The Poetry of Physics

#31,tahmed32:
Suffices it to say that for me you ARE a young man!
We know the situations about the planets in our solar system. They are unlivable.
The nearest star from earth other than our sun is 4 light years away. So much for the other 141 planets!!!!!!!!!!
Our rockets travel at the speed of less than 30,000miles/hr. When do you estimate will we reach the speeds of 100,000 miles/hr?!

#17,urstruly: Also singularity and malik99 to note.
Your derivation of speed of light is given below:

``[Quran 32.5] (Allah) Rules the cosmic affair from the heavens to the Earth. Then this affair travels to Him a distance in one day, at a measure of one thousand years of what you count.

It is the angels who carryout this ‘cosmic affair’. Hence in 1 day, the angels (who travel at the speed of light) will travel a distance of 1000 years of what they counted . Obviously they counted lunar years (see Arabic wording at footnote [1]). So Allah is saying that angels travels in one day the same distance that the moon travels in 1000 lunar years, that is, 12000 lunar orbits (1000 years x 12 orbits/year).``

****Note above the statement:``Obviously they counted lunar years (see Arabic wording at footnote [1])``. the note [1] is given below.****

[1]The Arabic word ``Araj`` means a man with a lame leg. In this verse, the Quran specifically uses it`s verb ``Yaruj`` which simply means a man walking on a lame leg. The Quran is describing the lame steps of this `cosmic affair` and literally says that it is `at a measure of one thousand years of what you count`. And since this verse is describing something quantitative and emphasizing the lame steps then it has to be pointing to the distance. The distance is the only thing quantitative in this case.

****WHERE IN THE NOTE ABOVE NOTE[1] IS THE LENGTH OF LUNER ORBIT DERIVABLE? IN ORDER TO DERIVE THE SAME DISTANCE FOR LUNAR TRAVEL YOU NEED TO SPECIFY THE RADIUS OF THE LUNAR ORBIT. PLEASE POINT OUT WHERE IS THE VALUE OF LUNAR ORBIT IS SPECIFIED??????

IF YOU CANNOT THEN WHOLE OF THE QUOTED ANALYSIS IS A FIB.



About this Preserved Tablet:

[Quran 85.21-22] But it is a Glorious Quran. 22 Inscribed on a Preserved Tablet.

Moslems believe that Archangel Gabriel got the Quran to their prophet from this Preserved Tablet:

[Quran 15.8-11] We only send down the angels in Truth; if they were not (in truth), no respite would they have 9 We have sent down the Message; and We will preserve it 10 We did send Messengers before you among the religious sects of the old 11 But never came a Messenger to them but they mocked him.

The Quran and all the instructions to all angels are inscribed on this Preserved Tablet. The angels were originally made of light, and the speed at which they commute to and from this Tablet turned out to be the known speed of light.

Inquirer: Response to #34

That was thorough analysis. Obviously having a physics background helped you to call the bluff. I simply cant comprehend how and why a highly educated, otherwise very analytical muslim, looses all sense of reason to go to any extent to prove that Koran contains answers to all questionsin the Universe. I think they inherently know that Islam is very weak coz all we need to do is to prove that Mohamad is Human and Islamic beliefs collapses. Same applies to Christianity. Both are dependent on the IL-Logical and Un-sound beliefs about GOD sending Prophets to Earth. That is very very thin on facts and is very `Un-natural`. That is the Achilles heel.

The advantage of Dharmic(Indic) or confucian/taoist beliefs is that they are more grounded and is not dependent on any UN-NATURAL beliefs or one single man. So thats the reason why both Christianity and Islam failed to make any Impact in India and China. Especially in India coz the Hindus though subjected to close to 800 years of foreign rule,halted the march of Islam and Christianity and defeated them once and for all. I doubt the chinese would have done it if they had been exposed to barbaric invaders for such a long time. The Chinese were lucky to be secluded for so long.

Though the Muslim mullahs and Missionaries alike claim that Dharmic faith is weak, anybody who engaged in a slightly deeper study will come out with the opposite fact . They were beaten so badly and this defeat literally halted their sweep of the Earth between themselves. Now the tiding is changed so much that there is no turning the clock back. Now as information age dawns the power of the Church and Mullahs will decline dramatically bringing a closure to the Conversion drives. The church will continue the drive as long as it continues to make a profit and there are millions dependent on the $$ coming out of the Christianity Corporation. But the writing is on the wall.

Thanks.

Inquirer: further to my previous post, I was referring to the 141 moons WITHIN the solar system identified todate. NOT to planets on OTHER stars. Even as I write this we have the Cassini-Huygens spacecraft examining Saturn and its moon Titan up close. This is not mere purposeless investigation, but with a long term view of space colonization.

The problem is not spacecraft speeds, but ignorance of what is commonplace knowledge today on your part.

Inquirer: I think, my friend, that you dont read too well either. I never said anything about colonizing the stars. Go back and read what I wrote, THEN pass judgement or offer comments.

#35,singularity:
Thanks for the review of the analysis and question presented by me.

WE NEED TO STOP EXPECTING SCIENCE FROM RELIGION AND VICE VERSA. ALL RELIGIONS WERE THOUGHT UP BY HUMANS AND DESIGNED BY HUMANS LESSER THAN THE THE ORIGINATORS. THIS HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED BY all religions EXCEPT ISLAM.

As for the comparison between Indians and Chinese, both have the documented record of living in peace and letting others do the same except the Communist regime which wants to emulate the Christian West. This in stark contrast to the records of the Sunnis as well as Shias including Hazarat Mohammad. The only minor exceptions have been the Sufis and the Ahmeddiyas (Physicist Abdus Salam was one. Nehru had invited him to India and I heard him say that he would return to United India. He died totally abandoned and denigrated in Pakistan - he returned to not to Pakistan but his village - as has been documented in Chowk discussions). Shias and Sunnis do not even recognize them as belonging to Islam Widespread illiteracy and dire poverty are the causes which sustain Islam in this totally ridiculous stance. They, most of the Islamics, are characterized by the story I gave in #30. At least in Pakistan under Musharraf there is a Human Rights Commission. Other Muslim countries do not even report such instances.

#37,tahmed32:
I thought you were not as shallow as come out to be in these two posts. You belie your father`s objectivity as you described once to me.

I have participated in Casini-Huygens rocket safety analysis. And I do think, though am not sure, 141 moons have been identified for stars other than the sun.

Since it has been established that the Earth`s moon can not support the human population of any size since 1975, no moon of solar planets is livable. Do you know the temperature beyond Mars? The temperatures beyond Jupiter are all below -100degree celsius.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT MANNED MISSIONS WERE DISCONTINUED AFTER 1975?!!!

Inquirer: You may think the earth`s moon is unlivable - however, those who are in the business of space exploration (NASA and space agencies of other nations), beg to differ with you. Thus, at least two space probes have been sent over the past couple of years as I recall looking for water on the moon - and from all indications there is very likely that there is a reservoir of frozen water on the south pole of the moon. And much thought is being given to tapping into this reservoir to establish a permanent moon base.

You are also showing a lack of imagination by saying that the moon`s of other planets are unlivable. Indeed, Europa (one of Jupiter`s moons) has been shown to be covered with ice, with perhaps an ocean of liquid water underneath it (heated by the internal core of the moon, just as the earth`s core creates liquid lava) - and again, the world`s space agencies led by NASA are spending considerable effort in exploring Europa and other moons in the solar system.

EVEN if all the efforts of the space agencies of various nations prove wrong and you prove to be correct in saying that these moons are unlivable (a very unlikely thing, imho), you ignore the fact that mankind can still harness the various assets of the solar system that I listed earlier. This would be done through remote control. And the Mars robots that I mentioned earlier - not to mention vehicles like Voyager 11 that is I think already beyond the Oort cloud and thus beyond the outer reaches of the solar system itself - have already proved this to be a viable concept. Machines can go where it is unsafe to send a human, and act as extensions of the human sensory organs, muscles, brains.

The world`s scientists are already doing things that are beyond the imagination of most people, it seems.

Inquirer: response to #39

Yep, you are right about the Chinese. Prior to Communism they have been pretty much peaceful. And they will eventually return to the roots. The entire world functions on 2 basic laws. Survival of the fittest and Natural selection both at biological and civilizational level.

So natural selection will see to that anything that is Un-natural is rooted out. Thats why Christianity, Islam, Communism will eventually be sidelined. Christinaity will continue its drive without the passion due to the $$$ left in the Christianity corporation. But as the $$ gets milked out it will slowly turn into spiritual version not much different than buddism/dharmic faiths, from which Jesus Christ learnt his trade in the first place.

And if we look at the big picture the world has generally been getting more peaceful every passing century. The increase in human population and wealth spread is proof enough. Though looking at it from the micro level, it will look as if we are going through the worst of times. Besides, without the constant churning and destruction of the old and rotten nothing new will be created. Hindus(meaning Indians, since Hindu is a geographical term) were genius in recognizing this milleniums ago in the symbolisms of Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu.

So with the advent of the resurgent India and China as economic leaders, a post they both held until about 1700, things will take a positive turn. Quoting Gita,``All that happens is for the Good``

Happy new year to Chowk readers, writers, inter-actors, and staff. May you see many more.

Mohammad Gill