Beena Sarwar October 23, 2004
#12 Posted by Romair on October 24, 2004 3:27:50 pm
There is something about this whole Iraq thing that doesn`t quite add up.
I visit my local sheesha place and have a discussion with its Christian Iraqi owner. He says things were ok in Iraq, under Saddam, as long as one didn`t get too involved in politics. Saw the interview of an Iraqi architect, and he said the same thing.
I remember when Pakistanis used to line up in queues to get work visas to Iraq. Anyone who got one, would never return. Obviously, it must have been a better place to live than Pakistan, circa pre-1990. Then during the first Gulf war, Pakistanis returned to Pindi, from Iraq, with their oversized cars, and with tears in their eyes. Quite unhappy in having to leave Iraq.
I also remember the time when Saddam was a good guy and an American ally that Rummy used to shake hands with. Americans gave him everything from chemical weapons material to the latest brand of Levis. He even had Frenchies as his personal surgeons.
So how bad really was Iraq, under Saddam Hussain? I know it got really bad, after the first Gulf war. But how bad was it before the Americans started messing around in the area. And before sanctions were imposed on Iraq?
Was it as bad as it is today? I knew a lot of Pakistanis ready to migrate to Iraq back then. While there are hardly any willing to go there now. And the Margaret Hassans of the world, worked comfortably during Saddam`s rule.
Maybe everything will work out for Iraq. The Americans got rid of Saddam. And the resistance will get rid of the Americans. And the maulvis will take over. It is going to be really interesting watching the US President welcoming an Ayotollah into office. Who would have thought a bearded Sistani in Iraq could ruin Bush`s elections by raising on hand and ordering 1 million Iraqis onto the street, anytime he wanted. And who would have thought a uniformed Musharraf could save Bush`s election by catching OBL.
The world works in strange ways...........
I visit my local sheesha place and have a discussion with its Christian Iraqi owner. He says things were ok in Iraq, under Saddam, as long as one didn`t get too involved in politics. Saw the interview of an Iraqi architect, and he said the same thing.
I remember when Pakistanis used to line up in queues to get work visas to Iraq. Anyone who got one, would never return. Obviously, it must have been a better place to live than Pakistan, circa pre-1990. Then during the first Gulf war, Pakistanis returned to Pindi, from Iraq, with their oversized cars, and with tears in their eyes. Quite unhappy in having to leave Iraq.
I also remember the time when Saddam was a good guy and an American ally that Rummy used to shake hands with. Americans gave him everything from chemical weapons material to the latest brand of Levis. He even had Frenchies as his personal surgeons.
So how bad really was Iraq, under Saddam Hussain? I know it got really bad, after the first Gulf war. But how bad was it before the Americans started messing around in the area. And before sanctions were imposed on Iraq?
Was it as bad as it is today? I knew a lot of Pakistanis ready to migrate to Iraq back then. While there are hardly any willing to go there now. And the Margaret Hassans of the world, worked comfortably during Saddam`s rule.
Maybe everything will work out for Iraq. The Americans got rid of Saddam. And the resistance will get rid of the Americans. And the maulvis will take over. It is going to be really interesting watching the US President welcoming an Ayotollah into office. Who would have thought a bearded Sistani in Iraq could ruin Bush`s elections by raising on hand and ordering 1 million Iraqis onto the street, anytime he wanted. And who would have thought a uniformed Musharraf could save Bush`s election by catching OBL.
The world works in strange ways...........
#11 Posted by friend on October 24, 2004 2:51:59 pm
Beena,
You write in concluding paragraph of this article
``The rising anti-U.S. sentiment around the world is fuelled by US high-handedness; if allowed to continue unchecked, it will only lead to more ‘terrorism’ and make Westerners in general more unsafe. ``
Are you trying to somehow justify the plight of Margaret Hassan? Look at the face of this poor victim

What is provocation to Iraqi terrorists, freedom fighters or whosoever they are? how did this poor lady provoked them?
Do these ``freedom fighters`` realise that they are loosing any sympathy for their cause? It would be prudent for them to consider using one of the Gandhi`s tactic. Of asking one of their sympathasizer in USA to just do a fast unto death.. That single act will perhaps do more for Iraqi cause than killing of thousands Margaret Hassan...
You write in concluding paragraph of this article
``The rising anti-U.S. sentiment around the world is fuelled by US high-handedness; if allowed to continue unchecked, it will only lead to more ‘terrorism’ and make Westerners in general more unsafe. ``
Are you trying to somehow justify the plight of Margaret Hassan? Look at the face of this poor victim

What is provocation to Iraqi terrorists, freedom fighters or whosoever they are? how did this poor lady provoked them?
Do these ``freedom fighters`` realise that they are loosing any sympathy for their cause? It would be prudent for them to consider using one of the Gandhi`s tactic. Of asking one of their sympathasizer in USA to just do a fast unto death.. That single act will perhaps do more for Iraqi cause than killing of thousands Margaret Hassan...
#10 Posted by aquaris on October 24, 2004 12:50:11 pm
LOL .... Yes Fighting they have..... Every where in every nook and corner of their countries....
Chance....??? ................. its still left to chance...??....... !!!!
#9 Posted by Ralph on October 24, 2004 12:48:45 pm
M.B.Z.Isphahani #6
Where is the Indian army taking any ``fasting Muslim`s`` oil for free? Do you stand behind your statements? Or do you just use lies to arouse people`s emotions?
I am certain you have given more to India, America, and all non Muslims than Margaret Hasan ever gave to Iraq and Muslims. You have also suffered more everyday in India and America than what the good lady Margaret Hasan might be undergoing now. Given your cultural/religious background, the history of `your people,` I understand all that.
I want to know where the Indian army is taking ``Muslim oil`` for free?
Where is the Indian army taking any ``fasting Muslim`s`` oil for free? Do you stand behind your statements? Or do you just use lies to arouse people`s emotions?
I am certain you have given more to India, America, and all non Muslims than Margaret Hasan ever gave to Iraq and Muslims. You have also suffered more everyday in India and America than what the good lady Margaret Hasan might be undergoing now. Given your cultural/religious background, the history of `your people,` I understand all that.
I want to know where the Indian army is taking ``Muslim oil`` for free?
#8 Posted by oppressed on October 24, 2004 12:48:44 pm
What is more civilized about bombing and killing women and children from the skies or thru weapons of mass destruction which the western powers have and the iraqis and afghans did not... I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE WE HAVE PEOPLE AMONGST US WHO BELIEVE SO.
#7 Posted by hamidm2 on October 24, 2004 7:20:37 am
beena,
..... i know it is hard t think on an empty stomach, but after iftar do take off your foggy glasses, put aside your hurt third-world feelings, and take a good look at raeality .........
......... afghanistan just had its first elections ever and alawi is a much better man than any of the arab goons in his neighborhood ....... the people of afghanistan and iraq finally have a fighting chance (no pun intended) to join the civilized world .........
..... i know it is hard t think on an empty stomach, but after iftar do take off your foggy glasses, put aside your hurt third-world feelings, and take a good look at raeality .........
......... afghanistan just had its first elections ever and alawi is a much better man than any of the arab goons in his neighborhood ....... the people of afghanistan and iraq finally have a fighting chance (no pun intended) to join the civilized world .........
#6 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on October 24, 2004 6:11:14 am
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#4 Posted by Ralph on October 23, 2004 11:42:16 pm
Dear M.B.Z.Isphahani #2
That was a classic. This is an article about a lady who has been abducted, hopefully to be released.
You have got 1 billiion Muslims in your post. You have got Americans. You threw in the Isralis, Indians. For some reason you left out Pakistanis :)
Oil is there. Insult is there. Chechnya is there. Oil is being taken free. :)
Holy Ramdan. Fasting Mulims. No care for the Muslims.
The abducted lady matters in that she is here but may be gone. Oil hungry world, taking `Muslim` oil `free` through `armies`
LOL...I am beginning to understand the masses, and why they do what they do.
Hats off to you, Sir. You have as much magic in your words as any priest or prophet ever did.
That was a classic. This is an article about a lady who has been abducted, hopefully to be released.
You have got 1 billiion Muslims in your post. You have got Americans. You threw in the Isralis, Indians. For some reason you left out Pakistanis :)
Oil is there. Insult is there. Chechnya is there. Oil is being taken free. :)
Holy Ramdan. Fasting Mulims. No care for the Muslims.
The abducted lady matters in that she is here but may be gone. Oil hungry world, taking `Muslim` oil `free` through `armies`
LOL...I am beginning to understand the masses, and why they do what they do.
Hats off to you, Sir. You have as much magic in your words as any priest or prophet ever did.
#3 Posted by Ralph on October 23, 2004 11:42:16 pm
``Nato Warsaw Indian Army israeli and royal Japanese army seem to have
been hooked up for free oil supply of Iraq Baku chechnya.``
Mr. Isphahani
Where is the Indian Army ``hooked up for free oil supply of Iraq Baku chechnya?``
(And how would that be related to the abduction of a lady who has been serving that country for 30 years?)
Do you keep any kind of morals at all?
been hooked up for free oil supply of Iraq Baku chechnya.``
Mr. Isphahani
Where is the Indian Army ``hooked up for free oil supply of Iraq Baku chechnya?``
(And how would that be related to the abduction of a lady who has been serving that country for 30 years?)
Do you keep any kind of morals at all?
#2 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on October 23, 2004 8:51:24 pm
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#1 Posted by halur on October 23, 2004 7:39:57 pm
Osama Bin Laden declared war on the west. The west is not a decadent society, like Osama and his active and passive supporters think it is. When roused and threatened, the West can be ferocious. Ask the japanese.
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