The Commonality of ’Fundamentalisms’

It is people like Beena Sarwar who are the face of bigotry !

What people like Beena try to do is to create equivalancies to try and cover up
hatred.

Beena has nothing to say about the institutionalized bigotry that exists in
the ``Land of the pure``.

Beena is just one more hypocrite pretending to be concerned.

It would seem, Indians or well wishers of India, specially Hindus, in their enthusiasm to criticise India - in the name of so called truth - at times just go overboard and they do not realise that they do no service to their own cause or to the cause they claim to profess. A few can be found on Chowk too who in their attempt to make/show things equal equal just keep on going in their enthuasism and in the process, may alienate some of those who may have been fence sitters. I have seen quite a many interactors (hindus) who come on various boards and hold moderate views but over the period of time, start having leanings towards bajrangis or hindus. Or at least, start asking questions on allegations raised/made against them. Guess about time to quote an exchange between two non muslims Indians, on the subject. Though it is bit lengthy but those who really want to understand the undercurrents or things going in Bajrangi minds, and their arguements, may find someting informative and perhaps, interesting too.

Exchange is between Mr Spock (that is his nick at another forum) and Ombudsman. Mr Spock is expressing the arguements from Bajrangi side and Ombudsman is opposing it. Words which are in italics, to that other participant is responding to. It started after new census in India came out...

Words of Spock from an ongoing exchange:




I have heard many a secular protagonist claim that illiterate and poor Muslims are the gullible victims that take to Islamist terrorist ideals. Education and empowerment of disenfranchised Muslims would take the fangs out of Islamism.



There was this documentary on educated and economically comfortable second and third generation Muslims in France, which simply smashes this theory to smithereens.





Words of Ombudsman:

Bajrangi mind set if not stopped will do much more harm to the Hindus

Words of Mr Spock




To stop something, you must first know what causes that thing.



Otherwise you`ll simply be busy plugging leaks in the pipe instead of shutting off the faucet.



We have to figure out as to WHY and HOW a culture that has come up with such magnificent dictums like ``Ayam Nija Paroveti Gananam Laghuchetasam | Udara Charitanam Tu Vasudha Eva Kutumbakum ||`` can spawn such radicalism as the Bajrangi phenomenon.



What went wrong between 800 CE and 1948 CE ?



Ombudsman`s reply to the above post/words of Mr Spock

`` I understand what you are saying. A medical doctor needs to find the cause before he can treat it. But after being in the business for sometime, he does not need to investigate or look for a cause every time he sees a similar ailment. At times a diseased mind can start doing things that are harmful to himself and others around him. The only solution is to stop him immediately and not let him harm others.

Frankly, all jihadis, terrorists and fundamentalists everywhere try to justify their acts by hiding behind this `what is the cause` thing. It is time the civilized world stopped listening to such excuses. What happened in Beslan last week where even little children were not spared, some writers are still talking in terms of the ‘cause’ of this action. Even if their cause was justified, their action was not. The world needs to firmly separate the two. An act against innocent civilians is against the law, irrespective of how the forefathers of one community had treated the other in the past. We have to be aware of historic facts and make laws to deal with the present situation. No sena, or dal, or lashkar should be allowed to dictate to others in the name of historic facts or religious faith. Let the law of the land take care of it, and if the law is not good enough, work to change it. ``

Exchange continues...

The BIG difference between potential fundamentalism in India and Pakistan is simply that:-

In India, there is no one single dominating community or religion or gender or mind-bender or apparel in India. (There is an obvious argument to my statement, that India is dominated by Hindus. In pure number terms, that is correct. But reality on the ground is that the variety of ``de-centralised`` Hindus present and available in India on a linguistic, regional, caste and community basis, not to mention gotra, sects and newer religions linked to Hinduism by default, makes dominance by any one group absolutely impossible.)

IMHO, Pakistan seems to be dominated by Urdu speaking cow belt and Punjabi Muslim males wearing uniforms. (I would invite rational feedback from Pakistanis on this one.)

We need to, therefore, stop comparing Pakistani fundoos with Indian fundoos.

We can and do always vote out Indian fundoos. Pakistani fundoos, however, come with their own super-glue and get stuck to whosoever is dominant for the era.