindus claim for Hinduism is its all-embracing tolerance, its ability to encompass every path, finding a niche for each in the vast scheme of things. From the point of view of certain of the minority religions, this is precisely the difficulty. Any religion that does not want to be encompassed, embraced and indeed absorbed and perhaps ultimately transformed by Hinduism finds Hindu tolerance somewhat too demanding since it is conditioned upon a basic acceptance of a Hindu view of life and Hinduism’s peculiar genius for absorption.”
Why is FV running away from pointed questions about the sensitive H-M issue ??
FV, are you listening ??? Or you prefer living in a land where you are hauled up because you are a sunni/shia/ahmedi/agakhani etc etc ???
When you realise and reconcile to the fact that you are a muslim by religion and Hindu by culture/roots, you will have peace. Until then, the grass looks greener on the other side.
Being more catholic than pope doesn`t necessarily mean you love Jesus more.......it may also mean you hate who you were. Ever thought along these lines ???
TR:
I`d suggest that there be a course - say a trimester - in every college of India at the bachelors level for all courses.......perhaps in the final year, where appreciation of religion is taught. Let not there be no text books for this course (JNU wallahs will screw these up)......let there be some visiting professors and let there be some open discussions.
I do not know if this is a good idea.........it can be piloted / observed / measured. If it`s successful, then it should be spread.......
[Or long past atrocities are recited and focused on in temples with inciteful speeches towards Muslims.]
Speeches of Shahi Imam Bukhari are well documented. I`m sure he`s not alone. Muslims
indulging in violence after friday prayers is also well documented.
Temples, on the other hand are never used for discussions on/against other communities. I have been to many temples....never once has this happened. If you have a past experience please share. Ofcourse, if you suggest that Togadia is similar to a priest, then you are taking a leap of logic that is preposterous to say the least.
I also visit churches and once sat in a prayer meeting where the Padre was rathre disturbing with his anti Hindu comments(yes I i know rather...but I liked the rhyme). I never went to that church afterwards. But one thing that I couldn`t help but notice is that this church was catering to a lower class/caste convert population unlike the other churches I had visited before. Perhaps that was the reason.......or may be not.
The solution to Mullah control is the Singapore / Turkey model. But does the Indian govt have the balls to do it ??? I doubt !!!
Every time I read this piece, it cracks me up. How tragically funny can these people get ??
Beatrice Lamb, the well-known British author, has rightly observed, “Indeed, one characteristic that all Hindus claim for Hinduism is its all-embracing tolerance, its ability to encompass every path, finding a niche for each in the vast scheme of things. From the point of view of certain of the minority religions, this is precisely the difficulty. Any religion that does not want to be encompassed, embraced and indeed absorbed and perhaps ultimately transformed by Hinduism finds Hindu tolerance somewhat too demanding since it is conditioned upon a basic acceptance of a Hindu view of life and Hinduism’s peculiar genius for absorption.”
Why is FV running away from pointed questions about the sensitive H-M issue ??
FV, are you listening ??? Or you prefer living in a land where you are hauled up because you are a sunni/shia/ahmedi/agakhani etc etc ???
When you realise and reconcile to the fact that you are a muslim by religion and Hindu by culture/roots, you will have peace. Until then, the grass looks greener on the other side.
Being more catholic than pope doesn`t necessarily mean you love Jesus more.......it may also mean you hate who you were. Ever thought along these lines ???
TR:
I`d suggest that there be a course - say a trimester - in every college of India at the bachelors level for all courses.......perhaps in the final year, where appreciation of religion is taught. Let not there be no text books for this course (JNU wallahs will screw these up)......let there be some visiting professors and let there be some open discussions.
I do not know if this is a good idea.........it can be piloted / observed / measured. If it`s successful, then it should be spread.......
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