Altaf Hussain Visits India: His Keynote Speech

#56 by Mantolives

[..however, you didn`t follow the context of the discussion as usual. If you had, you would have done the decent thing, and condemned ``friend`` for bringing up my mom in this manner and proved me otherwise... instead you resorted to respond to defend your country... You talk about scoring points... I suppose bringing up other peoples` parents is a better way of scoring points eh....]

And now, you will tell me what points I must respond to and what not to?

First, you brought Veeresh`s personal life into the discussion, and friend went a step ahead by bringing in your mom. How you both fight it out is none of my business, but remember, ``what goes comes around``, so think twice before discussing someone else`s personal life on a forum.

Anyways, why don`t you admit that you goofed up big time on the literacy issue?

#55 by Mantolives

[I don`t draw this distinction... ]

Well yes, you do. You call yourselves an ``indigenous`` Pakistani, implying that the others are non-native.

[As for your logic... then clearly something is really wrong with your country that keeps inviting criminals right and listening to and believing their sermons as the gospel of the truth.]

And by your logic, are we to assume something is seriously wrong with Pakistan because Dawood Ibrahim has been accorded state patronage and lives like a king in Clifton, Karachi? No, this is not a rumor, but has been written about by none other than a Paki, Ghulam Hasnain of the Newsline, for which the poor man was abducted and tortured by the ISI for 3 days. If you want to read the article, let me know.

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MQM is in power for last 15 years, and they complain about the govrnment of Pakistan.
Karchi is the richest city in pakistan, yet these MQM soldiers complain about lack of oppurtunities. After the partition, these muhajir hold 90% of federal secretaries job, and yet they complain for net getting job. One will hardly find any muhajir in lowpaid job army job. They put down hard working pathans and think of punabi as uneducated people. They belong to one of the most violent part in the country. MQM come into being on the basis o language, which makes them a racsist part. Delivering sweet speches in india would not make MR. ALTAF an angel. I wonder how people of such radical views hijack thousands of people?
Interestingly, guy has a solution for kashmir too. He is a know-it-all person!!!
I think Altaf Hussain is racist, oppurtunist, and is responsible for many innocent people in karachi. He is a parasite since he live lavishly on other people`s money. I think he should be shipped to land of his forefathers, and he can live a happy life over there. Just one advice, ````Dont move to gujrat````

Yasser/55 & others . . . it is my take that our intellectuals and our peaceniks and our other ``upper classes`` (read - colonial baggage) have been ``talking`` to each other for the past 57 years.

SO now, if we in India are speaking with Musharaf (track record - Kargil, Taliban, bleeding Kashmir, SGS/`71 East Bengal etcetc) and Altaf Hussain (track record Karachi/MQM) and whichever hard core Deobandi/Barelvi drives across in huge SUVs with black windows (track record Sunni vs Shia) . . . well so be it.

For far too long have Indo-Pak relationships lived in this cosy world of poets and thinkers in their drawing rooms. Time to get on the streets.

That`s also called, by the way, ``democracy``.

However, when Altaf says that he & his brethren want to ``come back``, well . . .

labyrinth1: Once again, I agree with some aspects of your post and disagree with other parts.

``But what we call Bhata is called ` Jigga Tax` in Punjab , its still be practiced by PML members and has been a practice ever since .``

Jigga tax is practiced only in Sultan Rahi movies. No where else. The concept of Bhatta at a street level, by members of a political party, is unique to MQM. Perhaps MQM of old, and not the new MQM.

``if you look at the two feudral parties ( PML and PPP in whatever form they are in now either Q , P , N or P P ) there leaders had used ` plea bargained ` with NAB - so in the world where we have to choose LESSER EVIL``

Rest assured, I am no fan of PPP or PML. You are completely correct about them. The interests of the leaders of these two parties are completely counter to the interests of the middle class of Pakistan. Hence, they will never let the middle class rise (not even in their own parties), because such a rise will mean an automatic end of feudalism and thus an end to the power of PML and PPP leaders. If the middle class of Pakistan ever gets into power, people like Benazir, Zardari, Amin Fahim, Leghari, Faisal Saleh, (and the rest of PPP and PML leadership) will have to work 9-5 jobs like the rest of us. And that is the last thing they want to do.

I also agree with what you are saying about lesser evil. Given a choice between MQM, PPP, and PML, I would vote for MQM. But only because, it is a lesser evil, and can be reformed. Despite its militant leadership, its interests lie in the same direction as the interests of the middle class of Pakistan.

``Altaf Hussein I admit doesn`t got the personality like Imran Khan or his Style of Speech is not like JFK but who cares ? He is from Middle Class``

Just like BB is the biggest problem the PPP has, similarly Altaf Hussain is the biggest problem MQM has. Anytime people become Presidents for life, they destroy their institutions and parties. PPP`s agenda is quite good. But its leadership is pathetic and will never allow even its own poor workers to come to the top. MQM has a good agenda also. In addition, it allows everyday folk to come to the top (upto MNA). However, its very top leadership is now involved in too many cases related to violence and murder etc. (which in my opinion, are worse than corruption).

MQM was a great hope for Pakistani politics, at one time. And if it has reformed itself, as you say, then it may again become a hope. However, I have serious doubts about it reforming itself, as long as it doesn`t change its top leadeship on a regular basis.

friend#39,40:
These are very disappointing posts. I had presumed that Indians show a greater degree of respect for women. You have proved me wrong!

First of all I would like you all not to declare anyone specially us patriotic or a true Pakistani, we (MQM) don’t need anyone’s STAMP OF PATRIOTISM

fasialuno : you must be from Haqiqe ( created by Rangers Intel) - anyway let me answer you questions :
you seem to be disillusioned by PTV -
you asked :
1-name one good thing their party has done for the citizens of Karachi?
Representation of Karachites ( Urdu Speaking Community ) in NA and
PA - on Merit Systems of KU - giving Jobs to Urdu Speaking Community -
Restoring Sense of Partition in every walk of life - Countering Punjabi Officer
Class - Making Flyovers - Constructing Parks - giving Urdu Speaking Community
the confidence that Karachi is there city !
2- why has MQM not selected any non-muhajir candidates in Karachi?
again you are wrong , last elections two Sindi Candidates won MQM seats
one from Azizabad - in the past we fought elections on the basis on Muhajir
Quami Movement at that time obviously there was no room for non- Urdu
Speaking Person - there has been Hindus and now a Paris Person -
3- why would Altaf Hussein step down ?
because we don`t want to - ( full stop ) why can`t Bibi step down , why can`t
Nawaz step down ? why can`t Bush step down ?
I assume you still are living in some dumb`s world..

lets me more serious now ,

Mantolives , someone who don`t accept reality !

Romair ,
you mentioned Bhatta and liked it exclusively to Karachi as a product of
MQM - I agree with you and as I said a lot has changed now let me assure
you that it was some people who were using MQM`s name too so some
young misleaded members of MQM did take bhata but lot of people used
MQM`s name and fooled lot of people - the problem is corrected and
action is take on that matter - thanks for your concern -
But what we call Bhata is called ` Jigga Tax` in Punjab , its still be practiced
by PML members and has been a practice ever since . Whats important Romair
Bhai is that the highest leadership is not corrupt while if you look at the two feudral
parties ( PML and PPP in whatever form they are in now either Q , P , N or P P ) there
leaders had used ` plea bargained ` with NAB - so in the world where we have to choose
LESSER EVIL common sense would tell anyone and everyone that Bhatta ( Although
I hate this word and people who took it for whatever reason ) in such a context is less
evil - we got major leaders who robbed Billions of Dollars maybe they will get away with
it and most of them did and are proud ministers are more Patriotic or Real Pakistanis...
As far as the support of Urdu Speaking People to MQM is considered MQM`s
vote bank is always growing examples of record number of MQM representatives in NA and
PA respectively. Yes, we did lost couple of seats to MMA thanks to MMA`s Nazim
on record one of MMA`s Niab Nazim ( N. Nazimabad ) was caught by Rangers rigging -
anyhow , one of the two seats we lost is back to us on re-electoins - the other we
will secure it in next elections - right now we are more interested in winning Local
Body Elections which we will easily -
Veerish Sahib ,
Let me assue you that the people who migrated from India are pretty well
off on every walk of life - because when we see in India back at our families
who opted to stay in India just because they would get our the left over
properties are in a state of misery - no eduction - no sense what so ever -
we blong to Fatehpur SIkri and Agra - go and ask them and they still support
Pakistan Cricket Team there - anyhow , Altaf Hussain is not a great fan of India
as well - whatever India and Indians thinks MQM is a Pakistani Party and we have
had some ideological and political conflicts but that does not mean we are against
Pakistan - infact, Pakistan is in our best intrest . Pakistan has given everything
to us - we shall protect her -

Altaf Hussein I admit doesn`t got the personality like Imran Khan or his
Style of Speech is not like JFK but who cares ? He is from Middle Class ,
not a hypocrite feudral like Imran or wana JFK or one of those lslamabadis
he is a Representative of me and my community and a leader of one of the
biggest political party in Pakistan - its his ideology which counts its his
message which counts - Sindis and Balochis are proud of him - MQM
is a reality - to some sweet to some bitter - but a reality from which no one
can run - right or wrong as I said before, we are here to stay in hardcore
politics of regional and national politics -
Atleast Altaf Hussein has gutts to say that Madarsa`s are breeding Terrorists ! who would dare say that
in Pakistan ! if someone who says that he would be branded a Quaidiyani or from CIA ! think about it --
if I hurt someone`s feeling I apologize , just wanted to make some facts more clear - thank you
Ali

Pakis have the MQM as a member of their own military-sponsored national government, the MQM rules in Sindh as well and Pakis are abusing ME for pointing out this fact? Hypocrites.

btw, why didn`t someone ask Altaf Hussain whether as a member of government he is willing to grant Hindus and Sikhs the reciprocal right of return to Pakistan ? That is out of the question, of course because TNT means no need for Muslims to live with Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan, though the same Muslims come to India, declare TNT dead and demand right of return for themselves. Altaf Hussain displays quintessential Pakiness - what is mine is mine only, and what is yours, I demand a share of.

is dawoodbhai considered a muhajir?
sometime back godess of small things (i think she is hot) visited pakistan and criticised industan. is she a criminal?
considering muhajirs were elite of india (for reference watch the movie one rainy night *ing madhubala), are they better-off? if they are, partition was well worth it. but why keep harping on the point that muhajirs are well-off and well educated in pakistan? are they not darker? i think muhajirs were doing great untill banglas (the darkest) were around. please consider that once bengalis were gone, it was somewhat natural to turn attention to muhajirs, no?

and all muhajirs DONT speak urdu, so dont blame urdu dominance on them. i know for a fact that a substantial number speak gujrati, marathi and konkani.

#60

Classic...

Sadna defending Altaf Hussain... the local gangster/mobster who became a political leader because of the machivellian ``jor-tor`` of a Military Dictator (Zia-ul-Haq) for the purpose of breaking the back of true party of the people ... a.k.a. Pakistan Peoples` Party...

This is what I am talking about... a lack of consistency, honesty, integrity... substituted instead by utter shamelessness...

The guy`s party is a member of the RULING coalition government of Pakistan and rules over Sindh as well. Yet he can`t make a speech in India without Indians getting abused by Pakis? Can`t the great big army of tall fair skinned Pakis give their partner in government sufficient protection to return to Pakistan so that he can make his speeches there and leave India and Indians alone? Losers. And right of return indeed - a member of the same government which keeps killing Indians in Kashmir demands the right to live in India as well- have these people no shame?

Harish-hyd,

Everyone knows that I am not the one to bring up these stats... however, you didn`t follow the context of the discussion as usual. If you had, you would have done the decent thing, and condemned ``friend`` for bringing up my mom in this manner and proved me otherwise... instead you resorted to respond to defend your country... You talk about scoring points... I suppose bringing up other peoples` parents is a better way of scoring points eh....

disgusting...

-YLH

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Hey guys its batha time, now as your local MQM Gunda Badmash, I Order you to give me a batha or I will I wll lol I will go away lol.

And I assure you, we accept all batha`s in cash, money order, check, or credit card, and soon through the internet, though I`ve been pushing to get this through the higher uppers. Our bathas are tax deductable, (though I don`t know who pays taxes in Pakistan, they might as well get money refunded through our scheme :) and we always provide a receipt and send you a thank you letter for your generous bathas. We need internet bhatha schemes, so that when you`r busy surfing the net, the MQM Bhatta virus shows up lol. We have special rates for Punjabis, a very special rate for Yassir Hamdani :P, and nominal rates for the rest of the public. We have a direct line connection with the ISI, CIA, and Mossad in the event you want to make an inquiry. We do charge a nonrefundable Rupees 100,000,000,000.00 per second payable through indentured servitude.



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For all those of you in this audience who have demonstrated tremendous concern on either side of the aisle, let me propose to you in all fairity to the topic, that you provide me your name, number, and address and one day we can all sit down and discuss this topic like civillized human beings.

I`ve been working with our local MQM unit for a while now and I`ve never met a more jolier, brotherly, and dedicated team. If Pakistan was organized along the discipline and organization demonstrated by the MQM, we wouldn`t be kissin up to America`s ass.

#47 by Mantolives

[I suppose this is the respect of women in the Indian society... no wonder according to a report released by UNESCO Yesterday... your country had the largest number of illiterates in the world... a whopping 34% of the world`s illiterate... 23 percentage points higher than China`s contribution ... and several folds higher than Pakistan...]

Even an elementary school student will tell you that because India`s population is higher compared to Pakistan`s, it is only natural that the number of illiterates as a percentage of population is more. But you won`t bother with such trivial details, would you? Even a cursory search of the Internet will reveal the true picture, but in the hurry to score some points with the Indians, you forgot the basics. There is a couplet in Telugu which goes:

``His anger is his enemy, calmness his armor,
His joy is his heaven, sorrow his hell``

I never thought it was true until I your senseless outburst today. Never mind, just read on and eat your heart out.

India

Male Literacy Rate - 75.3%
Female Literacy Rate - 53.7%
Total Literacy Rate - 64.8%

Pakistan

Male Literacy Rate - 66.25%
Female Literacy Rate - 41.75%
Total Literacy Rate - 54%

Regarding the status of women, it is abysmal throughout the subcontinent, and that includes Pakistan. If we have the dowry problem, you have Karo Kari and the Hudood Ordinance. So there is nothing to gloat about here. My sympathies are with all of them.