Is Islam Anti-Semitic?

mohar 11

however your insight, and expansive over generalization about the ``other`` side in such matters does not seem to be any different than the people you are talking about .

Mohar11

We can`t really be sure about the `majority.` Majority of Muslims may or not be followers of Islam.

However the `majority among the Muslims who speak up` does meet your description. And they are the only people who do and should count.

Mohar11

We can`t really be sure about the `majority.` Majority of Muslims may or not be followers of Islam.

However the `majority among the Muslims who speak up` does meet your description. And they are the only people who do and should count.

#35 by Ralph
//...Majority of Muslims may or not be followers of Islam...//

I think you may have to reconsider this statement. To suggest that Majority of muslims may NOT be followers of Islam - could be considered almost bordering on blasphemy.

Regarding ``majority among the Muslims who speak up`` - well, I am not sure we should be doing such hair-splitting at this point of time.

#33 by nina7
//...expansive over generalization about the ``other`` side...//

May be I am over-generalizing. But until I see some signs of alternative voices strong enough and loud enough and in large numbers .... trying to beat a separate/moderate path for vast multitudes for muslims .... trying to lead them out the current darkness of extreme orthodoxy .... I am inclined to stick with the generalization.

Until such time when an enlightened leadership emerges to reform islam and muslims, it would be a mistake to accord benefit of doubt to folks who have historically, consistently accepted and practiced orthodoxy, isolationism and exteremist ideologies bordering on fascism. They have either actively participated in propagating such extremism around the world ... or have condoned such practices under all sorts excuses.

Time for any further excuses has run out. Time to reform is ... now!!!

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Hmmmmm...Mordant Muslim wasting his time with a bunch of pakistan-obsessed lunatics. ha! ha!

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#41
//...jews are less than 15 million in world population in 3000 yr history. why ?
why they don`t grow ? It is beyond my understanding...//

Well - may be because jews don`t breed like rabbits ...... May be because they don`t go around ``harvesting`` souls ..... May be they don`t have delusions about taking over the world and making everybody else a dhimmi.

May be they choose quality over quantity.

``Majority of muslims in arab and wannabe-arab countries(like pakistan) believe Islam is the only way. They hate kafirs. They have been yearning for the day when the mythical past glory will come back and islam will lord over everybody else in the world. Their fascist fantasies are no secret at all.``

That`s a broad assumption to make, mohar. It would take a whole article to respond to adequately. Though I can say this. The problem with that assumption is that it generalizes over a 1400 year span. A large emphasis that no sociologist nor ethnographer would sift through. Furthermore, your description would infer that all Muslims adhere to a homogeneous form of Islam. Not only is that false but it completely misses the point and jejunely believes that every divergent sect in Islam carries out the same teleological aspiration. I find that hard to swallow.

--Ibn

Mohar: The problem with your idea that Islam is defined by what its practitioners believe is that your opinion of Islam is relative to the time ur analyzing it. If you were looking at spain 500 years ago what inferences would u make on Islam? Would they be diametrically opposed to your current posts?

Lets face it, the Quran and the Torah are not the deepest books ever written. Take the good, leave the bad and move on... It is useless to warp ur logic to make the quran and the hadis out to be some sort of magnificent examples of free thinking righteousness and wisdom. They may have been righteous and wise for the simple people they were revealed to but the WISER muslims need to stop defending every ``questionable`` thing contained in them.

GROW UP, be a man or a woman and admit to urself that these are just books, letters on pages and they are NOT perfect. Stop wasting ur time defending these books like u wrote them. And stop letting ur fear of hell cloud the truth within.

That being said I know too many educated muslims who believe that whenever they sneeze its because of the jews. And I also know too many similarities between Israel and hitlers germany. The problem here is not religion or polytricks, Its that people love to blindly follow the religion or political ideas of their mommies and daddies.

Of course most of you will need probably 14,000 more lifetimes before you actually abondon these silly azz systems and start thinking for yourselves.

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//....That`s a broad assumption to make...//

May be. But at this point, I willing to take that risk. May be that`s what it needs to force people like you to move your collective lazy-a$$es and do some reform from inside and do some critical thinking ...... instead of crying foul everytime someone gave you a whiff of the mess that`s festering under the carpet for so long. This is something you folks should have done by yourselves anyaway .... years ago.

Painted with the broad brush - you would have then no place to hide - no more excuses to give .... may be that will give you guys a kickstart to get going to clean up the mess.

So the over-generalization may not be a bad thing after all, at least in this case.

#44
//...Would they be diametrically opposed to your current posts? ..//

Sure. From what I have read in Chowk - Islam in Spain was moderate and progressive. If that is true and if we consider Spain in isolation ( because during the same period of time, islam as practiced elsewhere probably was not that progressive) then of course, Islam will come out in a different light.

I mean - this is a no-brainer. This is true for other religions too. There were periods when christianity was full of sh!t - inquistions, pogroms, violent campaigns to convert people and what not. ..... But today it`s vastly different. The difference is entirely because of the way the christians practiced their beliefs then and they way they practice it now.

Mohar: Im trying hard to suppress my arrogance here but Im shocked that these dudes havent destroyed your arguments yet.

Christianity is infact theologically more exclusive then islam and has been responsible for far more destruction/death etc...

I am quite shocked at how DIFFICULT it is for a lot of you to argue against fundamentalist Islam. This should be a very quick very easy debate but fools cant stop muddying up the topic.