Indian Troop Reduction in Kashmir: Merely Symbolic?

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mohar11 #71

``Pakis are martial people - the brave, warrior types. So they can`t stoop the bania level and deal with other countries via trade,commerce. That`s below warrior`s status. Jihad is their way of dealing with others ``

Only trading with horrible indoos is a no-no perhaps. If I am not mistaken, the idea was to spread jihad into Central Asian republics for possible regime changes and greater control over trade in Central Asia. (Dunno why jihadi ideologues get so angry about Bush doing with the US military machine in the Middle East what they themselves wanted to do with jihadi machine in Central Asia).


re banias. OK, people look down on the baniapan of selling atta daal and steel kay bartan instead of fighting. So is it really more principled to sell one`s own religion for profit to wealthy Arabs or to take money to fight wars for other people, I wonder.

Manto #64

``Kashmir is for all Kashmiris... regardless of religion, caste, creed, gender or sect.... and all of them should be part of the plebiscite... and the plebiscite should have the option of Independence``

Oye jh.a.llya, first you go ensure a plebiscite within Pakistan, have a true election, make sure that independence is an option for baluchis. pathans, NWFP, baltis, Sindhis and than start preaching..

Oye tu aaja ek din ke liye..

Manto
//...Kashmir is for all Kashmiris... regardless of religion, caste, creed, gender or sect...and all of them should be part of the plebiscite.//

No Kidding!!! You mean - all this while you pakis have been fighting jihad in Kashmir for all its peoples, not just for the muslims? You mean - you pakis are fighting jihad on behalf of hinuds, buddhists, sikhs too? Wow!!!

That`s such a great contribution towards secular humanism and pluralism. I mean - that`s huge .... and so unique in history ....... An islamic country fighting jihad to create a secular Kashmir, which will be for is for all Kashmiris, regardless of religion, caste, creed, gender or sect. .... which means muslims and kufrs will live together as equals. That`s great!!

So Yes - there should be a plebscite. All Kashmiris should take part - hindus, muslims, buddhists, sikhs ... all of them. They must separate themselves from the big bad India, and show these evil Indians how to build a pluralistic society where people of all faiths can live together.
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But wait a minute .... people of all faiths are already living together in India, since ages. India is as pluralistic and diversified as they come. So why do we need a plebscite in Kashmir, again?

sadna
//..Pakistan appears to think fomenting insurgencies and waging jihad is the appropriate leverage for all inter-country dealings...//

Pakis are martial people - the brave, warrior types. So they can`t stoop the bania level and deal with other countries via trade,commerce. That`s below warrior`s status. Jihad is their way of dealing with others

But of course - when jihad fails and backfires, the brave pakis start crawling on all fours. Just what they are doing now.

Ijaz
//...By the way 700,000 troops include the regular army,, Civil Armed forces like Rashitrya Rifles, Jammu and Kashmir units and police....//

You forgot to add ``village defense committees`` and turncoat militants (those who have defected to Indian side). That will take the number to almost 3 millions.

But never mind these pesky Indians - for some reason they get all defensive about the number of troops in Kashmir. If you pakis are sure it`s 700K, then 700K it is. Just whatever it takes to defeat Jihad.

If americans understood how jihad works - then they wouldn`t have gone to Iraq with just 140K troops. They are stupid if they think they can handle jihad with that. Daisy-cutters are good, but they only go so far.

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Heavens!!!!!!

What of my hypothesis and the yarn of troops reduction. Lets get to business and stop bragging.

By the way 700,000 troops include the regular army, Civil Armed forces like Rashitrya Rifles, Jammu and Kashmir units and police.

Cheerios

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rahulmal...

You are under some major misconceptions and misplaced superiority complexes... All I can say that you should read up more about what you choose to opine so authoritatively. it is a sad day when I have to agree with Urstruly.... but this is one of those days, when the alternative is nothing but abject surrender to your nonsense. And what is your business with the shias again? Aren`t they part of the Hurriyet Conference? I am a shia... half my family is shia... why don`t you stop talking about something you don`t know? I am sick of your double speak on the shia issue... Shias were in the forefront of the creation of Pakistan, and they will be the last people to betray Pakistan...

Kashmir is for all Kashmiris... regardless of religion, caste, creed, gender or sect.... and all of them should be part of the plebiscite... and the plebiscite should have the option of Independence... from both Pakistanis like Musharraf... and masters of double speak like you.

rahulmal #63
Interestingly it is the Indian J&K state government which says that J&K deserves a larger share of water than the Indo-Pak Indus Basin treaty grants it. In India we have inter-state river tribunals which do or do not work. We have the joining of rivers scam on the horizon which some states oppose strongly. In Pakistan, provinces appear to having a hard time making their own case for fair water sharing to their federal government. Then we come to inter-country river sharing. We have tough times ahead unless the region starts paying serious attention to resolving the coming water shortages fairly.

Pakistan appears to think fomenting insurgencies and waging jihad is the appropriate leverage for all inter-country dealings. It would be more meaningful all around if instead of fomenting violence and unrest in neighbouring regions of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh integrated local economies with neighbouring regions of India so that they can wield more influence on India. The opening of roads and routes is one big step towards this.

But military minds are unlikely to appreciate the benefits of this sort of influence because these are activities in which the military will not be in absolute control. Even for much a smaller landlocked dependent country like Afghanistan, they preferred military and not economic influence.



ballukhanji #50
That was not my post but I agree with it.

Mantolives
Where have I called Pakistan bad? I have no problem if Pakistani govt. kills people who are trying to break away from Pakistan, as they are currently doing in WANA etc. More power to them. As I explained on Unplugged, do not mention Butt boy and Bhagat Singh`s name in the same breath. Not even for the sake of the argument.

Veeresh

searching...? you have to be kidding me... if I was searching I would have posted more than 1000 articles by now...

I just happened to come across it... and it mirrored your bigotry so amazingly that I had to put it up.

John Galt...

So the extra-judicial murder of a political prisoner to you is a way to deal with ``terrorists``... and then you make all those self righteous claims? Yes we know pakistan is bad... but then we don`t make such amazing self righteous claims to democracy and human rights either.

If Maqbool Butt was a terrorist... he was following the glorious tradition of such great terrorists as Che Guevera and Bhagat Singh... Islamist insurgency has only operated in a vacuum... created by the Indians themselves... by murdering in cold blood the true Kashmiri leaders.

-YLH

Urstruly,

``Think of it as an investment in your human capital; if you do that, the return on your investment is guaranteed. ``

Your Economics is killing me :-)

Can you please explain in simple English. I really want to understand what you are trying to say.

Is investment in human capital another way of saying that we should cede Kashmir valley to you sans Hindus, Buddhists and Shias?

Are you saying we should invest more in Kashmir? Why don`t you Google this and find articles by people like Rajeev Srinivasan who have documented the money India spends on J & K.

Are you hinting at education? Do you know there is a reservation for kids from J & K in other states?

Are you talking about religious freedom, linguistic freedom...what exactly are you alluding to when you ask us to invest in human capital. And that, when you are killing kids by the thousands in sectarian violence, sending them to Jihad factories in millions, and brain-washing them wholesale into an ideology of bigotry and hatred...

Now look at the military odds. You are an educated person with all kinds of information sources at your service. You surely know that Pakistan is in no position to inflict a defeat on India. And tell me one instance where a country got on the conference table what it could not win in war.

I`m sure there is a strong lobby of people like you in Pakistan who want Kashmir, come what may. If you belong to that group, hate Hindus to the core, want to exterminate us given a chance, then don`t indulge in meaningless word mangling with me.

Go, prepare for war!!