US Elections Concern for India

So in other words Pakistanis are fighting this war on terra for nothing. What other options this despot has to offer to Pakistan other than sucking more upto Americans. I think if Bush wins this election and war on terra goes on, which it will, then in next 5 years I see massive Paksitani expulsion from Arab states. I think Pakistanis will be attacked and descriminated and forced to leave. Palestinians still haven`t forgotten how NaPak army committed their masacare in Jordan in 1969. Palestinians, generally, in executive position in Arab companies deliberately make their Paksitani counterparts` lives miserable, forcing them to leave for Canada or Austrailia to drive taxis and run dollar stores.

cntd from #1

The massive expulsion of Pakistani workforce from Arab states (as it was actually done during first Gulf War - its not my imagination) coupled with civil war in two provinces will eventually drive this country to financial bankruptcy (we have already been made bankrupt morally, thank you very much)and that is the reason why Pakistanis are in dire need of a representative government who will look after their short term as well as long term interests and not those of their masters.

Well in post cold war era trend is “economy is driving the politics”. No matter who win the Oval office, if outsourcing is in American interest they will keep doing it.

#1 by Urstruly Well for Pakistan, Gulf boom is over long time ago especially First Gulf War was the end of the era. Petro $$ is not a major player for Pakistani economy anymore. So expulsion is not going to make any difference for Pakistan. Besides, traditionally mostly Arab states are more close to India (After all best place for them to get young brides). Besides new trend in Gulf is “Arabanization” which is going to affect all expatriates. So in this changing scenario Arab States are losing there charm for Pakistan, we will be better-off with a pro war US president.

I believe it is true that the interests of India`s workers and the America`s workers, part of whom are the Indians in Ameican workforce are at loggerheads.

I hope the Indians who have taken US citizenship are not the fifth column in America. As US citizens it is there bounden duty to work for the betterment of American worker and do their best to help India at their OWN cost rather than at the cosst of Americans.

Importance of Kerry is not to be judged in the narrow and anti-nationalistic framework of the new citizens` new loyalties that must overrule their previous citizenships.

HOPEFULLY, THERE WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE BALANCING OF THE PROPRIETIES.

#1,2;urstruly:
Yes, you - Pakistanis - do have to become democratic and truly subscribe to the principles of democracy. This necessarily requires retraction of the anti-minority policies of Pakistan. You see, unless you respect ALL people of a nation you can not expect to have leaders who would work for you!

Dawood Mamoon,

A first generation Indian-American is no doubt mostly Indian at heart. So he/she may harbor anti-Pakistan sentiments given Pakistan and India`s 53 tension-filled years as neighbors recursively regurgitating anger and distrust for each other over Kashmir plus the 3 wars they fought for the same reason. The first generation is thus likely to be a democrat cheer gang as for sure Kerry, like Clinton, would get up Pakistan`s nose over a myriad of issues ranging from human rights, child labor, terrorism, and development of nukes.

The second generation Indian-American are more insulated to this variety of distrust for Pakistan. But their focus is of a varying nature. For them, Pakistan is another third-world agricultural economy located in the Indian Subcontinent. They have not lived through the emotional tussle between two neighbors resulting in frequent and fervent uprooted agitation. These Yankees are more likely to latch onto the hinges of local reforms and betterment.

Historically, when democrats assume leadership of the US they tend to foremost re-engineer domestic issues and ceterus peribus reduce defence spending to concentrate on industrialization. Where republicans concentrate on developing military might foremost. Bill Clinton stayed in office for the second term because eventhough he had availed a serious charge of lying to the American people (a bigger crime than his extra-marital affair), his main focus was the American economy which prospered. Hence he got elected again for the second term after this incident. People had more money in their coffers and they were overall pleased with Clinton.

Given this largely justified background, a second generation American would no doubt forgo war and mayhem in some unknown land (not to mention the American lives lost as a result) at the expense of the prosperity and betterment of the Joes, Dicks, and Harrys living next door.

Both generations are likely to vote for Kerry but in a differing spirit, ideology, and intention than their folks before their time.

Peace!

Sahib

Neither of your responses seems to have anything to do with India`s interest or the Democrats. Kahin pay nigahen, kahin pay nishaana ?

Well in post cold war era trend is “economy is driving the politics”. No matter who win the Oval office, if outsourcing is in American interest they will keep doing it.

#1 by Urstruly
Well for Pakistan, Gulf boom is over long time ago especially First Gulf War was the end of the era. Petro $$ is not a major player for Pakistani economy anymore. So expulsion is not going to make any difference for Pakistan. Besides, traditionally mostly Arab states are more close to India (After all best place for them to get young brides). Besides new trend in Gulf is “Arabanization” which is going to affect all expatriates. So in this changing scenario Arab States are losing there charm for Pakistan, we will be better-off with a pro war US president.

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Very superficial analysis. I would urge you to re-examine your assumptions and ponder over the following questions:

- Who did Indian-Americans vote for last elections? Is it true that they vote democrat? Do they even vote as a block? Are they even concerned about India-Pakistan issues?

- In what substantial way would US policy towards Pakistan change if Kerry comes into power?

- What are Kerry`s actually stated plans to curb ``outsourcing``?

- Is it true that Indian governments have had poor relationships with Republican adminstrations? The only conflict I remember is the Indira Gandhi-Nixon conflict. What do you think of Regan administration policies towards India (contrasted with Carter administration). Rather democratic administrations have pressed India hard on non-proliferation issues.

Maybe you should read ``Estranged Democracies`` (Dennis Kux).

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Hogwash... For every ten jobs that is lost, due to disruptive business realities, automation, labo market corrections, etc, 1 might go to India. But all 10 think their jobs have gone offshore. Kerry will do nothing to stop the tide of outsourcing. Shareholders want returns and this is one way to improve bottom line and top line revs. All election year sloganeering. India Inc. has nothing to worry about.

The bigger risk is establishing an industry in India as an engine for growth which will be only around for 5-10 yrs (if that long). Jobs will move form one place to the next....what you do in the interim is what is important.

sardarji

``for ex- there was a strong anti Japanese sentiment. Now Japns have opened factories in USA. ``

this has more to do with increase in us-labor productivity growth vis-a-vis japanese labor, and steel, anti-japanese sentiment notwithstanding

gung-ho, that was a fun movie.

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Imran

The Gulf boom of 80s may be over but the foreign exchange remittances that expatriates send back to home from major Arab countries is still way too large than it is sent from non-Arab countries. Unfortunately despite Pakistan`s efforts to control what Western powers call ``terrorism`` the immigration to Western countries is declining sharply. The illegal immigration, or human smuggling which accounted for the major contribution towards the F.Exchange is declining sharply since Western countries are closing their doors for fear of terror. In the year 2003-04 the FE remittance sent by expatriates have been US$ 3.87 billions. A breakdown of this amount is self evident how much we depend on Arab countries:

Remittances from following major countries only in the month of June 2004 have been:

USA, $125.02 million

UAE, $51.56 million

Saudi Arabia, $49.69 million

UK, $33.98 million

Kuwait $17.04 million

Bahrain $6.67 million

Arab countries are our major clientel and it cannot be sacrificed for unreliable (puting it mildly, actually enemy) Western countries.

Source:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_16-7-2004_pg5_3

Inquirer

Quadianis are non-Muslims and they will remain so even if, God forbids, Pakistan turns into Somalia.

Ref nikki7777 #13

As a fellow Soth Indian, I do expect you to display a little bit more discernment when reading the business news.

[India, China challenging US economic supremacy]

Last time I checked, the US was still ways ahead of China and India in per capita income. Like about 30 times better than China`s and 60 times better than India`s.

[The study said FDI flows to China were much higher at $53.5 billion because of the capital-intensive nature of investment, compared to $4.3 billion for India that is mainly in skill-intensive areas, concentrated in IT services.]

Enough said about the attractiveness of India for FDI vis-a-vis China.

By the way, GE Capital is trying to sell its call center business in India because the costs are too high and they are planning on moving to China. So much for India`s dominance in IT Enabled Services. Or your English skills.

re: re: Urstruly # 1

A correction.

Black September, in which the Palestinians were kicked out of Jordan was in 1970 and not 1969.

Ciao

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Mr. Mamoon:
Your analysis is too simple. You are mistaking Kerry`s grandstanding for policy. If he wins the election, he is likely to do a flip if not a flop on this one. Even if he doesn`t, he has never talked about banning outsourcing; all he has said is that he will fix some tax loophole which might have some impact at the margin, but the comparative advantage of outsourcing is so huge that it wont make a significant difference. And presuming that the congress goes along and does close such a loophole, some good tax accountants will likely find a way to evade that too.
India faces greater threat on outsourcing from potential competitors, including Pakistan, as costs rise, employee turnover increases and it becomes harder to find people who can speak english with a `proper` accent. America will continue to outsource as long as american companies can make profit doing so.

Nikki7777:
``You seem to ignore the fact that India is the most sought after consumer market in itself with a middle class of 250-300 million with the same purchasing parity power as the entire population of the US.``

Where do you get such ``gems`` from?

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nikki7777

while you are kind of correct in estimating that kanuks will have settle for a lowered standard of living in the future due to falling wages, i dont understand your point of gloating over higher prices. main inflation seems to be coming from higher commodity demand and that affects everyone from a kanukistan to kanyakumari equally. and guess who has commodities (bio-mass in evergreens, uranium for pulvurising neighbors, crude-oil, soyabean, porkbellies and beer are some commodities kanuks can profiteer from given chinee and hindi demand).

Nikki7777#21:
Aap ke munh mein ghee shakkar!
(rough translation: more power to you!)
...but I would still like to know from where you got that gem ``that India is the most sought after consumer market in itself with a middle class of 250-300 million with the same purchasing parity power as the entire population of the US.`` ?

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LONDON -- America`s popularity around the world has taken a beating in recent years, according to a set of coordinated polls conducted in 10 different countries. But the survey also found that despite widespread animosity toward President Bush, huge majorities said they have a good opinion of Americans.

``We like Americans, we don`t like Bush,`` was how Britain`s Guardian newspaper summarized the results of the surveys published Friday.

The polls found that to an overwhelming degree, respondents in most of the countries have a more negative view of the United States now than a few years ago, disapprove of the war in Iraq and dislike Bush. Democratic challenger John Kerry is favored -- often by landslide proportions -- in all but two of the nations.

But even in France, often seen as a bastion of anti-Americanism, 72 percent said they had a favorable view of Americans, compared to 24 percent with an unfavorable opinion, the poll found.

The polls, commissioned by major papers in each country, were conducted in Canada, France, Britain, Spain, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Mexico, Israel and Russia. Not all questions were asked in every country.

On average, 57 percent said they had a worse opinion of the United States than two to three years ago, compared to 20 percent who said they had a higher opinion now. That question was asked each country except Russia.

In eight of the nations, more people said their view of America had worsened than improved. Seventy-four percent of Japanese, 70 percent of French, 67 percent of South Koreans, 64 percent of Canadians and 60 percent of Spaniards said they had a lower opinion of America now than a few years ago.

Only in Israel -- whose prime minister, Ariel Sharon, has won strong backing from Bush -- did more people say their view of the United States had improved than worsened, by a margin of 40 percent to 26 percent.

Americans -- the people, not the government -- can feel well-loved, maybe because foreigners so happily soak up U.S. movies, TV and music and frequent McDonald`s and Starbucks.

Overall, 68 percent of those questioned said they had a favorable opinion of Americans, compared to 23 percent with a negative view.

In nine countries, huge majorities said they had an unfavorable opinion of Bush, whom critics accuse of conducting a unilateralist foreign policy that disregards the views of other nations, even close friends.

People in all 10 countries were asked who they hoped to see win the White House Nov. 2. Kerry was favored in eight of the nations including France, where 72 percent supported him compared to 16 percent for Bush.

In South Korea, it was 68 percent for Kerry and 18 percent for Bush; in Canada, 60 percent to 20 percent; in Spain, 58 percent to 13 percent; 54 percent to 28 percent in Australia and 50 percent to 22 percent in Britain.

On Iraq, 68 percent of people -- majorities in seven out of eight countries -- said the U.S. was wrong to invade, while 25 percent thought war was the right decision.

In an Associated Press poll this fall, a majority surveyed in eight countries said they believed the Iraq war has increased the threat of terrorism. Just over half of respondents in the United States and two-thirds or more of respondents in Australia, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Mexico and Spain said they believed Iraq has increased the terrorist threat, according to the AP-Ipsos polls.

The newspapers involved in the polling published Friday were La Presse in Canada, Le Monde in France, the Guardian in Britain, El Pais in Spain, Asahi Shimbun in Japan, JoongAng Ilbo in South Korea, the Sydney Morning Herald and Melbourne Age in Australia, Reforma in Mexico and the Moscow News in Russia.(AP)

Vote for Amitabh instead!

http://www.badmash.org/dishoom.php

folks don`t worry -- outsourcing is going to stay and actually increase -- Kerry is not anti outsourcing nor he is anti India -- outsourcing is only one of the make shift election `issues` -- not a real issue ...

....the real issue is -- on November 2 -- can Kerry imprint a well deserved boot squarely on the bloody derriers of that Mongoloid Invader from Ding Dong Texas.......


if Kerry can -- without calling Cheney`s daughter a Lesbian -- Kerry can do all the things Georg Jr is doing including Iraq -- including outsourcing his thousand dollar hairdo to Delhi -- in the day time -- and sleeping `tight` with the darling dictator in Islamabad.......at night..

Ref dost-mittar #20

[Nikki7777:
``You seem to ignore the fact that India is the most sought after consumer market in itself with a middle class of 250-300 million with the same purchasing parity power as the entire population of the US.``

Where do you get such ``gems`` from?]

From the 1000+ Wal-Marts in India and the fact that a new Wal-Mart is opening every 80 days in places like Sholapur, Jullundhur, Gorakhpur, Alleppey, Aruppukkottai, Gulbarga, Midnapore, Cuttack, Ranchi, Raipur, Guwahati, Kohima, Imphal, etc. From what I understand, there is talk of a Wal-Mart in Arunachal Pradesh with the front of the building in India and the back in Tibet so that the Chinese suppliers could directly move goods into the store for Indian consumers to buy!

PS. Did I say Wal-Mart? I am sorry; I meant Niemann-Marcus.

nasah:
People of the world should demand to have a say in electing the ``president of the world``;). On second thoughts, the incumbent wasn`t elected even by a majority of americans.

arjun_m#27:
I am not sure to what extent the Chinese, Russians, East Europeans, etc. have gone ahead with building the infrastructure but my point was particularly wrt call centres, perhaps the fastest growing segment. And here India does not have a major advantage except for the low-cost english-speaking, relatively unskilled, labour.
OTOH, the salaries paid to these call centre workers are so high relative to other workers that they can go on expanding for quite some time before they hit the bottlenecks. Here is an example: I know someone in Delhi who has done her B.Com and a short duration course in programming (.net or some such thing). All she can look forward to right now is a job paying only Rs. 4000 per month as a programmer but she also has the option of getting a job with a call centre for a starting salary of Rs. 12000 per month plus free drive to and from work. She can get that job based on her english medium schooling and not any post-secondary education. The only catch is that the job is at night and her parents wont allow her to take that job.

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dost mitter sahib -- if Bush wins I am coming to Canada to live in your civilized Mohalla.....:-)

arjun_m#35:
I agree with your post (even though I dont know what csr stands for!).

nasah:
Does this mean that I should stop praying for Bush`s defeat?;)

America-bashing on the increase in Britain

By Carol Gould

Something remarkable has been happening to me in the past three weeks. Wherever I go, no one launches abuse at me. When I open my mouth to speak, I am received with civility and the occasional ``Have a good one``. I am not attacked or intimidated. Where have I been visiting for the past two and a half weeks? Philadelphia. And where do I live? London.

Here is a scenario from my adopted hometown: a month ago, I was travelling on a double-decker bus. A well-dressed woman boarded with her son, respectable in his school uniform. Ahead of her was an elderly American woman, who said, ``I beg your pardon, I didn`t mean to bang into you.`` This prompted a tirade from the Englishwoman - let`s call her Lady E. ``I rejoice every time I hear of another American soldier dying! You people are destroying the world.``

The American - let`s call her Mrs A - fought back: ``I personally am not destroying the world.`` This only provoked Lady E more, and she screamed into the American`s face: ``I wish every one of you would leave this country and not set foot in it ever again.`` Mrs A began crying. ``Thank you for ruining my trip.`` Lady E lunged at the American and began to shake her. I jumped up and shouted for the driver to stop and for her to leave the woman alone, prompting Lady E to come over and grab me. ``Another...American! You are scum.`` Thankfully, the woman next to me pushed her away. I left the bus. Mrs A sat sobbing.

Did I imagine this? No. Was the Englishwoman crazy? No.

I don`t like what is happening in Britain, and am dismayed at the level at which anti-Americanism has peaked in recent months. Does anyone say ``George Bush`` or ``Donald Rumsfeld`` or ``Dick Cheney`` when they fly into these tirades? No. In fact, the visceral, in-your-face America-hatred goes back long before the days of the Bush regime.

I have lived in Europe for all of my adult life, and from the day I arrived I have been aware not only of an oft-blatant anti-Semitism but also a resentment of Americans among colleagues, teachers, my social circle and neighbours. What is significant about this rage is that it emanates not from the great unwashed but from the educated and intellectual classes.

We all know about the academic boycotts of Israeli scholars. We all know about poor Philip Lader, the former US ambassador, who was reduced to tears on Question Time as David Dimbleby dispassionately watched a studio audience stomping its feet and shouting anti-American epithets two days after 9/11. I cannot conduct business or even take a taxi ride in Britain without a scathing tirade about the scurrilous Yanks.

As far as the Guardian-reading classes are concerned, my hunch is that the relentless America-bashing in the European media, combined with the abundance of criticism of Israel, has created an atmosphere of hostility that makes me fearful for my safety in my beloved adopted country.

....last November, when George Bush visited the UK and London`s mayor, Ken Livingstone, boycotted the state banquet, ordinary folk gathered in Trafalgar Square to burn and stomp on the Stars and Stripes.

I hesitate to blame the media. But I have stopped going to meetings of my trade union, the National Union of Journalists, because I cannot listen to incessant vitriol about the crimes of my native country.

Yes, there is much to worry about in present US policy, but how many American trade unions spend hours devising resolutions to censure their most trusted and valued ally? Friends tell me that the US is one giant fundamentalist-Christian nation of Bible-bashers. Otherwise enlightened colleagues tell me that the US ``threatens the world far more than Bin Laden``.

Where will it all end? I know many expat Americans - including non-Jews - who have received dressing-downs at social and professional gatherings. The standard reprimand contains the list of American misdemeanors: the project for the New American Century taking over the world`s governments; Wolfowitz, Perle and other ``Zionists`` bullying the Bush and Blair governments into war with Iraq; and American Jews running the world`s media, banks and industries.

Here is what I perceive as the explanation: Europe has always been a seething hotbed of anti-Semitism. England, sadly, has the distinction of being the very first country to expel its Jews and initiate the blood libel. The Jews were not allowed back into England until the time of Cromwell, and feel to this day that they worship by the grace of the sovereign.

It is impossible to convey to Americans inside the US, or to American Jews, the open loathing of both groups that dominates daily life outside the US today.

I am aware that many Americans are leaving their homes abroad and returning home after decades in Europe because they can no longer endure the daily abuse. Anti-Americanism is not a result of Abu Ghraib or of a Rumsfeldian pronouncement. It is a disturbing and hurtful form of psychosis that is rapidly eroding the all-important special relationship.

I do not yet fear for my life in St John`s Wood, but it sure is heaven strolling around the artists` studios at the Torpedo factory in Alexandria, Virginia and being greeted as me, not as a ``bloody`` American or an accursed Jew.

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software engineer used to cost 1/5th in India 5 years ago....when our company moved some development work to India 2.5 years ago, they said it is 3 engineers for the price of 1. Now I hear it is about 30% saving considering the productivity, scheduling and other issue.

A friend who owns a IT company with about 70 employees now was very enthusiastic about opening an office in India 3 months ago.....last time I heard he is already frustrated at the pace of work being done to open the account and have basic setup in place....or it may be due to his obession about Chandigarh.

about China...one of our hardware engineering project was moved to China about a year ago.....there have been 3 complete turnovers already....people spend no more 4 months...they hardly start understanding the scope that they leave and jump to anew foreign company....work is literally going at the pace of an ant. This I know very well because as an adminsitrator of one of the engineering file vaults we share with the China group, I can monitor the progress of some of the work...very disappointing. If we worked that way our bosses would have killed us.

problem is the work ethic and governing system....as long US can maintain these two and not get distrupted by the terrorist loonies, it would be OK.

Above all, if some of the China or India is doing better it is not due to something they have created on their own from scratch....it is because these educated people(like most of us on chowk) have learned how to immitate the Western culture.....if India and China tomorrow do become super industrial powers it would be a case of success for West, not a matter of defeat. Industrialized China and India will look like West. So what is the big deal if they do win?:) so basically west will spread or at the worst move to China and India.:)

dullabhatti:
``Above all, if some of the China or India is doing better it is not due to something they have created on their own from scratch....it is because these educated people(like most of us on chowk) have learned how to immitate the Western culture.....if India and China tomorrow do become super industrial powers it would be a case of success for West, not a matter of defeat. Industrialized China and India will look like West.``

You are only partly right. The West`s great advantage is its worship of science and scientific thinking. And if China, India (and others) can also imitate that thinking, there is no reason why they too cannot lead in technological development. As you no doubt know, most of the revolution in consumer electronics has been led in recent decades by the Japanese. It is true that they have generally done so by purchasing rights to American patents and intellectual properties, but this is increasingly going to be the case in a globalised economy. India too is not far behind in this. The newspaper reports show that the Indian subsidiaries of GE and other multinationals are registering a high number of new patents with the US. And the Indian pharmeuctical companies, yesterday`s thieves, are now entering into partnerships with foreign multinational for the development of tomorrow`s medicines.
Remember, historically, Indians and, particularly, the Chinese were not behind the western world in technology and invention. And IF the scientific temper returns to these countries there is no reason why they cannot at some future time again lead the world in invention and innovation.

DM ji..you are correct...I will add that it is also about general attitude towards life..materialistic and instant gartification...the things we accuse west of....once China and India progress to the level of west now, their culture will be like West`s...we want to have it both ways...we think we can progress economically and have our daughters marry our choice of man, wives be very obedient, sons agayakaari at the same time....you know the good stuff that west lacks.

Ref dost-mittar #41

[....The newspaper reports show that the Indian subsidiaries of GE and other multinationals are registering a high number of new patents with the US. And the Indian pharmeuctical companies, yesterday`s thieves, are now entering into partnerships with foreign multinational for the development of tomorrow`s medicines.]

I think we should be a bit more careful before we go overboard about patents. No less a company than IBM has applied for and has been granted a patent on an algorithm for the prioritized use of airplane lavatories so that First Class passengers do not have to wait behind the Cattle Class. Fortunately, IBM has decided not to enforce this patent or demand royalties.

Please visit http://www.patent.freeserve.co.uk/. There are similar sites elsewhere.

[Remember, historically, Indians and, particularly, the Chinese were not behind the western world in technology and invention. And IF the scientific temper returns to these countries there is no reason why they cannot at some future time again lead the world in invention and innovation.]

Ah, you still give Indians and Chinese more credit than due. Did anyone from the Land of the Kamasutra (as they ALWAYS say, the book was indeed better than the movie!) ever think of a patent such as this one?

[UK Patent Application No. GB2328762. An adults` version of the chocolate Advent calendar. It has 25 doors for each day leading up to Christmas. When opened, each door reveals a different condom, with different colours, flavours and styles for each day in December. Behind each door there is a picture of a new sexual position to try for the day. On Christmas Eve a Santa Claus condom is presented. This is red with a white rim and a white bobble on top.]

Or, this one?

[UK Patent Application No. GB2283412. A chair for coition. Provides support for two people, one astride the other. In one preferred form, the seat vibrates.]

Did the Jains of India, so solicitous of all forms of life, come up with this one?

[UK Patent Application No. GB2272154. A ladder to enable spiders to climb out of a bath. It comprises a thin flexible latex rubber strip which follows the inner contours of the bath. A suction pad 5 is attached to the top edge of the bath.]

Those in India who always talk about Appropriate Technology for Third World Nations, did they ever come up woth some thing like this?

[UK Patent Application No. GB2060081. A horse-powered minibus. The horse walks along an endless conveyor belt treadmill in the middle of the bus. This drives the wheels via a gearbox. A thermometer under the horse`s collar is connected to the vehicle instrument panel. The driver can signal to the horse using a handle, which brings a mop into contact with the horse.]

The Spirit of Innovation truly belongs to the West!

[UK Patent Application No. GB2283412. A chair for coition. Provides support for two people, one astride the other. In one preferred form, the seat vibrates.]


that sounds like ultimate laziboy chair.:)

sorry for joining in late into this debate where-ever it is going...
I have a simple question to ask..

We have heard kerry and Bush.....

Earlier kerry was flipflopping, now he has made it clear that his ways to go at war with Iraq would be different from Bush....

However both agree that the Iraq war was a correct decision, they disagree on the methodology..........

anyway here a wise guy said that outsourcing is a mere election issue, nothing is gonna move.........in other words Bush and Kerry are both sides of the same coin and putting a big show..........
otherwise American policies are nothing to do with elections....


My response excuse me........!

Well may be you are right about the foreign policy, but `outsourcing ` is a domestic policy issue and its gonna stay there...... Kerry has made ``American Jobs` to be one of the key election issues.....

So guys, if kerry is elected, I shall ask Indian friends to better say good bye to million dollar jobs falling in the laps of their proud middle class.........

But as one wise guy said, how can you stop the outsourcing phenomenon,,,,maybe he was referring to law of economics which suggest that it is impossible and impracticle making outsourcing a non issue basically....

Well then kerry`s economic team sucks......

So friends, I would like to ask what is the difference between Bush and Kerry......in the real sense......

One who fliflops and one who doesn`t......

When stakes are high, one tends to be a risk averser not risk taker...and for Indians the risks are high so they better contemplate hard whom to vote.....

as far as Pakistan is concerned, it really doesn`t matter who comes.......whether americans select flipflop or flat..........Pakistan remains a key ally

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harimou:
Inventions like these would certainly come handly when the west loses its competitive edge in other goods and services:).

one thing that kerry or bush would love to outsource is chowkidari of baghdad. pakistan should thank india that this was rejected outright by india when paki generals were contemplating it about a year back. had india shown any inclination, GHQ would surely have one-upped and sent a big contingent ``tej-chal`` on $3000 per-man-month stipend and that mistake would have been huge that even HH pre. musharaf could not have wiggled out of. so pls send a thank you note with langada mangoes to pres. kalam for iftar.

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arjun_m:
I hope that the Indian military people are aware that the performance of the patriots during the first gulf war did not match its hype. According to well informed critics, their real performance was quite poor as opposed to first reported by the US.
...but knowing that these people were prepared to purchase non-existent weapons from a non-existent firm, as per tehelka, one cannot be too certain!

Ref nikki7777 #51

[Who is the creator of Pentium chip (needs no introduction as 90% of
the today`s computers run on it)?]

About 5,000 Intel engineers who had worked on the Intel 8086, 80286, 80386 and 80486 chips and who did the chip design on the Pentium. Vinod Dham was the project manager who was kissing a$$ whenever there was a schedule slip-up because his a$$ was on the line.

#54 by dost-mittar

[I hope that the Indian military people are aware that the performance of the patriots during the first gulf war did not match its hype. According to well informed critics, their real performance was quite poor as opposed to first reported by the US.]

That was in 1990. The Patriots have since been upgraded and according to some weapon analysts, it is now much better.

#46 by mamoon

[So guys, if kerry is elected, I shall ask Indian friends to better say good bye to million dollar jobs falling in the laps of their proud middle class.........]

Another Paki wet dream!! Unlike in the subcontinent, in the US, it is economics that dictates politics and not the other way round.

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Author`s suggestion that Bush/republicans are good for Pakistan and/or India is based on flawed assumptions.

Bush has done nothing except burn money in non-productive persuits. These 100 billio dollars could have been much better spent in promoting research in alternate energy sources, medicine and agriculture in arid lands. Possiblity of agriculture in arid Sahara and arabian peninsula would have reduced dependence of population of those counteries on oil income that is controlled by few families. Any reduction in dependence on oil would have also reduced influence of fanatic arab nations and the royal families.
US could have much better controlled Iraq without going to war.

Policies followed by Bush have convinced every nation on earth that only deterrence against US is to get nuclear weapons as soon as possible.

Bush/USA will favor Pakistan as long as they have some use for Pakistan. After that they will not hesitate using it as a testing/training ground for new troups and weapon systems.

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