US Elections Concern for India

So in other words Pakistanis are fighting this war on terra for nothing. What other options this despot has to offer to Pakistan other than sucking more upto Americans. I think if Bush wins this election and war on terra goes on, which it will, then in next 5 years I see massive Paksitani expulsion from Arab states. I think Pakistanis will be attacked and descriminated and forced to leave. Palestinians still haven`t forgotten how NaPak army committed their masacare in Jordan in 1969. Palestinians, generally, in executive position in Arab companies deliberately make their Paksitani counterparts` lives miserable, forcing them to leave for Canada or Austrailia to drive taxis and run dollar stores.

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The massive expulsion of Pakistani workforce from Arab states (as it was actually done during first Gulf War - its not my imagination) coupled with civil war in two provinces will eventually drive this country to financial bankruptcy (we have already been made bankrupt morally, thank you very much)and that is the reason why Pakistanis are in dire need of a representative government who will look after their short term as well as long term interests and not those of their masters.

Well in post cold war era trend is “economy is driving the politics”. No matter who win the Oval office, if outsourcing is in American interest they will keep doing it.

#1 by Urstruly Well for Pakistan, Gulf boom is over long time ago especially First Gulf War was the end of the era. Petro $$ is not a major player for Pakistani economy anymore. So expulsion is not going to make any difference for Pakistan. Besides, traditionally mostly Arab states are more close to India (After all best place for them to get young brides). Besides new trend in Gulf is “Arabanization” which is going to affect all expatriates. So in this changing scenario Arab States are losing there charm for Pakistan, we will be better-off with a pro war US president.

I believe it is true that the interests of India`s workers and the America`s workers, part of whom are the Indians in Ameican workforce are at loggerheads.

I hope the Indians who have taken US citizenship are not the fifth column in America. As US citizens it is there bounden duty to work for the betterment of American worker and do their best to help India at their OWN cost rather than at the cosst of Americans.

Importance of Kerry is not to be judged in the narrow and anti-nationalistic framework of the new citizens` new loyalties that must overrule their previous citizenships.

HOPEFULLY, THERE WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE BALANCING OF THE PROPRIETIES.

#1,2;urstruly:
Yes, you - Pakistanis - do have to become democratic and truly subscribe to the principles of democracy. This necessarily requires retraction of the anti-minority policies of Pakistan. You see, unless you respect ALL people of a nation you can not expect to have leaders who would work for you!

Dawood Mamoon,

A first generation Indian-American is no doubt mostly Indian at heart. So he/she may harbor anti-Pakistan sentiments given Pakistan and India`s 53 tension-filled years as neighbors recursively regurgitating anger and distrust for each other over Kashmir plus the 3 wars they fought for the same reason. The first generation is thus likely to be a democrat cheer gang as for sure Kerry, like Clinton, would get up Pakistan`s nose over a myriad of issues ranging from human rights, child labor, terrorism, and development of nukes.

The second generation Indian-American are more insulated to this variety of distrust for Pakistan. But their focus is of a varying nature. For them, Pakistan is another third-world agricultural economy located in the Indian Subcontinent. They have not lived through the emotional tussle between two neighbors resulting in frequent and fervent uprooted agitation. These Yankees are more likely to latch onto the hinges of local reforms and betterment.

Historically, when democrats assume leadership of the US they tend to foremost re-engineer domestic issues and ceterus peribus reduce defence spending to concentrate on industrialization. Where republicans concentrate on developing military might foremost. Bill Clinton stayed in office for the second term because eventhough he had availed a serious charge of lying to the American people (a bigger crime than his extra-marital affair), his main focus was the American economy which prospered. Hence he got elected again for the second term after this incident. People had more money in their coffers and they were overall pleased with Clinton.

Given this largely justified background, a second generation American would no doubt forgo war and mayhem in some unknown land (not to mention the American lives lost as a result) at the expense of the prosperity and betterment of the Joes, Dicks, and Harrys living next door.

Both generations are likely to vote for Kerry but in a differing spirit, ideology, and intention than their folks before their time.

Peace!

Sahib

Neither of your responses seems to have anything to do with India`s interest or the Democrats. Kahin pay nigahen, kahin pay nishaana ?

Well in post cold war era trend is “economy is driving the politics”. No matter who win the Oval office, if outsourcing is in American interest they will keep doing it.

#1 by Urstruly
Well for Pakistan, Gulf boom is over long time ago especially First Gulf War was the end of the era. Petro $$ is not a major player for Pakistani economy anymore. So expulsion is not going to make any difference for Pakistan. Besides, traditionally mostly Arab states are more close to India (After all best place for them to get young brides). Besides new trend in Gulf is “Arabanization” which is going to affect all expatriates. So in this changing scenario Arab States are losing there charm for Pakistan, we will be better-off with a pro war US president.

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Very superficial analysis. I would urge you to re-examine your assumptions and ponder over the following questions:

- Who did Indian-Americans vote for last elections? Is it true that they vote democrat? Do they even vote as a block? Are they even concerned about India-Pakistan issues?

- In what substantial way would US policy towards Pakistan change if Kerry comes into power?

- What are Kerry`s actually stated plans to curb ``outsourcing``?

- Is it true that Indian governments have had poor relationships with Republican adminstrations? The only conflict I remember is the Indira Gandhi-Nixon conflict. What do you think of Regan administration policies towards India (contrasted with Carter administration). Rather democratic administrations have pressed India hard on non-proliferation issues.

Maybe you should read ``Estranged Democracies`` (Dennis Kux).

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Hogwash... For every ten jobs that is lost, due to disruptive business realities, automation, labo market corrections, etc, 1 might go to India. But all 10 think their jobs have gone offshore. Kerry will do nothing to stop the tide of outsourcing. Shareholders want returns and this is one way to improve bottom line and top line revs. All election year sloganeering. India Inc. has nothing to worry about.

The bigger risk is establishing an industry in India as an engine for growth which will be only around for 5-10 yrs (if that long). Jobs will move form one place to the next....what you do in the interim is what is important.

sardarji

``for ex- there was a strong anti Japanese sentiment. Now Japns have opened factories in USA. ``

this has more to do with increase in us-labor productivity growth vis-a-vis japanese labor, and steel, anti-japanese sentiment notwithstanding

gung-ho, that was a fun movie.

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Imran

The Gulf boom of 80s may be over but the foreign exchange remittances that expatriates send back to home from major Arab countries is still way too large than it is sent from non-Arab countries. Unfortunately despite Pakistan`s efforts to control what Western powers call ``terrorism`` the immigration to Western countries is declining sharply. The illegal immigration, or human smuggling which accounted for the major contribution towards the F.Exchange is declining sharply since Western countries are closing their doors for fear of terror. In the year 2003-04 the FE remittance sent by expatriates have been US$ 3.87 billions. A breakdown of this amount is self evident how much we depend on Arab countries:

Remittances from following major countries only in the month of June 2004 have been:

USA, $125.02 million

UAE, $51.56 million

Saudi Arabia, $49.69 million

UK, $33.98 million

Kuwait $17.04 million

Bahrain $6.67 million

Arab countries are our major clientel and it cannot be sacrificed for unreliable (puting it mildly, actually enemy) Western countries.

Source:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_16-7-2004_pg5_3

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