ijaz gul October 17, 2004
#17 Posted by yasirz on October 19, 2004 5:51:40 pm
Pepsi piyo!!!....i havent heard any complaints abt that anywhere :) except maybe the high pesticide levels found in indian pepsi sometime back(any indian bashinday in here who can confirm that?Not sure)
Its bottled water..sort of...
doublec : I guess youll find out eventually if its imported or refilled tap water :) just kiding...i suggest taking a close look at the labelling and the way its packaged.Dont worry youll be fine.
Its bottled water..sort of...
doublec : I guess youll find out eventually if its imported or refilled tap water :) just kiding...i suggest taking a close look at the labelling and the way its packaged.Dont worry youll be fine.
#16 Posted by wahi_to on October 19, 2004 12:33:33 pm
yeh ijaz gul ne to badi mushkil me daal diya:
nal ka paani - not OK
bottle ka paani - not OK
boring ka paani - not OK
nadi ka paani - not OK
are paani peeni ke liye karokoram jaaye kya?
nal ka paani - not OK
bottle ka paani - not OK
boring ka paani - not OK
nadi ka paani - not OK
are paani peeni ke liye karokoram jaaye kya?
#15 Posted by nikki7777 on October 19, 2004 10:47:50 am
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#14 Posted by DoubleC on October 19, 2004 10:00:27 am
yasirz,
Thanks for the info. Boiled water was always an option. Always used boiled water when in Khi.
I`ll be there for a month and taking water is not an option. Can the bottles at KHI duty free be trusted as being imported and not refills?
Thanks
Thanks for the info. Boiled water was always an option. Always used boiled water when in Khi.
I`ll be there for a month and taking water is not an option. Can the bottles at KHI duty free be trusted as being imported and not refills?
Thanks
#13 Posted by ijaz_gul on October 19, 2004 6:42:00 am
Just as a case of national pride, water plants designed by us are operating in Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Malaysia and now Brunei. The entire feasibilities and engineering designs are made in Pakistan. We have poineered the non chemical technologies of treating and conditioning water for any concievable use.
www.ecotechintlinc.com
water-technology.net/environment
It is a pity that the gangs leave no space for others to operate. Chemical mafia is another big culprit. Same is the case for the entire third world.
Pakistan has some of the best fresh water aquafiers in the world, some pre historic, once the tetonic plates clashed to form the Himalayas and the Korakorams.
Forever an optimist
Cheerios
www.ecotechintlinc.com
water-technology.net/environment
It is a pity that the gangs leave no space for others to operate. Chemical mafia is another big culprit. Same is the case for the entire third world.
Pakistan has some of the best fresh water aquafiers in the world, some pre historic, once the tetonic plates clashed to form the Himalayas and the Korakorams.
Forever an optimist
Cheerios
#12 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on October 19, 2004 12:04:21 am
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#11 Posted by veeresh on October 18, 2004 10:54:51 pm
Ijaz & NHK & Temporal & Tahmed32 . . . the business of bad water is another true sad fact. Arsenic and fluoride, in addition to other pollutants, is causing havoc with groundwater in many parts of India, so this is no longer only an urban worry here either.
Some element of success is being observed in places where rain-water harvesting using traditional and modern techniques seem to be working. Both in riverine and desert areas. There is some good information on this subject on the CSE and TERI websites.
The bigger issues here have to deal with the (frightening) social dynamics of ``control`` over clean water. I presume it is similar in Pakistan?
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Yasser & Omar - how can you permit such an anti-Pakistan article on The Chowk? I mean, this has to be the bestest water from the Modern Democratic Liberal Progressive Pakistan, where everyone and their water has equal rights regardless of religion, caste, creed, gender... I think you should take out another petition, write an editorial, demand a banning and ``do the mutha-mulla``. At the very least Omar should speak about just desserts in deserts before deserting sweet brownies at Hot Spots?
Some element of success is being observed in places where rain-water harvesting using traditional and modern techniques seem to be working. Both in riverine and desert areas. There is some good information on this subject on the CSE and TERI websites.
The bigger issues here have to deal with the (frightening) social dynamics of ``control`` over clean water. I presume it is similar in Pakistan?
+++
Yasser & Omar - how can you permit such an anti-Pakistan article on The Chowk? I mean, this has to be the bestest water from the Modern Democratic Liberal Progressive Pakistan, where everyone and their water has equal rights regardless of religion, caste, creed, gender... I think you should take out another petition, write an editorial, demand a banning and ``do the mutha-mulla``. At the very least Omar should speak about just desserts in deserts before deserting sweet brownies at Hot Spots?
#10 Posted by yasirz on October 18, 2004 10:30:25 pm
dear doublec....having been in a similar situation i suggest you stick to boiled tap water.That worked out the best for me.My cousin has however gotten sick on nestle bottled water.So the next time she visits i think she`s going to pack a few dozen bottles of aqua fina with her! Depressing but true
But if you`re still unsure i suggest you go to a duty free(khi i know not sure abt lahore)...they usually carry imported mineral water.
good luck!
p.s: out of sheer stupidity i drank kacha paanee at a friends place, later that night ended up emptying the contents of my stomach on ammi`s new carpet.:)oops
But if you`re still unsure i suggest you go to a duty free(khi i know not sure abt lahore)...they usually carry imported mineral water.
good luck!
p.s: out of sheer stupidity i drank kacha paanee at a friends place, later that night ended up emptying the contents of my stomach on ammi`s new carpet.:)oops
#9 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on October 18, 2004 9:50:38 pm
Ejaz
Good article. I am thinking of those who go for miles on foot just to get Water.
NHK
#8 Posted by DoubleC on October 18, 2004 5:53:36 pm
Ijaz,
You scared the living daylights out of me. I plan to vist Pakistan next month after many years) and was informed that i should use Nestle water and i will be ok, but now youare telling me that it does not serve its puorpose...i.e. causing dehydration.
So what should i do,?
You scared the living daylights out of me. I plan to vist Pakistan next month after many years) and was informed that i should use Nestle water and i will be ok, but now youare telling me that it does not serve its puorpose...i.e. causing dehydration.
So what should i do,?
#7 Posted by ijaz_gul on October 18, 2004 12:05:49 pm
Temporal,
PSQCA operates under the Ministry of Science and Technology and so does Pakistan Council for Research in Water Resources, (PCRWR). It is the PCRWR that has the most elaborate and modern testing equipment. The tests were carried out by them and published on their website. Please see this link.
http://www.pcrwr.gov.pk/wq04_introduction.htm
No manafaturers carry the Logo of PSQCA. Even if they do it does not matter and the kickbacks are too tempting. It pays more to have a water bottling plant than a CNG Station.PSQCA consider PCRWR as a rival, infringing on their domain and turf.
The only bottle that can rate them is PCRWR. Lets see how long it will take it to become a nuisance like the PMDC and PEC.
My email is:
ijaz_gul@yahoo.com
Tahmed
People do develope some short term resistance but it all ends up in life expectancy and various sicknesses. Ultimately, there is no resistance.
Tablets are deriatives that oxygenate the water with chlorine etc.They kill aerobic bacteria and not the anaerobic. There is yet a third called faculative that thrives in eother condition. Viruses like Pratoza and crypstopodium need a very long contact time and are not killed by most of these tablets unless the exposure is prolonged.There is also the iron bacteria that comes alive on contact with air.
hamidm2
Boiling water removes the temporary hardness ie the calcium and magnesium which is good for the body. It also kills all bacteria and removes chlorine from water. At the same time, it concentrates the permanent hardness like the sulphates and chlorides and increases the concentration of arsenics and nitrites etc which are poison. Never boil your water in Pindi as the nitrites are very high. People in Lahore due to the high arsenic content should not boil their water.
Sorry, the plant at 502 workshop is a hotbed of bacterial activity. The filter beds are not optimised and the UV steriliser is ineffective.
I suggest that you drop two tea spoons of bleach liquid everytime you fill your underground tank. This will kill most bacteria and viruses. Thereafter, use a good kitchen filter like the GOLD Brand of So Safe. Make sure that the UV tube is made in USA and not Chinese. Just dont rely on these substandard plants. The only effective plants rae installed at the Army Public School for Boys and girls in LalKurti, but they may not allow you to fill.
As regards municipal lines, they pass through shit.
WARNING
By the way, Nestle Brand pure water or any water produces as pure (Reverse Osmosis) is harmful for kids as it carries too little sodium and kids may go in shock.
Cheerios
PSQCA operates under the Ministry of Science and Technology and so does Pakistan Council for Research in Water Resources, (PCRWR). It is the PCRWR that has the most elaborate and modern testing equipment. The tests were carried out by them and published on their website. Please see this link.
http://www.pcrwr.gov.pk/wq04_introduction.htm
No manafaturers carry the Logo of PSQCA. Even if they do it does not matter and the kickbacks are too tempting. It pays more to have a water bottling plant than a CNG Station.PSQCA consider PCRWR as a rival, infringing on their domain and turf.
The only bottle that can rate them is PCRWR. Lets see how long it will take it to become a nuisance like the PMDC and PEC.
My email is:
ijaz_gul@yahoo.com
Tahmed
People do develope some short term resistance but it all ends up in life expectancy and various sicknesses. Ultimately, there is no resistance.
Tablets are deriatives that oxygenate the water with chlorine etc.They kill aerobic bacteria and not the anaerobic. There is yet a third called faculative that thrives in eother condition. Viruses like Pratoza and crypstopodium need a very long contact time and are not killed by most of these tablets unless the exposure is prolonged.There is also the iron bacteria that comes alive on contact with air.
hamidm2
Boiling water removes the temporary hardness ie the calcium and magnesium which is good for the body. It also kills all bacteria and removes chlorine from water. At the same time, it concentrates the permanent hardness like the sulphates and chlorides and increases the concentration of arsenics and nitrites etc which are poison. Never boil your water in Pindi as the nitrites are very high. People in Lahore due to the high arsenic content should not boil their water.
Sorry, the plant at 502 workshop is a hotbed of bacterial activity. The filter beds are not optimised and the UV steriliser is ineffective.
I suggest that you drop two tea spoons of bleach liquid everytime you fill your underground tank. This will kill most bacteria and viruses. Thereafter, use a good kitchen filter like the GOLD Brand of So Safe. Make sure that the UV tube is made in USA and not Chinese. Just dont rely on these substandard plants. The only effective plants rae installed at the Army Public School for Boys and girls in LalKurti, but they may not allow you to fill.
As regards municipal lines, they pass through shit.
WARNING
By the way, Nestle Brand pure water or any water produces as pure (Reverse Osmosis) is harmful for kids as it carries too little sodium and kids may go in shock.
Cheerios
#6 Posted by HaroonEllahi on October 18, 2004 11:04:07 am
LEt me send this article to the head of Nestle in Pakistan. he`ll get shock waves. kya bat hai?
#5 Posted by hamidm2 on October 18, 2004 11:04:06 am
ijaz,
.... a few questions:
1. what about boiling water at home ? ..... a lot of people in pakistan do this
2. What about the ``clean`` water supplied by the government at some points ?... for example, there is a ``plant`` near 502 workshop in pindi? ...... is this for real? i know a lot of people who claim that this water is just as good as nestle....
3. Is it possible to put some stuff in your underground tank to treat well/city water and get rid of the more lethal stuff?
.... a few questions:
1. what about boiling water at home ? ..... a lot of people in pakistan do this
2. What about the ``clean`` water supplied by the government at some points ?... for example, there is a ``plant`` near 502 workshop in pindi? ...... is this for real? i know a lot of people who claim that this water is just as good as nestle....
3. Is it possible to put some stuff in your underground tank to treat well/city water and get rid of the more lethal stuff?
#4 Posted by tahmed32 on October 18, 2004 7:49:14 am
Ijaz: Interesting article. I read an article on bottled water in the US, and it appears that in fact tap water may in fact be a better bet: tap water comes from public purification plants which are routinely inspected by independent inspectors, while bottled water is checked much less frequently by independent inspectors.
I wonder how much resistance people develop to water-borne disease people develop in Pakistan. Living in countries with better quality of water, the antibodies that build this resistance are of course lost and so one needs to be careful for the first 3-4 weeks I think. I found boiled water was adequate. The place I worked at used to give travellers to developing countries water purification tablets (which I would carry, but never bothered to use).
I wonder how much resistance people develop to water-borne disease people develop in Pakistan. Living in countries with better quality of water, the antibodies that build this resistance are of course lost and so one needs to be careful for the first 3-4 weeks I think. I found boiled water was adequate. The place I worked at used to give travellers to developing countries water purification tablets (which I would carry, but never bothered to use).
#3 Posted by temporal on October 18, 2004 6:28:31 am
ijaz:
…good article
1: does PSQCA (Pakistan Standards and Quality Control Authority) which is a member of geneva based ISO (International Standards Organsiation) tests and rates these bottled and mineral waters sold in Pakistan?
2: do these manufacturers carry the PSQCA logo?
3: is there another independent body that rates them?
rgds,
t
ps: i asked nazar for your email addy but he forwarded me your cell number…can you email me please? temporal3@gmail.com
…good article
1: does PSQCA (Pakistan Standards and Quality Control Authority) which is a member of geneva based ISO (International Standards Organsiation) tests and rates these bottled and mineral waters sold in Pakistan?
2: do these manufacturers carry the PSQCA logo?
3: is there another independent body that rates them?
rgds,
t
ps: i asked nazar for your email addy but he forwarded me your cell number…can you email me please? temporal3@gmail.com
#2 Posted by twintopaz on October 18, 2004 6:03:58 am
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